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Looking to try this out.

Lopunny (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cute Charm
EVs: 26 HP/252 Atk/232 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Magic Coat
- Sky Uppercut
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch


-Starter
-Magic Coat for Gengar, Crobat, anyone else who is obviously going to start with status
-Outspeeds Jolly Garchomp
-I don't like Focus Sash but I don't think she is sturdy enough for Lefties or LO and Expert Belt is fail imo.
-I don't want Klutz, Cute Charm is kinda neat.
-268-316 Ice Punch on every Garchomp in Analysis (assuming no yache)
-I don't remember if Intim is -1 or -2 Atk but between 190-224 and 144-170. If it's -2 then it's 3HKO on BulkyDos and almost always 2HKO if its -1. Still outspeeds Bulkydos after one DD.
 
I hope nobody has come up with this before because I spent a bit of time on it. Its not a new moveset, but a specially designed spread:

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Mamoswine @ Choice Band
Ability: Snow Cloak
EVs: 112 HP / 232 Atk / 52 Def / 112 Spe
Nature: Adamant
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Peck

This set was designed for one of my teams which had a fairly large weakness to Garchomp and Tyranitar if they got a Swords Dance/Dragon Dance. I needed a counter to both and I only had one available spot on the team: Mamoswine fits.

Switching into any Garchomp other than Chain Chomp, the strongest attack Mamoswine needs to be able to take is an Adamant Outrage from Scarfchomp.

Adamant 252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs 112/52 Mamoswine: 62.98% - 74.04%

This ensures that switching into Garchomp's strongest initial attack, Mamoswine will survive even with Stealth Rock and one layer of Spikes on the field. He can then return fire with Ice Shard, which will OHKO any Garchomp that doesn't have 252 HP EVs and a large investment in Defense:

Adamant CB 252 Atk Mamoswine Ice Shard vs min/min Garchomp: 126.89% - 149.30%
Adamant CB 252 Atk Mamoswine Ice Shard vs 252/min Garchomp: 107.86% - 126.90%

You get the idea.

Alternatively, Mamoswine switches in on Substitute or Swords Dance; He beats either set simply by Ice Sharding. Swords Dance Chomp has to switch out immediately and Sub Chomp can only use moves weaker than Outrage if it doesn't want to get locked in and killed on the second turn.

As for Tyranitar, a CB Adamant Stone Edge does 80.21% - 94.34%. In return, Mamoswine easily OHKO's with Earthquake. Mamoswine can switch in, take the hit, and return fire before dying; His 112 Speed EVs get him 224 Speed, enough to outrun Adamant Tyranitar.

A Tyranitar who Dragon Dances on the switch in will do the same amount to Mamoswine with Stone Edge (less if the Tyranitar is Jolly), and can still be killed with Earthquake. As for BOAH, Mamoswine will switch in on the Sub, take 80.98% - 95.37% from the Focus Punch while he breaks the Sub, then outspeed and OHKO with Earthquake.

As a side note, while Mamoswine in no way counters Gyarados, if he can come in on a standard BulkyGyara before it gets a DD (unlikely, but possible), it outspeeds and has a good chance to OHKO with Stone Edge (91.67% - 107.81%), and its a 100% OHKO with Stealth Rock. He also can't take Heracross 1-on-1, but Peck does 106.31% - 125.25% to a min/min 'Cross switching in. Peck could be replaced with Avalanche or Ice Fang if you'd prefer a stronger STAB Ice attack.

And that's my anti-Chomp, anti-Tyranitar Mamoswine. Obviously it works best with Wish support, but that's a small price to pay if you're in need of a way to stop these two beasts. I should also note that it's possible to run Expert Belt (not Life Orb, the recoil kills you) and get similar results; Garchomp needs less HP/Def to survive Ice Shard, Tyranitar is still slaughtered by EQ, and min/min Heracross isn't always OHKO'd by Peck without SR/spikes support. Still, if you've got too many Choice users on your team already, Expert Belt is certainly usable.
 
Ah, true. I hadn't factored that in. He still might not OHKO with Stone Edge (although Mamo's chances of survival are slim). Something to watch out for, I guess.
 
Really not sure if someone posted this set before, but I've been using this Lucario with a lot of success.

