Acceptance, even UU can be useful if played right
Speaking as the #1 Iron Jugulis fan
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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Speaking as the #1 Iron Jugulis fan
No, that's two simple bans. A complex ban would be "Tera Blast cannot be used if the mon does not natively learn an attack of its type." Presented as a conditional statement, you'd get:
If (Doesn't learn attacks of that type) then (cannot use Tera Blast).
If there is not an "If/Then" statement to the ban, it is not a complex ban.
Acceptance, I have resigned to the fact that chomp may not truly be OU unless it gets given dragon dance or is given scale shot back.
Will certainly be really good down in UU, possibly too good
I skipped denial entirely, was in anger for a little while and will likely never leave bargaining. At least until I get distracted when amoonguss drops too. Am I the only one seeing this happen?
But seriously why the FUCK can’t it just get DD, or if GF decides to bring Megas back in the dlc
I should be clear that I didn't mean that it would be a complex ban in the technical sense of the term. But it is a simpler rule change to just ban terra then to make a series of simple bans to try to preserve it. Calling it a "'complex ban" is a misuse of terminology though.
People are talking about Chomp dropping. But are his usage stats that low? Wasn't he still like, Top 20 last time or am I misremembering?
Too many competition now after HOME and there is a new genie who wall and outspeed Chomp sadly
Watch Chomp fall to UU while Iron Treads still somehow gets the bare minimum to stay in OU.
In all seriousness. I don't think he'll drop that fast, but who knows.
In all seriousness. I don't think he'll drop that fast, but who knows.
Here is a sort of memey tailwind team I made with Ursaluna before shifu was banned. You'd need to replace shifu and it needs some work, but i was able to get to the low 1800s with it. Lead Kleavor and Tailwind --> Stone Axe if you're slower than their lead or Stone Axe --> Tailwind if you're faster. Take Down is to kill yourself if tusk tries to spin away your rocks.
https://pokepast.es/c379202e875fb9ea
I never thought I'd see the day where Take Down would have fringe competitive use. Hats off to you sir.
Tera Blast is effectively twice as powerful as Hidden Power and could also be run as a physical option. I'd say there's a big gap between the two.
Chomp still sees a modest amount of usage and isn't a total throw pick at the moment, but at the moment it's a good Ground-type in an absolute ocean of great Ground-types.
If you want a breaker, Ursaluna is second to none.
If you want a Swiss army knife that can pull off nearly any set imaginable while providing hazard control, Tusk is still here and still amazing.
If you want a mon with solid immunities, U-Turn, Grass Knot, and the single most consistent Scarf set in the game right now, Lando-T has you covered.
Chomp clearly has legitimately viable tools (it's the fastest Ground among these, it's got Rough Skin+Helmet, it has good mixed sets, etc.) but now more than ever, it has a hard time standing out among its Ground-type competition because the tools Chomp has aren't good enough for Chomp to be a top-tier OU pick.
if you want a breaker that fits on offense chomp is your go to, ursaluna does jack shit on offense besides being a slow mon that eats chip, while also being prediction reliant just to get in the first place. MIx chomp is ur go to ground breaker on offense
Tank chomp is still amazing, that amount of helmet chip damage is invaluable and after new toy syndrome im sure it will spring back up to be a good pokemon
Chomp also can just be a great hazard stacker, it can phaze them out, and just be a pain with 1/6 and 1/8 chip damage amount to a lot of chip damage volt turn will take
treads is an insane threat rn IMO
Offensive booster 4 attack can really shut down the late game
also booster speed rapid spins feels like the most consistent spin in the meta right now
in gamefreaks ultimate troll, +1 ursaluna is slower than base 100 speed pokemon by 1 point
Why are people discussing tera blast? Tera blast is nowhere near the biggest issue with tera. There are a handful mons in OU who would use tera blast, and even then it's optional.
If tera blast was banned then volc probably wouldn't be. I agree with you that it's basically a non-issue, but some mons definitely use it all the time.
I don't think tera blast should be banned just to get mons like Volc and Regieleki back. Maybe its time to suspect the whole mechanic itself, rather than going for the weakest aspect of it
But like, why though. Why suspect the whole mechanic when most of the big losses in terms of bans are because of tb. If we can do team preview+ban tb and retain all the mons that we'd retain with a full tera ban anyway why not do it?
Because the whole mechanic is exponentially worse for the meta. If terablast broke 2 mons, offensive/defensive tera has made a dozen more much stronger than they should be. Why not start with (possibly) the biggest issue, which is changing your type to flip entire match upside down
I don't agree that most of the big losses in terms of bans are 'cause of Tera Blast. Out of Regieleki, Espathra, Palafin (CB had answers without Tera Water, and Bulk Up Taunt was also stoppable without Tera), and Chien-Pao (not including Volcarona because of the controversy around its ban and because it probably wouldn't get banned if it were up to the playerbase), the Pokemon I believe were banned because of Tera, only 2 of them were banned because of Tera Blast. This hardly points to Tera Blast as being some huge problem that you are making it out to be. The big issue with Tera is that it allows you to change your type and make a huge-changing play in setting up on or otherwise KOing what should have been a check to your mon.
It was, however, the most important factor in letting Espathra get past dark types, the sole reason for Regieleki's ban, and a major cited part of Volcarona - IE, the three mons who were banned primarily because of tera.
I am not taking a stance that it deserves a suspect, but that's the reasoning behind it.
This is a fair argument, but I am unsure if I agree. I like tera, I don't think it's been worse for the meta. Who is to say how strong a given mon "should be"? If tera is inherently uncompetitive I can see an argument for a ban, but if we can implement smaller bans to make it into a competitive state (e.g. team sheet+ ban tb) I think that could be worth doing. I still change my mind frequently about whether or not all that tinkering is worth it, and I see with the elegance of a simple tera ban. I just wonder if we have to be so dogmatic.
Depression. Seriously fuck gamefreak. If the devil exists, I would not hesitate to sell my soul to him just to wipe gamefreak off the face of existence for not buffing my boi
Espathra, Eleki, and Volcarona were all banned mostly because of tera blast. It's my opinion that Chien pao and palafin would be banned regardless of a tera ban. I guess maybe tera pushed them over the edge, but I doubt it.
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