Also, can you please give me a template for this I want to make some.i liked this so much that i decided to make a wikipedia infobox about the hazard war
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Also, can you please give me a template for this I want to make some.i liked this so much that i decided to make a wikipedia infobox about the hazard war
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I have replays of my friend 6-0'ing teams at very high ladder with my Kricketune set + Specs Archaludon, does that mean Kricketune + Specs Archaludon is broken? No, it means that matches were played and won. Replays are unreliable without written evidence giving them context and explaining teambuilding pressures. All a replay says is "This Pokemon can function in this situation." Rampardos can slam through entire unresisted cores, does that mean Rampardos is banworthy? No, not even close. Darkrai is a solid mon, but there's nothing here that puts him even close to banworthy. Imo Darkrai is actually quite healthy for the tier.This is my 2nd or 3rd time sharing replays of Darkrai 6-0'ing teams at the top of the ladder.
This is a competitive forum where the idea is to make a balanced metagame; so when you make claims about a Pokemon being broken, those claims need to be backed up with evidence. An essay would add validity to your claims and that's why I like typing them. Do you think anyone here would take my viewpoints about Pokemon like OU base Calyrex seriously if I didn't put in the time to constantly test, then record my findings via an essay + details of their niche? They wouldn't. When you post something controversial or something that goes against common understanding, the burden of proof is on you to show why you feel your viewpoint is correct. Going off with condescending remarks like "I'm not here for a PhD" only makes people less willing to take your stance with anything other than a grain of salt."Well redacted essay"
Bro, this is a video game forum. I'm not here for a PhD.
If you don't take me seriously, I don't care. I'll keep using Darkrai.
this is the site i usedAlso, can you please give me a template for this I want to make some.
to make this not a one-liner, i do think slither wing is heavily underrated right now, especially with how strong sun is as a playstyle. i might actually slot that on with triple dinos because the team's kinda lacking in terms of tusk/zama switch-insList of Mons Slither Wing defensively checks (without either of the Mons using Tera, which changes some match-ups):
-Great Tusk
-Kingambit
-Zamazenta
-Darkrai
-Hydrapple
-Rillaboom
-Landorus-T
-Meowscarada
-Weavile
-Hisuian Samurott
-Excadrill
-Hisuian Lilligant
-Ogerpon
-Mamoswine
-Iron Treads
-Iron Hands
Its not a counter and some of those match-ups are very iffy and not too reliable. But its not crazy enough to just say "Bruh" without even giving a proper argument. Defensive teams won,t be always having the same 6 defensive Mons, they can also adapt.
I think using multiple mons to beat someone is a lil bit different than leading with Darkrai and winning the game right then and there, without ever switching. Which happens regularly when you use Darkrai against defensive teams.have replays of my friend 6-0'ing teams at very high ladder with my Kricketune set + Specs Archaludon
Honchkrow and furret bludgeoning alolan golem with ground type attacks and knock off spam after whiscash died early game to a tera grass lumieon (hes the leader of hazard stack‘s ZU branch)i liked this so much that i decided to make a wikipedia infobox about the hazard war
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Any team without Booster Energy speed or priority users also risks being 6-0'd by Pokemon like Kingambit, Gholdengo, Serperior, Volcarona, Gouging Fire, Iron Boulder, or Kyurem. Darkrai does not hit hard without a boost, and it's incredibly easy to slot mons in that handle it. Darkrai's one STAB move only has 80 BP, while its strongest move Focus Blast hits about as often as my voice hits when I'm doing drunk karaoke, even moreso the case with Hypnosis. Sure, Darkrai can be threatening if you get boosts up, just like 75% of the rest of the OU tier. Having a chance to win games with +2 is not an indicator of an unhealthy mon, otherwise half the tier would be banworthy.I think using multiple mons to beat someone is a lil bit different than leading with Darkrai and winning the game without ever switching. Which happens regularly when you use Darkrai against defensive teams.
Any team without Booster Energy speed or multiple priority users risks being 6-0'd by Darkrai. I think that is a problem.
