I knew the Giants would somehow pull this off eventually after watching their defense shut down the Patriots in the first half. That was unprecedented; something else extraordinary was bound to happen.
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SuperBowl Predictions Thread
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I hate the Giants but Im glad I dont have to hear about how "perfect" the Pats were. Thank god. And its also a bit reassuring that the Cowboys lost to the Super Bowl champs but of course they would have gotten their asses handed to them because of how poor they were playing as of the late season.
seeing Brady on his ass on the bench and on his back was quite fun too.
congrats Giants.
seeing Brady on his ass on the bench and on his back was quite fun too.
congrats Giants.
I don't like the Pats but I hate the Giants so I was pulling for the former.
I'm kind of sick of the fact that everyone, from the supposedly "neutral" stadium to the supposedly "neutral" media was rooting for New York.
Personally, if my team isn't in it, I want the best team to win, not the best "story".
However, I will admit I was wrong - it was a bad gameplan to pass the ball 50 times against the best D-Line in the NFL with a still gimpy Tom Brady when you had a good back in Maroney.
But no congrats from me.
I don't give props to mediocre teams who "get hot at the right time" and make an "inspirational run". That's giving props to the football equivalent of what we call "hax." I believe championships should be won not by the teams that get hot in January, but by the teams that outprepare everybody else in April.
If my team (who are basically the same as the Giants in terms of talent) had made such a run, I would have rooted for them, obviously, but I also would have noted that our talent was not equal to the teams we were beating, and that would have diminished it somewhat for me.
This team is going to go away pretty quickly though; they'll be like the Panthers; they're in for a bunch of 7-9 to 8-8 seasons because they're not a particularly good team.
I'm kind of sick of the fact that everyone, from the supposedly "neutral" stadium to the supposedly "neutral" media was rooting for New York.
Personally, if my team isn't in it, I want the best team to win, not the best "story".
However, I will admit I was wrong - it was a bad gameplan to pass the ball 50 times against the best D-Line in the NFL with a still gimpy Tom Brady when you had a good back in Maroney.
But no congrats from me.
I don't give props to mediocre teams who "get hot at the right time" and make an "inspirational run". That's giving props to the football equivalent of what we call "hax." I believe championships should be won not by the teams that get hot in January, but by the teams that outprepare everybody else in April.
If my team (who are basically the same as the Giants in terms of talent) had made such a run, I would have rooted for them, obviously, but I also would have noted that our talent was not equal to the teams we were beating, and that would have diminished it somewhat for me.
This team is going to go away pretty quickly though; they'll be like the Panthers; they're in for a bunch of 7-9 to 8-8 seasons because they're not a particularly good team.
Do I think the Patriots are the best team of all time? Yes.
Do I think the game gave the Pat the credit they deserve? No.
Do I think the Giants are a better team? No.
Do I think Eli should have been ruled down on that play? Definitely.
Do I think the Patriots should be Super Bowl champs? Yep.
Do I care? Not at all.
As a Pats fan, I'm disappointed that the Pats couldn't pull off the perfect season, as I truly felt that if anyone could equal the '72 Dolphins, it is the team that lost last night.
As a football fan, though, I couldn't be happier about the show that was last night. It was without question one of the best, if not the best, game of football I have ever seen, and will go down as one of the best SuperBowls of all time. The Giants were told over and over that they couldn't beat such a dominant team. They were told that the record-setting offense would run all over them. They weren't given any credit. But you know what, they did it. I take my hat off to the Giants, congratulations.
Do I think the game gave the Pat the credit they deserve? No.
Do I think the Giants are a better team? No.
Do I think Eli should have been ruled down on that play? Definitely.
Do I think the Patriots should be Super Bowl champs? Yep.
Do I care? Not at all.
As a Pats fan, I'm disappointed that the Pats couldn't pull off the perfect season, as I truly felt that if anyone could equal the '72 Dolphins, it is the team that lost last night.
