SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics

[Zetalz]

It's still a more spammable move overall than Wild Charge though. 100 BP is solid and while you run a risk of severely damaging yourself meaning you have to play more carefully at times, you also less consistently hurt yourself in spamming the move which is why Wild Charge was so underwhelming: not strong enough while consistently wearing yourself down each use sucked.

There's some risk to Supercell Slam but for the most part it can be clicked without wearing the user down repeatedly while also delivering respectable power. It's definitely an up and improvement. Ideally a full on Volt Tackle akin to Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, or Wave Crash would be even better, but this is still something after all these years.

Tbh Wild Charge is massively over-hated, it's perfectly fine for the damage range it's at, the recoil isn't even as bad as stronger recoil moves. Supercell is also not really anymore spammable as it's own drawback make it a sidegrade in the best case scenario and a severe downgrade at the worst.

People are so desperate for generic physical Electric moves nowadays they're lose it over something marginally worse than the existing best option on average just because it's BP is a tad higher. Y'all need to stop snuffing Wild Charge it's not the worst thing on planet earth.

 

[bdt2002]

Reading some posts about “syrpents”, it’s possible that’s just a spelling error but it could also be a loose reference to something called a syrupent, some kind of green snake piñata or something. Idk I just Googled this like two minutes ago

Edit: Never mind, it’s not actually a real thing

 

[StompyStomps]

Tbh Wild Charge is massively over-hated, it's perfectly fine for the damage range it's at, the recoil isn't even as bad as stronger recoil moves. Supercell is also not really anymore spammable as it's own drawback make it a sidegrade in the best case scenario and a and severe downgrade at the worst.

People are so desperate for generic physical Electric moves nowadays they're lose it over something marginally worse than the existing best option on average just because it's BP is a tad higher. Y'all need to stop snuffing Wild Charge it's not the worst thing on planet earth.

yeah, but nepotism fucking sucks

Reading some posts about “syrpents”, it’s possible that’s just a spelling error but it could also be a loose reference to something called a syrupent, some kind of green snake piñata or something. Idk I just Googled this like two minutes ago

it uses the syrupy apple to evolve from applin to dipllin, take a guess

 

[Eriorguez]

Wild Charge should be a Double Edge clone, and Volt Tackle should straight up be a Head Smash clone then.

Anyway:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735125086179381753

 

[treeshhhh]

heres a good list of mons to check for axel (had it last gen)
alotales
primarina
milotic
alolan sandslash
hitmonton
tsareena
cincinno
frosmoth
gallade
articuno
cryogonal
delibird
froslass
glaceon

 

[bdt2002]

it uses the syrupy apple to evolve from applin to dipllin, take a guess

I like this idea better than what I said

 

[MisogiKurakawa]

check gallade and gardevoir for triple axel. (not on doc)

It's a dance thing. Gardevoir has been associated with graceful dances in the past (see Pokken).

 

[Imperial Magala]

Trainer Data
https://gist.github.com/sora10pls/b12d9a1cf1b4696585ba04281a016b61

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Nemona gets a Milotic in one of her teams.

Geeta gets better Pokemon

 

[Eriorguez]

tweet isnt loading, what is it?

 

[Axiemeister]

i am in seeious awe of gouging fire. absolute unit. A+. contender for best paradox overall.

i guess i shouldn't be surprised at new moves debuting as TMs when SS IoA did it too, but most of them don't feel like... huge additions

 

[ThymeBasil]

Tbh Wild Charge is massively over-hated, it's perfectly fine for the damage range it's at, the recoil isn't even as bad as stronger recoil moves. Supercell is also not really anymore spammable as it's own drawback make it a sidegrade in the best case scenario and a severe downgrade at the worst.

People are so desperate for generic physical Electric moves nowadays they're lose it over something marginally worse than the existing best option on average just because it's BP is a tad higher. Y'all need to stop snuffing Wild Charge it's not the worst thing on planet earth.

Wild Charge does suck tbh. 10 BP might not sound like a lot but that’s the difference bwteen tanking an unsharpness Psycho Cut vs a Zen Headbutt. There’s a reason everybody exclusively runs Zen Headbutt even with the lower accuracy. I’m not saying Supercell is incredible but it’s definitely at least a little bit better than Wild Charge

 

[StompyStomps]

I see Amarys's Reuniclus and imma bout to sue TPC for plagarism (I used the same set in Gen 5 OU)

 

[Just A Seaking]

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Geeta gets better Pokemon

Geeta finally switches her Glimmora and Kingambit's order!

 

[StarFalcon555]

Munkidori DOES NOT get Expanding Force.

However, it DOES get Psychic Noise.

