Pokemon Scarlet & Violet - 18th Nov 2022! **OFFICIAL INFO ONLY**

And with... *sigh*... "Poltchageist", there are now enough fully evolved grass/ghost Pokemon to make a full team:

Trevenant
Gourgeist
Decidueye
Dhelmise
Brambleghast
Poltchageist

joining fire/ghost as having this distinction (Marowak-A, Typhlosion-H, Chandelure, Blacephalon, Skeledirge, Ceruledge) (for ghost dual types, there are of course other dual-type combos that you can make full teams out of).
 
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There's a friend of mine who has been on the hunt for a shiny authentic Sinistea for a while, and after 30 shinys he's still not found an authentic one.

Obviously the first thing I've done is ask him when he shiny hunting the new "Polteageist" :wo:
 
So it seems we have a new convergent species a la Wiglett Toedscool, this time for Polteageist. A Grass/Ghost Kitakamian parallel known as Poltchageist. Based on this I would presume there's a pre-evolution for this thing called Sinistcha.

Love the lore though, and it's a pretty cool Pokemon. Having Grass STAB should definitely help it though.
 
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Why is it a convergent and not just a regional form? It's not like Wiglett or Toedscool where it's a completely unrelated species. It's still a ghost possessing tea and a teapot, just with different tea. How is that any different from Galarian Yamask?
With this in particular I wonder if it just comes down to not wanting to just call it "Kitakami Form"
The whole situation with Kitakami continues to be weird. It's part of Paldea (it has to, for Terastalization) but it also is its own Land (there's non-Paldean Wooper, they keep saying "Land of Kitakami") but also it is NOT a region dont confuse it.
 
With this in particular I wonder if it just comes down to not wanting to just call it "Kitakami Form"
The whole situation with Kitakami continues to be weird. It's part of Paldea (it has to, for Terastalization) but it also is its own Land (there's non-Paldean Wooper, they keep saying "Land of Kitakami") but also it is NOT a region dont confuse it.
I'm on the theory that regional forms ironically lock Pokemon out of being truly tied to a region. No matter how hard a regional form is pushed, it's forever tied to the OG form. Alolan Ninetales and Exeggutor are never going to be part of the Alolan section of the National Dex, just forms of the Kantonian ones. Regional exclusive evolutions and convergent species defy that, so Pokemon like Obtsagoon and Toedscruel are tied exclusively to their region.
 
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Why is it a convergent and not just a regional form? It's not like Wiglett or Toedscool where it's a completely unrelated species. It's still a ghost possessing tea and a teapot, just with different tea. How is that any different from Galarian Yamask?

I was a bit thrown off at first but it seems its not actually tea - Matcha is used to make but Poltchageist seems to just be matcha powder. Even so, there's cases where similar irl animals are still convergent - Toucans and Hornbills for instance are both similar looking birds, but they are not closely related. Could be something like that here where they are both possesed pots that look similar but aren't related

That said though I do get the point that they could easily have worked this one into a regional moreso than the other two previous examples we've had. Just saying its not completely ilogical for it to be a convergent mon
 
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Why is it a convergent and not just a regional form? It's not like Wiglett or Toedscool where it's a completely unrelated species. It's still a ghost possessing tea and a teapot, just with different tea. How is that any different from Galarian Yamask?

I think it comes down to having a different origin story.

Broadly speaking, ghosts aren’t products of evolution, but rather are produced when lingering spirits become fixated on something material. Poltchageist was born of a tea master’s frustration and regret, whereas Sinistea is just a lonely lost soul that settled into some leftover tea. They have different points of origin (originating from different people experiencing different emotions), but the end result is similar — which is what convergent evolution is, no?
 
Calling it now - unlike Wiglett and Toedscool, Poltchageist is a 1-stage that resembles Sinistea but has Polteageist’s stats. Essentially the convergent equivalent of Scream Tail, and that’s why it isn’t named something like “Sinestcha”.

Oh, also, on the above topic: Sinistea is a poltergeist that directly possesses the tea itself according to the Pokédex, (even though it clearly manipulates the facial expression on its cup it resides in), but Poltchageist is ironically instead a tsukimogami or onryo which directly posesses the tea caddy and just manipulates the matcha inside it. That’s why it’s convergent; it’s not the same kind of ghost, just one that seems similar at a glance.
 
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With this in particular I wonder if it just comes down to not wanting to just call it "Kitakami Form"
The whole situation with Kitakami continues to be weird. It's part of Paldea (it has to, for Terastalization) but it also is its own Land (there's non-Paldean Wooper, they keep saying "Land of Kitakami") but also it is NOT a region dont confuse it.

I'm gonna be frank, there's really nothing about the Terastal phenomenon that dictates it can only be used in Paldea. It's not like Dynamax where not only was the Dynamax phenomenon only seen in Galar, it was a case where even within the region itself it was only usable in certain power spots scattered across the region.

Kitakami and Blueberry Academy are both noted to be entirely separate landmasses away from Paldea. The Blueberry Academy is noted to be a place where you're "studying abroad", aka overseas in a foreign place, thus denoting the BB Academy to be foreign. and Kitakami is also foreign to Paldea. Neither are a totally new region or a new generation, but are both completely separate lands from Paldea.

Terastal was believed to have been found in Paldea and only seen there but there's nothing stopping Game Freak from saying "nah that's a lie, it's elsewhere with its own lore", and since Ogerpon is tied to Terastal as much as Terapagos seemingly, that would explain why a distant land like Kitakami has the Terastal phenomenon.

Case in point is Mega Evolution, which was originally stated in X and Y to have only been found in Kalos, but then ORAS came into the picture and proceeded to go "hah nope, Hoenn has Mega Evolution energy and Mega Stones too!" with its own separate lore about how it got there, different from how it got into Kalos.

Really I think it's just a matter of Game Freak having a shift in philosophy and these supposed "convergent" species, ie two unrelated species who became similar, being what they want to do now. Regional forms have definitely taken a backseat this gen with only Wooper and Tauros being such, while they have given more focus to convergents (Wiglett and Toedscool for instance), Paradox Pokemon, and a return of traditional new evolutions such as Dudunsparce, Farigiraf, Annihilape, Kingambit, and now Dipplin and Archaludon. Regional forms are something they are shifting away from, and they've felt they've done everything they wanted to for now in Alola, Galar, and Hisui, and are now trying out new concepts in terms of designs.
 
If this thing is supposed to evolve, I wonder if its stats will be closer to sinistea’s or polteageist’s. The former seems more likely, but with stronger pokemon like bisharp and duralodon getting evolutions this generation I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a similar situation to galarian Mr mime, especially since it already shares a typing with polteageist.

Also insert obligatory “I wish it wasn’t grass/ghost type” comment here.
 
I don’t get it.

Gen 4 Pokémon have been around for 17 years, but the only cross-gen additions they’ve received in all that time have been a few Mega Evolutions and Origin Dialga / Palkia. (And Rotom’s new utility applications, I suppose.) No cross-gen evolutions, regional forms, convergent mons, Gigantamaxes, etc. Even with Paradox Pokémon, Gen 4 only sort of half-scored with Iron Valiant’s hybridization of Gallade, which is itself an extension of a Gen 3 family to begin with.

Meanwhile Gen 8 *just* ended last year, and already in this DLC it’s racked up two cross-gen evolutions and a convergent species.
 
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