As a football fan, though, I couldn't be happier about the show that was last night. It was without question one of the best, if not the best, game of football I have ever seen, and will go down as one of the best SuperBowls of all time. The Giants were told over and over that they couldn't beat such a dominant team. They were told that the record-setting offense would run all over them. They weren't given any credit. But you know what, they did it. I take my hat off to the Giants, congratulations.
Holy shit that was amazing, I was jumping up and down.
I won't lie, this is pretty ridiculous. Just because a team is playing well, you think it takes away from all their accomplishments? This Giants team won all three playoff games ON THE ROAD, beating both the #1 and #2 seeds in the NFC. They then proceeded to upset probably the greatest offensive team in the history of the NFL, stunning the world. Did you ever think that maybe they finally started playing up to their own potential, rather than "they got hot in January"?
In a league of parity, any mediocre team can suddenly play well for a stretch, and end up a champion.
Look at the past few years.
Pittsburgh? Barely snuck into the playoffs, end up as champions. Despite having going 10-6. The Seahawks weren't all that good either, having come out of a weak NFC.
The first Patriots championship team was, according to Belichick himself, "an 8-8 team at best talentwise."
Tampa Bay was a great defense with a below-average offense. Most of the time, those teams end up 7-9 to 9-7. Yet they suddenly started forcing turnovers, making big plays, and it just went on for a 4 game stretch.
Same with the 2000 Ravens; granted, that was one of the greatest defenses of all time but again, those types of teams are 1 hit wonders because they suddenly find their defense can't win by itself. But some guy name Trent Dilfer got hot and played the best few games of his career, and he gets a championship.
Look at Georgetown v.s Villanova. Villanova won that game, yet if it were say, a 7 game series, do you honestly think Villanova would win? If the Super Bowl were a 7, 5, or even 3 games series, do you really think the Giants would win 2 of 3, let alone 3 of 5 or 4 of 7?
Today, the talent level is so close that even a seemingly unstoppable 18-0 team can get knocked off by a team that makes "just enough plays to win the game", that teams with superior skill can lose because of something going against them at the wrong time, a bad read leading to a pick, a tipped pass, a single blown coverage, etc.
Any undrafted rookie can make a big play, any 5th string WR can make a catch in a given moment. That doesn't mean they're "good", it just means they happened to do something good once out of the innumerable plays in their career. Is David Tyree suddenly going to become an 80 catch per season WR? Is Kevin Boss going to replace Shockey (assuming Shockey's healthy)?
When you compare Peyton Manning's Colts to Eli Manning's Giants, it's essentially the difference between a great team, with great players, playing great, and going all the way, and an average to above-average team, again, getting hot, getting everything to go their way, and ending up with a ring.
If the Giants play at this high level next year, and they make another deep playoff run, then yeah, I'll give them the respect they would then reserve. But to me, they're just a good team on a great run.
Look at the past few years.
Pittsburgh? Barely snuck into the playoffs, end up as champions. Despite having going 10-6. The Seahawks weren't all that good either, having come out of a weak NFC.
The first Patriots championship team was, according to Belichick himself, "an 8-8 team at best talentwise."
Tampa Bay was a great defense with a below-average offense. Most of the time, those teams end up 7-9 to 9-7. Yet they suddenly started forcing turnovers, making big plays, and it just went on for a 4 game stretch.
Same with the 2000 Ravens; granted, that was one of the greatest defenses of all time but again, those types of teams are 1 hit wonders because they suddenly find their defense can't win by itself. But some guy name Trent Dilfer got hot and played the best few games of his career, and he gets a championship.
Look at Georgetown v.s Villanova. Villanova won that game, yet if it were say, a 7 game series, do you honestly think Villanova would win? If the Super Bowl were a 7, 5, or even 3 games series, do you really think the Giants would win 2 of 3, let alone 3 of 5 or 4 of 7?
Today, the talent level is so close that even a seemingly unstoppable 18-0 team can get knocked off by a team that makes "just enough plays to win the game", that teams with superior skill can lose because of something going against them at the wrong time, a bad read leading to a pick, a tipped pass, a single blown coverage, etc.