Unaware.Any team without Booster Energy speed or priority users also risks being 6-0'd by Pokemon like Kingambit, Gholdengo
Serperior is naturally outsped by many mons in OU. Unaware also handles him well.Serperior
Have you heard of Ting-Lu? Blissey? Clodsire? Volcarona can not break special walls.Volcarona
Gouging Fire has been discussed as banworthy in this thread becauase he has no defensive switch-ins.Gouging Fire
You can not outrun Iron Boulder. He is the fastest mon in OU after Booster Energy. Defensive mons are actually his only counterplay, not Booster Energy...Iron Boulder
Unaware.Kyurem
Also, Slither Wing is absolutely a super cool off-meta pick. Sun teams are common right now, yeah? Consider adding the funny bug.Unaware.
you, uh… you do realize that there are not one but two mons in the tier right now capable of viably running unaware and walling tera fairy darkrai once you sack something else to sleep, right? i could even argue three if i count "a well-played tera fairy dirge"Unaware.
Gholdengo is not even a little bit fast either, at 87 speed with no priority.
Serperior is naturally outsped by many mons in OU. Unaware also handles him well.
Have you heard of Ting-Lu? Blissey? Clodsire? Volcarona can not break special walls.
Gouging Fire has been discussed as banworthy in this thread becauase he has no defensive switch-ins.
You can not outrun Iron Boulder. He is the fastest mon in OU after Booster Energy. Defensive mons are actually his only counterplay, not Booster Energy...
Unaware.
Boosting Darkrai is also folded by Unaware, like Ghold and King. Ghold can run a scarf while King has priority via Sucker Punch that, let me tell ya, hits a lot harder than Darkrai, especially with Supreme Overlord boosts. King doesn't need LO +2, it primarily runs Leftovers for a reason.Unaware.
Gholdengo is not even a little bit fast either, at 87 speed with no priority.
Serperior is naturally outsped by many mons in OU. Darkrai is not.
Have you heard of Ting-Lu? Blissey? Clodsire? Volcarona can not break special walls.
Gouging Fire has been discussed as banworthy in this thread becauase he has no defensive switch-ins.
You can not outrun Iron Boulder. He is the fastest mon in OU after Booster Energy. Defensive mons are actually his only counterplay, not Booster Energy.
Unaware.
Except no, because Hypnosis.Boosting Darkrai is also folded by Unaware
bruv you have 6 monsHave you heard of Ting-Lu? Blissey? Clodsire? Volcarona can not break special walls.
'they know to save sleep for your Unaware mon' THEN YOU CAN BEAT IT WITH ITS NORMAL CHECKS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THE SLEEPExcept no, because Hypnosis.
You need a sleep sacrifice first, then switch in the Unaware mon. Which is extremely easy to play around for the Darkrai user (they know to save sleep for your Unaware mon).
Cherry picking things to respond to now?you, uh… you do realize that there are not one but two mons in the tier right now capable of viably running unaware and walling tera fairy darkrai once you sack something else to sleep, right? i could even argue three if i count "a well-played tera fairy dirge"
you can also just switch out of the unaware mon to bait hypnosis. hell, you can switch out into hatterene and then you have the hypnosis. darkrai has to play better than you think it does to end up in these sort of positionsWhich is extremely easy to play around for the Darkrai user (they know to save sleep for your Unaware mon).
and i happen to have a degree in game design, and i'm telling you to sit down and listen to morkal, 1ldk, and the countless other people who know what they're talking aboutBro, this is a video game forum. I'm not here for a PhD.
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Forgot to say this, but saving sleep for your Unaware mon doesn't work, because there is something called RESTTALK DOZO. do you know what sleep talk does? it allows you to hit Darkrai while you're sleeping. Darkrai ain't living a wave crash or a body press.Except no, because Hypnosis.
You need a sleep sacrifice first, then switch in the Unaware mon. Which is extremely easy to play around for the Darkrai user (they know to save sleep for your Unaware mon).
this is true. my reasoning behind not wanting darkrai back was that i didn't consider iron valiant fine for the tier in dlc1. of course, that opinion has changed now that several new forms of speed control exist that can serve as reliable offensive answers to darkrai and valiant. suffice it to say that i didn't see a base 124 speed mon with booster energy in the crystal ball i use to make meta predictionsDarkrai isn’t going anywhere any time soon because it faces both competition and is pretty threatened by Iron Valiant.
