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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]
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While this is a very wishcasting phase of hypotheticals, but if another OU-ish viable mon got Rage Fist and became unmanageable because of it, and Rage Fist is banned like Shed Tail and Last Respects, would Annihilape still be too much for OU? I can't see the ghost ape dropping with Rage Fist as an option, but without it...
Annihilape becomes a rocks final gambit lead if rage fist is taken away. He would be Nothing.
rage fist unquestionably makes annihilape what it is, but even if another op rage fist mon drops, the fact that primeape is currently completely manageable with the move means that we'll just end up with 2 banned mons instead. rage fist is a weird case where the move is absolutely and unequivocally broken on basically anything bulky but also very much not broken on mons that can't afford to take a hit. now if, say, thirty bulky mons with rage fist all dropped at once, then we would probably just ban the move and write off primeape as collateral damage, and in that case, annihilape would be perfectly reasonable in ou and probably even kinda mid because it gets no good physical ghost stab
I think ape could feasibly drop with a tera restriction or a ban, since tera + sub is what allowed ape to get all those rage fist boosts in the first place, and without tera it would be far harder for ape to build up rage fist boosts
Hitting Ape through Sub doesn't boost Rage Fist though.
let's be realistic, annihilape is busted as shit even without tera or shed tail or any of the other auxiliary stuff. it still only needs to eat 2 hits to start becoming unreasonable and it's got the bulk to do it. plus, revival blessing still exists to cheese it back from the dead, and as bad as its users are, it's still a non-zero factor in what makes annihilape so stupid—most mons come back at the same level of power, annihilape comes back stronger because the hit that killed it still boosted rage fist. who the fuck designed this move
I hate Annihilape more than anyone, but I'll say that Revival Blessing had nothing to do w/ it being broken. Revival Blessing would only bring it up to 50% (possibly less with hazards up) making it easy RK fodder. This issue was that it completely steamrolled various defensive Pokemon like Toxapex with its Taunt BU set and couldn't be countered by traditional means. Attacking into it was always incredibly risky & your typical Ghost Immunities or resist would be destroyed by Drain Punch. I remember Screens support making it extra obnoxious.
Tbh why not? It's not like there's nothing fucking absurd in the format that players have been forced to "adapt" to. What's one more
that gambit/chi-yu calc is crazy
i don't think few tms, gliscor and maybe 5 new pokemons allow to unban anything, let's be realistic
looking back into volcarona days, even if was able to check valiant was a HUGE pain to deal with so i would actually be happy if stays uber but i would not mind a retest if players want it
looking back into volcarona days, even if was able to check valiant was a HUGE pain to deal with so i would actually be happy if stays uber but i would not mind a retest if players want it
No offense but the hzoro argument was already shaky before HOME came out and it's especially bad now considering how unviable zoroark has become
oh, i get it
they call it a modest proposal because it's bringing special attackers back into the tier
mfers didn’t take heed !!!
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An unviable shitmon hardcountering a banned Mon is no reason to unban it. Even if Zoroark was amazing in OU and there was a non-Annihilape reason to use it, forcing all players to use Zoroark or lose to the ape is terrible tiering. Then again forcing players to run 2-3 Kingambit checks plus their own Kingambit is ok so you never know
Dog play NU, the asshole snake is banned and the tier is finally fun again, miles better than contemporary OU
With Ape, I think a case could be made for it since the new additions from Home can give it some trouble. Rocky Helmet Taunt Tornadus-T, Zapdos, and Moltres do just fine against it. Tech like Tera Electric might seem like a way to get around this, but then you just open yourself up to the goat Tusk that's on 90% of teams, which is no bueno.
I genuinely hate Annihilape more than any other mon (even Flutter Mane, Chi-yu, and Houndstone) so I am more than fine leaving it in Ubers.
I didn't find Annihilape even more of a terror than Chi-Yu, but I did hate facing Annihilape more than Flutter Mane and Houndstone, which slower-based teams had more outs against. Annihilape just encourages degenerate and unhealthy play patterns and has no business being OU IMO.
Good. Lets unban chi yu, palafin as well to check chi yu, iron bundle as well to check palafin, flutter mane as well to compete with iron bundle. Hey maybe zacian as well to offensively check flutter mane. Why not?
Edit: And yes by zacian I mean its crowned form
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Why don't we just unban everything: Moves, Pokémon and Abilities (apart from Legendary and Mythical mons), then call the tier Freedom Cup instead of OU.
Theres a name for it already lol, AG, if I'm not mistaken
Ah yes just what this tier needs more Zapdos spam
I mean, Annihilape also has setup and Taunt + a decent speed tier, plus STAB on Rage Fist without Tera and a near-perfectly complimentary secondary STAB that also gives it recovery. I’m not convinced bulk alone is what makes Annihilape as busted with Rage Fist as it is, though it’s certainly one of the most important factors.
And Chi-Yu can’t pivot or run Life Orb sets nearly as easily. Lando isn’t as scary a breaker as Chi-Yu, but it’s still damn insane considering it gets nearly free Life Orb and U-Turn on top of it, and it can still run Nasty Plot now too. AND Calm Mind. AND it has Taunt. Please, please no Landorus-I; it’s never been healthy post-Sheer Force and it only got buffed this gen.
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