Any undrafted rookie can make a big play, any 5th string WR can make a catch in a given moment. That doesn't mean they're "good", it just means they happened to do something good once out of the innumerable plays in their career. Is David Tyree suddenly going to become an 80 catch per season WR? Is Kevin Boss going to replace Shockey (assuming Shockey's healthy)?
When you compare Peyton Manning's Colts to Eli Manning's Giants, it's essentially the difference between a great team, with great players, playing great, and going all the way, and an average to above-average team, again, getting hot, getting everything to go their way, and ending up with a ring.
If the Giants play at this high level next year, and they make another deep playoff run, then yeah, I'll give them the respect they would then reserve. But to me, they're just a good team on a great run.
If they make "just enough plays to win the game," and thus win the game, then how did they not earn it?
The Pats were 18-0. There's no way they should've lost. But they did, and it was because the Giants played better. Bottom line. Hasn't it crossed your mind at all that the Patriots weren't really as good as they had been built up to be? Their defense is porous, and facing a decent pass rush (Ravens, Eagles, Chargers, Giants) their offense is just as human as anyone else's.
It was an upset. It happens. But if you know anything about football, you know this:
"On any given Sunday..."
If the Ravens end up winning that game on Monday Night, does that change the fact that they were awful that year?
If the Eagles ended up winning that game, does that change the fact that they were mediocre?
Now, more power to them if a team can win 4 games in a row at the most important time. That doesn't take away from the fact that they didn't play extraordinarily well (note that after the game in DC, the winning streak that got them to 6-2 was basically scrubs like the Falcons and a depleted Eagles team.) The Giants were not consistently good, from week 1 to week 19; they got good at the right time.
Again, if they go 12-4 next year with a top 5 defense and a top 10 offense, then I'll say they've arrived, and this win was more than a fluke. I thought the Panthers would be contending for SBs for years to come when they more or less outplayed the Pats in the SB and if not for that penalty by Kasay, they may well win that game.
Carolina has been quite inconsistent since.
If the Eagles ended up winning that game, does that change the fact that they were mediocre?
Now, more power to them if a team can win 4 games in a row at the most important time. That doesn't take away from the fact that they didn't play extraordinarily well (note that after the game in DC, the winning streak that got them to 6-2 was basically scrubs like the Falcons and a depleted Eagles team.) The Giants were not consistently good, from week 1 to week 19; they got good at the right time.
Again, if they go 12-4 next year with a top 5 defense and a top 10 offense, then I'll say they've arrived, and this win was more than a fluke. I thought the Panthers would be contending for SBs for years to come when they more or less outplayed the Pats in the SB and if not for that penalty by Kasay, they may well win that game.
Carolina has been quite inconsistent since.
18-1!
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Oh, right, because so many other teams went 19-0, right? I mean, they ONLY went undefeated from Week 1 right up to making the Super Bowl, but they can't be THAT good, since they lost, right?
Look, the Giants beat the Patriots. That's right, the Patriots lost the game, and I have no issues with that. What I will take issue to, though, is when people start saying that the Giants were the better team. Or that the Super Bowl showed that the Patriots were "human".
How many teams have gone undefeated right up to the Super Bowl? How many of those teams had to win 18 straight to do it? Oh, no teams have won 18 straight before? Oh, ok. It's really too bad that the Patriots are stuck being in such a huge group...
Yeah, but do you honestly think that the Patriots are proud of their season? No. Not at all. The point of a football season is to win the Super Bowl, not to win all of your games up until the Super Bowl. Go sit down.
Did you see Tom Brady playing? Even when there wasn't much pressure from the line, he still over/underthrew his receivers. When compared to his regular season, he looked pretty human.
How could the Giants not have been the better team? I'm pretty sure the a better team won last night. I'm sure the Patriots deserved to win, but the fact is they lost.