 

[Imperial Magala]

Pokémon Trainer Kieran (su2_bukatu_suguri)
	Prize Money: $20,880
	AI: Basic, High, Expert, Double
	===
	- Politoed () (Lv. 85) (Held Item: Wacan Berry) (Ability: Drizzle) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Ice Beam / Weather Ball / Psychic / Helping Hand) (Tera Type: Water) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe)
	- Dragonite () (Lv. 85) (Held Item: Expert Belt) (Ability: Multiscale) (Nature: Quiet) (Moves: Hurricane / Thunder / Extreme Speed / Breaking Swipe) (Tera Type: Normal) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe)
	- Grimmsnarl () (Lv. 86) (Held Item: Focus Sash) (Ability: Prankster) (Nature: Impish) (Moves: Sucker Punch / Spirit Break / Light Screen / Reflect) (Tera Type: Fairy) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD)
	- Porygon-Z (Lv. 86) (Held Item: Life Orb) (Ability: Adaptability) (Nature: Timid) (Moves: Hyper Beam / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball) (Tera Type: Normal) (IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe)
	- Incineroar () (Lv. 86) (Held Item: Sitrus Berry) (Ability: Intimidate) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: Darkest Lariat / Brick Break / Flare Blitz / Fake Out) (Tera Type: Fire) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe)
	- Hydrapple () (Lv. 87) (Held Item: Assault Vest) (Ability: Supersweet Syrup) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Fickle Beam / Gyro Ball / Tera Blast / Earth Power) (Tera Type: Fighting) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD)

Kieran's pull all of the VGC strats here.

 

[ThymeBasil]

i am in seeious awe of gouging fire. absolute unit. A+. contender for best paradox overall.

i guess i shouldn't be surprised at new moves debuting as TMs when SS IoA did it too, but most of them don't feel like... huge additions

I actually think most of them are pretty solid additions, just nice new moves for a good amount of situations. Like Alluring Voice is just a pretty good move, and Psychic Voice is niche and generally solid

 

[R.B.G.]

any news on whether they've fixed meloetta and made it actually usable?

 

[DrPumpkinz]

Wild Charge does suck tbh. 10 BP might not sound like a lot but that’s the difference bwteen tanking an unsharpness Psycho Cut vs a Zen Headbutt. There’s a reason everybody exclusively runs Zen Headbutt even with the lower accuracy. I’m not saying Supercell is incredible but it’s definitely at least a little bit better than Wild Charge

Zen Headbutt doesn't kill you if you attack a Dark-type.

 

[hidin]

heres the base stats and abilities
hydrapples bst is chill tbh, dont mind the speed

 

[ThymeBasil]

Zen Headbutt doesn't kill you if you attack a Dark-type.

People still run Jump Kick and High Jump Kick even with that drawback. It’s just a move that can be used with more leeway compared to Wild Charge but you have to predict a bit reliably, especially when the Pokemon using it almost always have Ground coverage (Electivire Ice Punch, Luxray Ice Fang)

 

[MisogiKurakawa]

Trainer Data
https://gist.github.com/sora10pls/b12d9a1cf1b4696585ba04281a016b61
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Nemona gets a Milotic in one of her teams.
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Geeta gets better Pokemon

Penny's team is LOL.

 

[lilpup800]

Wild Charge does suck tbh. 10 BP might not sound like a lot but that’s the difference bwteen tanking an unsharpness Psycho Cut vs a Zen Headbutt. There’s a reason everybody exclusively runs Zen Headbutt even with the lower accuracy. I’m not saying Supercell is incredible but it’s definitely at least a little bit better than Wild Charge

Supercell Slam is going to be inconsistent(having a miss chance is not good when you want to guarantee a win) in singles even moreso with the dominance of ground types, and an even bigger risk in doubles where everyone has protect. I'm with Zetalz on this one, Wild Charge is on average better.

 

[Pax_Unda]

Not looking at the trainer dump, can someone tell me if we have trainers at lv100?

 

[ScraftyIsTheBest]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735124729172787434

Trainer Data
https://gist.github.com/sora10pls/b12d9a1cf1b4696585ba04281a016b61
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Nemona gets a Milotic in one of her teams.
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Geeta gets better Pokemon

So Geeta was holding back against us the first time around.

She has a pseudo, a starter, and saves Kingambit for last revealing it was in fact her true ace.

After all that it turns out we're finally gonna see her true power and that she truly is as fearsome as her employees claim her to be.

 

[StarFalcon555]

Pokémon Trainer Kieran (su2_bukatu_suguri)
	Prize Money: $20,880
	AI: Basic, High, Expert, Double
	===
	- Politoed () (Lv. 85) (Held Item: Wacan Berry) (Ability: Drizzle) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Ice Beam / Weather Ball / Psychic / Helping Hand) (Tera Type: Water) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe)
	- Dragonite () (Lv. 85) (Held Item: Expert Belt) (Ability: Multiscale) (Nature: Quiet) (Moves: Hurricane / Thunder / Extreme Speed / Breaking Swipe) (Tera Type: Normal) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe)
	- Grimmsnarl () (Lv. 86) (Held Item: Focus Sash) (Ability: Prankster) (Nature: Impish) (Moves: Sucker Punch / Spirit Break / Light Screen / Reflect) (Tera Type: Fairy) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD)
	- Porygon-Z (Lv. 86) (Held Item: Life Orb) (Ability: Adaptability) (Nature: Timid) (Moves: Hyper Beam / Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Shadow Ball) (Tera Type: Normal) (IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe)
	- Incineroar () (Lv. 86) (Held Item: Sitrus Berry) (Ability: Intimidate) (Nature: Adamant) (Moves: Darkest Lariat / Brick Break / Flare Blitz / Fake Out) (Tera Type: Fire) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe)
	- Hydrapple () (Lv. 87) (Held Item: Assault Vest) (Ability: Supersweet Syrup) (Nature: Modest) (Moves: Fickle Beam / Gyro Ball / Tera Blast / Earth Power) (Tera Type: Fighting) (IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31) (EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD)

Kieran's pull all of the VGC strats here.

THEY GAVE HIM AN INCINEROAR LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THEY FUCKING KNEW