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I'm fine with Zippy as well, though I'd prefer after skipper.

I've mostly had the same scumreads as Blazade and UncleSam just said. Though I disagree with Blazade about HydrogenHydreigon; he's on my sus list. UncleSam I don't think you named him at all, thoughts on HH?
 
Oh, also slightly disagreeing with Sam about tigershark: I only TL them because they could be using a deepwolf strat of never being on a town vote they think will go through. See: me in most of my scum meta.
 
UncleSam said:
Of your town list I mostly agree, though I would put it more as:
Town core: myself, Blazade, Neon, tigershark, AG
- I think it is more or less 100% this list contains zero mafia. 3p is harder to say and I agree with Blazade that we will probably need massclaim to help solve for that, but these are the people I'm largely going to look to in terms of who to vote with. Blazade and Neon are cleaner than the other two (tigershark / AG) and I think both have very little 3p equity, on top of being almost certainly not mafia. I could see AG being 3p with a special voting-related power, but it's a bit tinfoily for me at this stage and I do think Occam's razor would say AG is probably just town.

Lean town: Fairy, Ehmcee
- I've talked about these two enough that I don't need to repeat my lingering concerns with them. I'm not voting for either of these two today unless there's new information coming to light or someone I absolutely trust in the list above makes a very compelling argument. So yeah, not town core, but they're definitely not good vote options today.

Others: Skipper, Zippy, Celever, Realiti
- I tend to agree with Blazade that I've liked Realiti's posts and I almost think it'd be too blatant to defend Rostam the way he did yesterday. Plus it'd bruise my ego because I have so consistently townread him. However, I just don't think he belongs in the town list simply due to how suspect his Day 2 was in retrospect. I'd prefer to vote someone else from this list, however.

I also would tend not to push for a Celever vote today simply because A. Celever is still contributing so actively, B. the same argument for it being too brazen for Realiti to just push against the Rostam vote all day applies to Celever as well, and C. I think that Skipper / Zippy have stronger ties to Rostam (see below). Also, I think there is upside in keeping him around for a mass claim tomorrow in the event he is town to help analyze things, while there's not a lot of downside in the event he is scum since I assume that scum have deadchat. imperfectluck are you able to confirm or deny whether scum (for example, Rostam) can communicate with their dead teammates for strategy purposes?

Finally, Skipper and Zippy are my preferred vote options today, with Celever >> Realiti as third and fourth choices. Both have played under the radar, buddied Rostam but not openly, and to boot if you go look at Day 1 you can see that Rostam voted on Pulsar to save Skipper. Not only that, but Zippy also voted on Pulsar to save Skipper, while Celever voted Skipper to save Pulsar. All of this sort of implies a stronger connection between Skipper - Zippy - Rostam than between Celever and any of them imo.

I think that there may be some value in having just Skipper and Zippy claim today in the event that the rest of my / Blazade's towncore agrees that they're the best choices and we would opt to vote one of them barring further evidence. TO BE CLEAR DO NOT CLAIM AS OF YET. I am only asking for opinions on this plan of action today, primarily from Blazade.

Day's been kinda quiet so I'd really like to hear from the rest of my town reads here. a fairy Ehmcee ImaginaryNeon tigershark/genius1 Aura Guardian can you all give your thoughts on this reading of the game state and of the possible vote options? Particularly Blazade's case on Celever vs. my case on Skipper - Zippy - Rostam being a potential scumteam.
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im agreeing with everything here lol
 
UncleSam said:
Of your town list I mostly agree, though I would put it more as:
Town core: myself, Blazade, Neon, tigershark, AG
- I think it is more or less 100% this list contains zero mafia. 3p is harder to say and I agree with Blazade that we will probably need massclaim to help solve for that, but these are the people I'm largely going to look to in terms of who to vote with. Blazade and Neon are cleaner than the other two (tigershark / AG) and I think both have very little 3p equity, on top of being almost certainly not mafia. I could see AG being 3p with a special voting-related power, but it's a bit tinfoily for me at this stage and I do think Occam's razor would say AG is probably just town.