If Iron Valiant is fine for the tier, so is Darkrai. It’s really that simple.
Gholdengo is one of the most resilient Mons with a Boosting move in the game, and frequently relies on Thunder Wave for Speed Control (which is what Priority is used to Circumvent)Unaware.
Gholdengo is not even a little bit fast either, at 87 speed with no priority.
Unaware is team specific while offensive teams have to watch for Glare as always. No more widespread or universal than using them as Darkrai answersSerperior is naturally outsped by many mons in OU. Unaware also handles him well.
Depending on the coverage choices neither can Darkrai (especially with the restriction Hypnosis puts on Attack options), and Volcarona is known for being very polarized in its match-ups anyway.Have you heard of Ting-Lu? Blissey? Clodsire? Volcarona can not break special walls.
Survey literally says otherwise from the player base, and Gouging Fire is strong but only as Nuclear as those posts while Sun is working for himGouging Fire has been discussed as banworthy in this thread becauase he has no defensive switch-ins.
Why do you think Priority (something Boulder is weak to some of the most prominent forms of without Tera) was mentioned at the start of the list?You can not outrun Iron Boulder. He is the fastest mon in OU after Booster Energy. Defensive mons are actually his only counterplay, not Booster Energy...
Last I was aware Kyurem is equally if not more radar worthy for its Specs sets because of the absurd coverage Freeze Dry and Earth Power/Tera Blast give it unboosted. At the very least, Unaware is not a catch-all answer to Kyurem, at best to one of its set types.Unaware.
all right but that's not really an apt comparison because base 110 speed is trivial compared to base 125. also, hypnosis was an actual factor in the mega gengar ban because sleep synergizes obscenely well with the already-broken shadow tag (and with trapping in general—y'all better watch out for yawn fire spin torkoal, it sounds like a meme but it'll get you when you least expect). iron valiant is a much better exampleAlso if you’re complaining about a 60% acc sleep move breaking Darkrai, I hope you don’t learn about Gengar.
speaking of iron valiant, i think you might be facing an encore set because you keep saying the same thing over and over againDarkrai 6-0's another stall team at 1900 rating, this time with 2 Unaware users AND Blissey: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2026379945
It's really not hard. Boost up, sleep something threatening, then click Dark Pulse until you get a flinch. Defensive teams can't do a damn thing unless they get lucky.
ogerpon hearthflame required everone to run tera dragon dondozo youre crazy for wanting that backidk why people are clowning you here
sub-CM darkrai with hypnosis is another set that can 6-0 on lead
that said, I don't think the fact that darkrai can 6-0 fat teams from turn 1 is a bad thing, nor do I think it's "broken". NP Hypnosis Gengar has been able to do this since gen-whatever. Hypnosis valiant is more OU-viable cheese. If anything, it's all the more reason to bring back and . The ladder is offense-oriented and very antagonistic to pokemon like this, so to say they should be banned b/c they're restrictive to stall or whatever seems pretty stupid to me when stuff like Tera Dondozo invalidates 90% of physical attackers by existing.
Sleep is stupid, yeah, but so is paralysis and anything with less than like 80% accuracy. The game is just not very competitive at its core...
Ban Tera
Your comment is misleading and I wish you wouldn't spread false information like that. I watched your replay - first off, the opponent forfeited very early, you didn't "6-0" with Darkrai. Your match went right because the following things happened - you predicted that Gliscor would use Protect and got in a Nasty Plot, landed a 60% Hypnosis on Clefable first shot, burned your Tera to use Tera Blast Fairy, then got a critical hit + a flinch with +2 Dark Pulse on Blissey. This does not happen in most games, there's a reason the concept of "risk/reward" exists.Darkrai 6-0's another stall team at 1900 rating, this time with 2 Unaware users AND Blissey: https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2026379945
It's really not hard. Boost up, sleep something threatening, then click Dark Pulse until you get a flinch. Defensive teams can't do a damn thing unless they get lucky.