Lucario (♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Inner Focus
EVs: 200 Atk/252 Spd/56 SAtk
Naughty nature (+Atk, -SDef)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Dark Pulse

Max speed obviously, 56 SAtk hits 266 which is the minimum sp. atk to ohko min hp/def Garchomp iirc. The thing I like about this set is if let's say a Blissey switches in to take a Dark Pulse I used on a Gengar, it will think I'm wearing specs. So, if I can switch into a Blissey safely, they'll think I'm about to Aura Sphere and Flamethrower variants will try to OHKO Luke.

+Spd nature may work better, but I'm not sure. Sadly, it may lose to Chomp if you don't know it's item. ><;
 
I think this is new:

Articuno@Leftovers
Calm
252 HP, 252 DF, 6 SPD
Mind Reader
Sheer Cold
Haze
Roost

An amazing staller and stealthy killer. Bulky enough to take a hit and fight back with sheer cold. Obviously not for OHK clause battles. Haze is there to prevent any stall wars and generally annoy the oppenent. Roost for much needed healing.
 
Killerofblisseys said:
I think this is new:

Articuno@Leftovers
Calm
252 HP, 252 DF, 6 SPD
Mind Reader
Sheer Cold
Haze
Roost

An amazing staller and stealthy killer. Bulky enough to take a hit and fight back with sheer cold. Obviously not for OHK clause battles. Haze is there to prevent any stall wars and generally annoy the oppenent. Roost for much needed healing.
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I really don't see the point of Mind Reader on this set. Any smart opponent is going to switch out once they see Articuno use Mind Reader;(Essentially having Sheer Cold have it's base accuracy, unless the mechanics of Mind Reader have changed where it effects the opponent even if they switch) that's only going to work if you used Umbreon to pass a Mean Look to Articuno or your facing there last pokemon.

Also could you elaborate further on how "Haze is there to prevent any stall wars and generally annoy the oppenent"?

EDIT:

To salvage this set, Mind Reader could be used in conjunction with Roar to cause double switches, racking up spikes damage. Mind Games could ensue if they think your going to Roar and then you hit them with a 100% Acc Sheer Cold.
 
Not the most creative ever, but changed enough to be interesting... here's mine.
Gyarados@Leftovers
Jolly Nature
212 HP for max Leftovers recovery
100 Speed EVs (1 more point than most Gyara)
180 Defense (recommended)
16 Attack (remaining points)
Attacks: Thunder-Wave
Stone Edge
Waterfall
Dragon Dance

I've never seen another gyara with T-Wave, and that crippled opponents lead won't enjoy Stone Edge, especially if it's not another Gyarados. Dragon Dance is in case I get paralyzed myself, and to increase my lower than average attack. (for Gyarados anyway). Works amazingly with a Substitute from Vaporeon, or I could always switch out Garchomp or another pokemon that doesn't mind an electric or rock attack. My only problem thusfar has been people switching out their electivires. Gotta find a counter to those guys.
 
Ok... I needed a way to remove Toxic Spikes so I could replace Rapid Spin on Starmie with Blizzard, and I needed a Heracross counter. Well... Here it is.

Muk @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Defense
Impish

Curse
Rest
Poison Jab / filler
Fire Punch / Ice Punch / Thunder Punch

Choice Band Jolly Heracross Close Combat is a 4HKO in clear weather (I run a Hail team, so its possibly a 3HKO sadly). Curse lets it bulk up to take on walls like Blissey. Poison Jab has 120 base power after STAB, and can hurt after a few Curses. The final move to hit either Bronzong or dragons. Fire Punch takes down Heracross if it tries to stay in. Thunderpunch hits Gyarados hard. 252/252 spread so it really can wall Hera. With 252 HP / 0 def Hera can easily 2-3HKO with Close Combat.

Any ideas on a better EV spread?
 
Always wanted to try something like this out.

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Aerodactyl @ Life Orb/Leftovers
Jolly
140 HP/194 Sp Def/176 Speed
Ability: Rock Head
Moveset:
-Taunt
-Roost
-Double Edge/EQ/Filler
-Crunch/Ice Fang/Filler

This is meant to be used in conjunction with a Hippowdon or Tyranitar to set up the sandstorm, preferrably the ladder, due to typing. With Sandstorm this thing's 234 special defense turns into a strong 351 special defense, which rivals some walls (although not the most common ones (aka Bliss)). Taunt is for crippling rival walls like Skarm which can otherwise just PHaze you away. Roost is for gaining that lost HP from Life Orb; alternatively you can run Leftovers if you don't like the idea of losing health every turn.