Lean town: Fairy, Ehmcee
- I've talked about these two enough that I don't need to repeat my lingering concerns with them. I'm not voting for either of these two today unless there's new information coming to light or someone I absolutely trust in the list above makes a very compelling argument. So yeah, not town core, but they're definitely not good vote options today.

Others: Skipper, Zippy, Celever, Realiti
- I tend to agree with Blazade that I've liked Realiti's posts and I almost think it'd be too blatant to defend Rostam the way he did yesterday. Plus it'd bruise my ego because I have so consistently townread him. However, I just don't think he belongs in the town list simply due to how suspect his Day 2 was in retrospect. I'd prefer to vote someone else from this list, however.

I also would tend not to push for a Celever vote today simply because A. Celever is still contributing so actively, B. the same argument for it being too brazen for Realiti to just push against the Rostam vote all day applies to Celever as well, and C. I think that Skipper / Zippy have stronger ties to Rostam (see below). Also, I think there is upside in keeping him around for a mass claim tomorrow in the event he is town to help analyze things, while there's not a lot of downside in the event he is scum since I assume that scum have deadchat. imperfectluck are you able to confirm or deny whether scum (for example, Rostam) can communicate with their dead teammates for strategy purposes?

Finally, Skipper and Zippy are my preferred vote options today, with Celever >> Realiti as third and fourth choices. Both have played under the radar, buddied Rostam but not openly, and to boot if you go look at Day 1 you can see that Rostam voted on Pulsar to save Skipper. Not only that, but Zippy also voted on Pulsar to save Skipper, while Celever voted Skipper to save Pulsar. All of this sort of implies a stronger connection between Skipper - Zippy - Rostam than between Celever and any of them imo.

I think that there may be some value in having just Skipper and Zippy claim today in the event that the rest of my / Blazade's towncore agrees that they're the best choices and we would opt to vote one of them barring further evidence. TO BE CLEAR DO NOT CLAIM AS OF YET. I am only asking for opinions on this plan of action today, primarily from Blazade.

Day's been kinda quiet so I'd really like to hear from the rest of my town reads here. a fairy Ehmcee ImaginaryNeon tigershark/genius1 Aura Guardian can you all give your thoughts on this reading of the game state and of the possible vote options? Particularly Blazade's case on Celever vs. my case on Skipper - Zippy - Rostam being a potential scumteam.
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Yeah I had mentioned that Rostam moved off skip, but they were the first to move onto that wagon in the first place so I think it's a bit of a wash. I actually think Celever is more likely to bus in a flashwagon situation than get off the scum wagon, it's something I've seen him do before. I also think that Celever legitimately thought he could find wiggle room to argue with me on Rostam until the point where I busted out the math and made it clear I wasn't changing my mind. I think Scum Celever is put in a difficult position where it's difficult to argue off the vote but impossible to get meaningful credit off of a bus. Then again, as he said, Town Celever probably is sad at how things go because he doesn't get to shoot from the hip and has to follow a lynch being argued principally (but not solely, mind you! I still think there was plenty of room to argue a Rostam town vibes case.) by mechanics and cold hard probability. It's just the PoE puts this slot at significantly above expectation all things considered.

i legitimately don't know how to deal with players like skip and Zippy I usually just hope info roles get pointed at them or they get vigged off. It's too late in the game for policy lynches but I'm struggling with options.
 
ZippyDoo200 said:
I fucking hate this site. Cant wait to be done.
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tigershark/genius1 said:
i agree with all your reads so far :)
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Could be 3p lurching on to everyone else
tigershark/genius1 said:
so aura is still sus im not completely buying his alibi. Rostam is apparently it, skipper, and celever/aura
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Apparently he’s been pushing me, Cel, and AG all game LMAO
Blazade said:
-Sam. Sam scumgames are very slightly less active and village leadery than his towngames
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I’m just giving town leader vibes from Sam here so I’m just gonna keep my vote on him
 
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