NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

fwiw I'm not saying that mafia are a bunch of inactives. What I'm saying is that most of the people active in the discussion in the last 10 pages or so feel town to me. But I can see why it could come across as me saying that they're all inactive
 
i'm unwilling to vote shane right now because i want to talk to him when he's around, he seems personable at a glance and i think i'd be able to get a better feel for his intentions from talking to him in real time. + don't like to KO slots that have the potential to be strong town leaders per D1 content if they are town unless there's enough cause for concern to where they seem likely to be a hit
 
Clouds said:
i'm unwilling to vote shane right now because i want to talk to him when he's around, he seems personable at a glance and i think i'd be able to get a better feel for his intentions from talking to him in real time. + don't like to KO slots that have the potential to be strong town leaders per D1 content if they are town unless there's enough cause for concern to where they seem likely to be a hit
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makes sense but i believe in m2h's d1 vote, so i need a target and to get the wagon off of me?
 
laurel is probably town ftr and i think there was legitimacy to the whole not knowing mafia had fakeclaims thing, unless he's taken acting classes. for it to be an intentional fake townslip, i feel like he would've postured more with it, which i didn't really see. so i see level with jalmont on the read, just want to see how he got there himself on it. i share M2H's sentiment that i was surprised to see him post so early though lol, but hey that's progress
 
Fwiw my d1 reads tend to suck (d1 is still important though!!!). I'm more of a d2 or d3 person. All that to say, genisu you probably shouldn't rely on me to snap my fingers and solve the game. I'm not anywhere near that good. The last game, if anything, was on my higher end of performance.
 
genisu said:
makes sense but i believe in m2h's d1 vote, so i need a target and to get the wagon off of me?
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this isn't the best approach unless you're forced into self-preservation mode towards the end of a vote. it's so early now that if you're sitting there as town and you hop on another vote just for the sake of getting heat off of yourself and creating another viable wagon, you risk building up two villager wagons and becoming a part of allowing mafia to exploit town's unease in letting two prominent day 1 wagons continue to survive day after day if neither wind up going over here. it's better to take your best shot at voting scumreads instead, there's nothing to lose here and voting someone on the grounds of "not knowing their meta" is fairly unsturdy. if it's just to explore what happens when the wagon takes off a little, then sure that's fine
 
I wouldn't push laurel as a vote but Idt laurel is cleared by his flavour massclaim thing. I think there's plausible scum motivation for doing so (gauging town power based on flavour claims) and I think derp clears are the worst way to be working with the vote anyway.
 
bluedoom said:
I wouldn't push laurel as a vote but Idt laurel is cleared by his flavour massclaim thing. I think there's plausible scum motivation for doing so (gauging town power based on flavour claims) and I think derp clears are the worst way to be working with the vote anyway.
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it's not the mass flavor claim thing that i'm factoring in there, it's the disregard of the clause about mafia being given fakeclaims. which for sure can be acting, i don't disagree, like i said i just feel like laurel would've tried to run with it more or posture in a way to present himself as a villager & it'd be easier to spot traces of a skit. if you look at the progression he had with it in his conversation with M2H, he kinda just rolls into realizing mafia were given fakeclaims. it seems like he genuinely didn't know about it to me, just my two cents
 
Clouds said:
it's not the mass flavor claim thing that i'm factoring in there, it's the disregard of the clause about mafia being given fakeclaims. which for sure can be acting, i don't disagree, like i said i just feel like laurel would've tried to run with it more or posture in a way to present himself as a villager & it'd be easier to spot traces of a skit. if you look at the progression he had with it in his conversation with M2H, he kinda just rolls into realizing mafia were given fakeclaims. it seems like he genuinely didn't know about it to me, just my two cents
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mm ya I see where you're coming from with this
 
pulsar512b said:
ok yea this is scum
##vote genisu
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what's striking you as scummy from that readslist? does it have to do with who he's scumreading...? i'm not sure that's a post that'd snap me into thinking he's scum, so i'm missing the connection there or what's driving the read. do you have past exp playing with them?
 
genisu said:
idk why you find me "annoying" a fairy but im sure we can work together to find the mafia!
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sometimes i'm reading genisu posts and i'm like yeah alright i kinda see how some of these hipfire thoughts could be townie. then other times i see posts like this that are almost too LAMIST to grace this earth and i'm back to square one. interesting slot to sort out, no idea how he plays, but i will say that flanders' conviction on genisu being mafia feels misplaced with respect to their forcefulness to get the vote to happen

more talk than action if you will. hard doubled down on genisu being mafia just to sorta drift away from the subject in a way that i'm not sure tracks with someone who's so sure genisu is mafia here. then again, haven't played with them either, so there's time to figure this all out

bluedoom's growing on me, i'd say we could be pals for day 1. still think i'm most cool with M2H and laurel slots so far, neon's whatever and might just wind up being town but i'm not following what in his role locktowns him or writes off the fact that it could just be a fakeclaim he was given to sound townie, explaining why he was so eager to claim right away. is claiming straight away typical for him?
 
Clouds said:
bluedoom's growing on me, i'd say we could be pals for day 1. still think i'm most cool with M2H and laurel slots so far, neon's whatever and might just wind up being town but i'm not following what in his role locktowns him or writes off the fact that it could just be a fakeclaim he was given to sound townie, explaining why he was so eager to claim right away. is claiming straight away typical for him?
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He claimed roleblocker as town last game, that happened so fast some of us present missed it
 
Clouds said:
i'm unwilling to vote shane right now because i want to talk to him when he's around, he seems personable at a glance and i think i'd be able to get a better feel for his intentions from talking to him in real time. + don't like to KO slots that have the potential to be strong town leaders per D1 content if they are town unless there's enough cause for concern to where they seem likely to be a hit
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translation: clouds unwiling to vote shane due to BEING HIS MAFIA TEAMMATE

got em
 
bluedoom said:
M2H covered it but I'll explain: genisu is pretty young and not very experienced himself; by virtue of that as either alignment he's going to make a lot of logical inconsistencies. M2H and a fairy have fine cases on him and it doesn't feel opportunistic, however Shane basically dedicated a huge quote block to show why genisu's thought process doesn't check with his actions, but the thing is this would be 100% in line with town play from someone not experienced. Now Shane sounds like he's experienced in mafia so he should know that not every town player plays optimally yet he doubles down on the read and thinks that genisu should've voted differently.

I think what's getting clear in my head here is that the laser focus on genisu while not saying much on the other players is weird
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this is a fire post btw and captures the main essence of the issue i have with shane's read on genisu. yes you could say it's a result of shane not having played here before and so it's harder to dig the talons into reads on players you have no prior experience with, but i'm feeling like the points shane's leveraging for the scumread on genisu don't hold the weight that he claims them to. i see how they can get you somewhere but to a full-fledged scumread? not so sure
 
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