NOC eli loves matrices game thread [Game Over, Town Win!]

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

Nothing that I can? I thought maybe it would be before Schia’s and boost the chance of S/S working together to see if there was a viable randed inactive boot (something Celever floated as a possibility (not in a scummy way I think)).

> Caff tosses Hydro to see if anyone bites
> Scumbuddy Schia upon seeing it doesn’t work pushes OM to save Caff

But alas it was after that push by Schia, so I think it either does nothing or slightly implicates Caff/OM S/S? But not enough where I’m like hard reading OM based on it.

im not talking about what it says about om. what does that post say about hydro

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

why do you think this? because I have a different interpretation so your rationale matters here

he understands tbz being inactive =/= tbz isnt good at mafia

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

Hi

 

[Vizh]

im not talking about what it says about om. what does that post say about hydro

O. Maybe helps clear? But not confidently.

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

hydro please let my gut feeling towncore on you be correct again we need to maintain the streak

 

[Celever]

he understands tbz being inactive =/= tbz isnt good at mafia

huh, why is that specific to realiti

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

We very much do (is psy pocketing me

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

O. Maybe helps clear? But not confidently.

my thought was it kinda has shades of the eod1 shadowpea push in cool weapon but that was led by eli/realiti wasnt it? so idk

 

[Celever]

We very much do (is psy pocketing me

if you let yourself be pocketed by that I don't quite know what to say

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

huh, why is that specific to realiti

its not. its an open criteria that happens to fit him

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

We very much do (is psy pocketing me

sadly not my gut is not telling me good things rn

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

yay

 

[Vizh]

Hydro have you read up?

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

Yes tho I’m not sure how much of it I remember

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

But yes

 

[Vizh]

Yes tho I’m not sure how much of it I remember

Do you have any like… thoughts?

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

Do you have any like… thoughts?

I will make a vibes list after I get off mobile give me a moment

 

[Aura Guardian]

Anyway I'm NGL, I was expecting to die last night (and I hate when people say this it looks like a reach for towncred lol) so I didn't do any work or analysis on the game. TBZ feels like a weird kill to me, he caught heat for his re-entry at EoD and was even stated to have scumbud potential with Caff. AG or I were the kills I was expecting, since we actually decided the vote.

On that note, was a fun D1 AG let's make a towncore

At work right now so limited in what I can say, but I'm planning to grill the OM voters when I can.

 

[HydrogenHydreigon]

Good vibes
M24
Celever
Psy
AG

Idk vibes
realiti
OM
Laurel
Vizh

Bad vibes
Schia
LS

 

[Celever]

its not. its an open criteria that happens to fit him

....OK then.

My feelings about the TBZ kill in relation to realiti is that it is a rather counter-intuitive one for scum!realiti to perform on paper. The Caff wagon is in 3 very distinct camps and phases: TBZ and realiti early relatively throwaway votes, realiti outright admitting to sheeping TBZ on it and then not showing up at deadline. M24 is the keystone who was central to the Caff vote happening, because it is that wagon having 3 votes that made AG and I take a serious look at Caff at EoD. And then AG and I were the determinates, who ultimately brought that vote to majority.

Considering that, optically, one more maf on the OM wagon and one maf outside of that is the most probable organisation of players, realiti taking out TBZ here would be him taking out someone who occupies a similar space in the game as he does rn, only TBZ was overall less townread. Which isn't a great place to be, considering M24, AG, and myself were ultimately more responsible for Caff being voted than either realiti or TBZ were. In other words, mafia!realiti killing TBZ here would basically be him taking out a lategame shield on Night 1, when there are foreseeable better options there.

It just doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. Of course, this all falls under soft WIFOM, but it is also rather material because the chance of town getting to late game without another mafia kill is not all that low.

 

[Celever]

Good vibes
M24
Celever
Psy
AG

Idk vibes
realiti
OM
Laurel
Vizh

Bad vibes
Schia
LS

please provide reasoning for these, to the best of your ability. Preferable based more on D1 behaviour and not the final wagons.

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

notable caff reads and interactions incoming

Vote: OM

missed you :)

no you don't

Vote: HH

Thank you for your contribution.

Vote: Laurel

Unvote

Vote: M24

Vote: Psy

Go on.

Unvote

Vote: M24

LS was in the deadchat discord iirc. Not unreasonable for LS to assume that scum also have a discord.