You don't seem to get it. What you're basically saying is that the Patriots should always play great and all lesser teams should always play poorly. Keep in mind that the Ravens were picked to win the Super Bowl by some experts, and if they had even an inkling of an offense, they probably win 10 games. The Eagles were the best NFC to miss the playoffs, and were almost undoubtedly better than the Bucs.
So what you're saying is since they stumbled at the beginning of the season and had some inconsistency, they didn't deserve to win the Super Bowl? What a crock of shit. Yes, they did "get good at the right time," that's why we're celebrating their victory. I don't think they "got good," I think they finally played the way they had the ability to. You're acting like some divine intervention gave them football skills that they didn't have prior.
One more reason that last year doesn't mean jackshit. It's over and in the past, and the only thing that matters is right here, right now. Past successes/failures don't guarantee future results.
Last I checked, the Patriots roster is COMPRISED of humans. Humans are not infallible. And I just want to point out that you are from Ottawa, Canada; why do you root for the Patriots?
See what makes melodius's arguement no good for me is that the winning streak is discredited as getting hot, getting the calls, getting lucky, instead of finally meshing as a team. While the losses and inconsistent play just because it was at the beginning of the season is seen as the 'real' giants team, instead of just a bad streak. [since the other is a 'good' streak]
Because really you have to judge their season as a whole, not the final coming together, not the beginning struggles.
Were the Patriots the better team for the 07-08 season as a whole? Probably.
Were the Patriots the best team at the end of the final game of the post-season? The one that they spent their whole season tryin to get to? No, the Giants outplayed them.
edit: Also did anyone hear about Fox using The Arcade Fires 'No Cars Go' without their permission? I'm curious as to how that'll end.
Because really you have to judge their season as a whole, not the final coming together, not the beginning struggles.
Were the Patriots the better team for the 07-08 season as a whole? Probably.
Were the Patriots the best team at the end of the final game of the post-season? The one that they spent their whole season tryin to get to? No, the Giants outplayed them.
edit: Also did anyone hear about Fox using The Arcade Fires 'No Cars Go' without their permission? I'm curious as to how that'll end.
That's exactly my point. Saying that this showed the Pats were humans is implying that they were incapable of ever losing, which is ridiculous.
Yes, I'm from Ottawa. I assume you are implying that I jumped on the Pats bandwagon. Well, seeing as there is no NFL in Canada, there is no "home-town" team, and so I went for a team who's style of play I enjoyed. I became a fan of the Pats the year they won their first Super Bowl, at the beginning of the season. I liked the fact that they were a defensive-first team, and didn't mind playing very aggressively, either.
Hope that clears up the fact that I'm not a random bandwagon-hopper!
I do agree with the sentiment of mediocre teams winning championships - how many years in a row has a wild card made (not to mention how many times they won) the World Series? It is not to take away from them, it is just to say that really any team can win nowadays. I do not like the disregard of regular season results in favor of playoff results in determining how great a team was. Sometimes if they lose HORRIBLY (Mavs last year...:'() then obviously they were not as good as their regular season self, probably. The Patriots losing 17-14 in a game that they were totally flat in does not take away from their success. That being said, it does not make the Giants mediocre, which is not the point of this post at all - the Giants lost Tiki Barber and improved, Eli Manning did play much better this season than in previous seasons, and the Giants' pass rush was insane.
QFT
What if pokémon tournaments weren't single-elim, would I win all of them?
For there to be "other" teams that went 19-0, there would have to be an original 19-0 team. There is none.
Sorry 'bout the size and the "owned" at the end, but...
I've seen that one before, but thanks for trying. What I really want is the skyview from the side, not the behind-the-QB angle. I'm too dumb to figure out how to rip video from wherever I want.
Oh, so now the Pats "aren't all that good" because they couldn't do what no one has ever done?
The Dolphins have done it if I remember correctly. That game was a total upset. I cried myself to sleep. ;_;
Ah, I misunderstood.
Fair enough, I guess. I suppose for someone who isn't anywhere near the main NFL market, the teams you'd have the most exposure to would be the ones playing the playoffs/Super Bowl.