is to help her support herself against special boosting threads, most common one being gholdengo, but valiant is a nice bonus too, smart people use to basically stall, if your not smart, you can use attacking moves on it like ice beam to lure gliscor while he puts 3 layers on the field
It's mainly used to deal with Gholdengo in Stall teams, plus a bunch of special set up sweepers (hence why they all run Tera Dark, to counter an eventual Stored Power or Psyshock). The problem with Blissey is that it literally does nothing besides that set, you always see it with the same movepool of Stealth Rock, CM+Shadow Ball/Hyper Voice and Soft Boiled as a last move. Since it no longer gets Toxic you really can't do anything with Blissey unless you use an offensive set, so this is the only option for the Stall players that still want to use it in their teams as a Special wall. I mean, it also has Heal Bell but it is pretty much a useless move outside of Gliscor's Toxic spam. For this reason Blissey only works on Stall teams, and I'd argue it's one of their least threatening and least annoying mons as well. I hope it stays that way even after the DLC.
Blissey being good is only fun in a format like gen 3 OU, and even then double blissey end games are the single worst part of that metagame
It is necessary on Stall, you need to be able to deal with special threats that set up - others have mentioned Gholdengo and that is the #1 application, it also helps a lot with Iron Moth, as well as CM Valiant if you're certain it doesn't have Close Combat
I feel like CM Valiant *has* to run vacuum wave to not get owned by kingambit. (why is that mon allowed in the tier btw?)
it can beat nasty plot gholdengo with flamethrower as its second attack and can even beat crit me not manaphy sets with tera dark so stored power doesn’t nuke it, blissey is kinda mid right now, but calm mind blobsey is more than some midladder menace set used to steal games
Midgambit was voted to stay by the qualified playerbase, and is less reliable now than its ever been
kingambit is the single most banworthy pokemon in the tier and is the exception to the efficacy of the suspecting process. Kingambit should have been survey banned
That’s the main part of its problem though. It’s not only just a great OU Pokémon (even without Good As Gold), but it also has Good As Gold on top of its existing good qualities. It’s not like Game Freak slapped Good As Gold on some Steel/Normal shitmon that might occasionally show up in matches, they deliberately put it on something great. And because of how most of the tier uses the thing, it creates an unhealthy environment where people just treat hazard removal as an afterthought since your opponent might not even be running Gholdengo solely for its Defog/Rapid Spin blocking, but because it’s so easy to just slot into any kind of team, and therefore just let hazard-spam be a thing (or start clamouring for every half-decent Spikes user to be banned, or for Spikes themselves to be banned). Which ends up creating a recency bias of people saying solid Pokémon like Corviknight suck since they simply haven’t seen it operate in a stable, Gholdengo-less metagame. And if Valiant/Sneasler/Zamazenta turn out to be broken without Gholdengo around, then just ban those things too. It’s better to have an actually fun metagame to play than the same shit we’ve had for almost a year just cause “oh, one of the brokens can be a glue mon to help against the other brokens!”.
i think the most banworthy mon in the tier right now is, well, the thing that's being suspected, but gambit isn't too far behind. and yes, in a perfect world it would've been quickbanned ages ago because we're all fucking sick of it, but between some malicious people spamming the surveys and the general shift in public opinion towards taking care of the hazard meta first, it seems like gambit might survive into dlc2 and we'll have to wait even longer before we can play matches that have a real endgame
Sneasler is broken even with Gholdengo and I'm tired of you people pretending it's not. Seedler (Grassy Seed Sneasler) is the single most brain dead "I win" button in the tier, with maybe the exception of ddance tera normal dragonite. Burning your tera on a Seedler when you have the unburden boost is almost always a good decision, and quite often you can get a free swords dance. Yes Great Tusk can hit you in both forms, but they have to predict correctly and you're always getting an SD off. You can just SD in front of gliscor in grassy terrain without teraing and then you click the "I win" button. You slot in night slash for ghold so that's not even a check. The only flaw of seedler is that it cannot break stall teams by itself, but guess what! You have 5 other teammates that can help with that. The only things tiered in OU that can stop a seedler sweep are kingambit or dragonite, because there is no other good priority in the tier. This isn't even mentioning the uncompetitiveness inherent in dire claw, or the quite good support set that doesn't get talked about because it doesn't win the game instantly. Every single time I get a sneasler sweep, or even just break a team into pieces with it, I think "why is this thing allowed in the tier". Seedler is gen 7 Hawlucha on steroids, because often times you don't need to SD to break a team apart. Defensive tera is a good idea in theory, but if seedler survives the hit, you're screwed. I'm so genuinely tired of seeing Rillaboom + Sneasler on the other team and praying I win a speed tie. It's the exact opposite of a double blissey end game in ADV OU and it's just as bad.
Gliscor should not get banned for the sins of Gholdengo.
this is true! gliscor should instead be banned for its own sins, which are still numerous enough to justify kicking it out of the tier
Do you have evidence that the people giving low survey scores to Kingambit are "malicious people?" Seems awfully strange to accuse some grand conspiracy of being afoot when 1) we have evidence of fraudulent votes rating Kingambit 5, not the other way around and 2) the qualified playerbase seems to think Kingambit is much less of an issue than the unqualified
the fraudulent votes rating gambit a 5 were what i was talking about. tampering with the survey casts doubt on the results, which slows down the process and makes it riskier to take quick action, so the people spamming votes for kingambit are actually delaying action on kingambit. not sure why you keep trying to accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist
Oh I definitely do agree that Grassy Sneasler is braindead. I’m just saying
sneasler should 100% be banned
I'd rather get democratically disappointed than autocratically pleased.
listen, i hate gambit as much as the next guy and i think it should have been banned (and so do plenty of the dnb voters) but calling the playerbase "a bunch of thundering dumbasses" is going too far. and as much as i hate gambit, i hate fascists infinitely more, so if you're gonna parade around an opinion like that you better stay your ass away from my territory