Vote: LS

Very considerate of you to check in on the thread after a PS mafia game

unlike some people

*cough* OM *cough*

I've got work atm but my current feel w/o any proper iso'ing is that Laurel, Psy, and Schia are likely town, LS is my scum candidate. Null on everyone else but I probably have enough info to get an idea (or at least an informed null) on most people.

sorry if i don't answer this one immediately, i'll get back to it

though without context, that's a weird thing to say?

THE VIBE™

MEETING GRAHAM NORTON
Psy - I reckon Psy's frantic posting is, while generally towny, NAI for Psy. They seem to be producing genuine content though so I reckon they're town. I hate their vote on me though.
Schia - Overall good content. Couple of things throw me off a bit but last time I applied a read to someone for the same reason... it was Nuxl.
Laurel - Hasn't done anything to make me think he's scum yet, so he's probably town.
realiti - Pretty good entry with the exception of maybe one post which seems a bit too brazen to be scum.

WHO THE HELL IS [PLAYER]
TBZ - one post does not do plenty.
M24 - really yet to do anything.
OM - Too little content.
HH - Too little content. Quite the handful of posts though.
Vizh - Same as HH.
AG - Different entrance to last game gives town points, but they have a ping. Never scum with Psy fwiw.

FINDING OUT YOUR FAVOURITE ENTRY THAT WON THE TELEVOTE GOT DICKED BY THE JURY
Caffeine - Sheep TBZ.
LS - This is a very slight lean. There's a couple of pings and I didn't really like the response to my vote.
Celever - Not much content, decent number of posts, I'd expect more from town!Celever.

Vote: Celever

Vizh is mostly fluff with one post that's actual content. I'll ISO their weapon mafia game when I can be arsed but idrk what to make of them atm... just like weapon mafia. HH is the same but their fluff is more succinct.

AG's entrance is different to last game from memory. It's still kinda bad since it looks like faking content but they don't feel as awkward as they did last game. There's a post which is almost a POV slip where they nearly straight up confessed you were town implying they know that you're town. Some shit in brackets later barely fixed that. I'm not as confident in an AG vote as I was last game.

UTO was wrong about me last game so it must be a towntell

I think you've been engaging in a lot of conversation that says nothing about you, which in turn says bad stuff about you. I recall this being a theme with you when you're scum.

The bit in bold looks like a POV slip which later gets exonerated by the bit in brackets but I don't 100% buy the exoneration.

please explain this logic, i so want to hear how tbz/uto could be a partnership when uto has sheeped tbz once and tbz has only posted twice.

wouldn't that make me the scum partner here?

Vote: Celever

Why must the person doing the weird shit be the person who did the weird shit last time as town?

Tbh I wanna flashwagon onto team SLAG.

Can I interest this beautiful town square into purchasing this lovely lovely wagon of fruits?

I'm iso'ing you rn and after the whole psy stuff I'm actually starting to think all these wagons suck.

Vote: LS

be the change you want to see in the world

Vote: OM

Self-preservation. I'm not gonna be super active this EoD. I'll keep an eye out for a flashwagon I support but I get the feeling that's not gonna happen.

Before I am involuntarily dipped, I'll post my conclusion on Psy:
Psy's progression on me is fine up to a point but I find their response to my response suspect. They're not currently on me but that seems to be because a different distraction came along rather than anything to do with me. I'm still incredibly torn since Psy is playing their town meta from last game but with hints of suspect stuff.

Celever's gone up in my books given their reaction to my vote and their content.

Oh and uuuh

DIBS ON HOSTING THE NEXT GAME.

fuck the two party system, vote SLAG instead

there's still enough time for a really funny HH flashwagon

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

tbz legacy reads incoming!

I think Psy is town tho

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

people caff interacts with:
hydro - one-sided, consistent scumread on hydro
psy - too much to recap
ls - scumread
ag - scumread?
om - only through votes, no direct interaction (though im not sure om has this with anyone), one-sided
m24 - i dont remember but m24 was around enough that im sure they had some discussion
celever - idk what these two were doing
laurel - sort of the same situation with om, townread
vizh - townread i think???
schia - townread

people caff doesnt interact with:
tbz
realiti

 

[Psypsypsypsypsythe]

At work right now so limited in what I can say, but I'm planning to grill the OM voters when I can.

i dont townread this. feels like the sort of schlocky posts aura made as scum in cool weapon