The HP EVs are for a nice even Leftovers recovery, and the speed EVs give it 374 speed to outspeed base 120 speeders (Dugtrio, Zam, etc). It honestly can't do much to Weavile since that will be Ice Sharding anyways, and either you can try to stall out Swellow (although not recommended, I'll have to run the calcs) to let burn/toxic and sandstorm sink in, but you probably don't want to take repeated hits with that base 65 HP. Rest is just dumped in special defense to make it bulkier.

The last two moves can be any general attack moves of your choice. You can run Double Edge (thanks to Rock Head, no recoil) to hit everything hard for the lack of attack and hit the ghosts with Crunch, EQ and Ice Fang which is only resisted by Bronzong IIRC, or something else.

I really want to run the calcs on this, because it seems like it could really work. Any particular Poke(s) I should run it against? Probably the obvious special attacking switch-ins, but I haven't tried this out yet so I don't know what really likes switching into it besides walls. >_>
 
Blue Harvest said:
Ok... I needed a way to remove Toxic Spikes so I could replace Rapid Spin on Starmie with Blizzard, and I needed a Heracross counter. Well... Here it is.

Muk @ Leftovers
252 HP / 252 Defense
Impish

Curse
Rest
Poison Jab / filler
Fire Punch / Ice Punch / Thunder Punch

Choice Band Jolly Heracross Close Combat is a 4HKO in clear weather (I run a Hail team, so its possibly a 3HKO sadly). Curse lets it bulk up to take on walls like Blissey. Poison Jab has 120 base power after STAB, and can hurt after a few Curses. The final move to hit either Bronzong or dragons. Fire Punch takes down Heracross if it tries to stay in. Thunderpunch hits Gyarados hard. 252/252 spread so it really can wall Hera. With 252 HP / 0 def Hera can easily 2-3HKO with Close Combat.

Any ideas on a better EV spread?
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Try this:

Muk@ Leftovers
252 HP| 100 SP DEF| 158 DEF
Impish

This would probably work better because you're boosting your Defense. You want to keep you Sp. Def up there do. This gives more balance to the set.
 
Ok...this may sound kinda silly but how about a MixTaria?...

Altaria @ Life Orb
Sassy?
100 HP 205 ATK 205 SP ATK
Roost
Dragon Pulse
EQ
Flamethrower

Ok, now I know this a stupid idea :P
 
Problem with that is Salamence does that particular job so much better. Brick Break is prefered as there's nothing that EQ has over Brick Break, because the minor Pokemon who stop the Dragon Pulse / Flamethrower combination are Blissey, etc.
 
SkarmBliss said:
It could be used in UU

Also Altaria has Pursuit, something that Mence lacks :|
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Try posting more damage calculations, but I think a mixed attacking Altaria is a mistake, even in UU. When going on the offensive, dragon dancing is the best route. Using Pursuit to chase down a Grumpig/Hypno is a fantastic option though.
 
Bronzong
Heat proof
sassy/ bold
Hp 252/def 180/ sp def 76
Block
gryo ball
exposion
trick room
This set works by countering it's counters
First block a pokemon that can Ko with fire blast
Then you can trick room
Then use gyro ball for damage/kill
Explsoin is for if death is imantant
 
onua021 said:
Bronzong
Heat proof
sassy/ bold
Hp 252/def 180/ sp def 76
Block
gryo ball
exposion
trick room
This set works by countering it's counters
First block a pokemon that can Ko with fire blast
Then you can trick room
Then use gyro ball for damage/kill
Explsoin is for if death is imantant
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You'd have the issue with a fair number of those Pokemon running around with Fire attacks resisting or not taking much damage (looking at Blissey). I think this'd probably be best against Azelf, which probably shouldn't be running into Bronzong in the first place. Garchomp is probably going to notice its Fire moves aren't doing too much and will start using Earthquake. But this would be nice against ScarfChomp.

Overall, you'd probably be better off forgetting Block. Which leaves you with a Trick Room Heatproof Bronzong.
 
Ok here, this might be THE garchomp counter?

Bronzong @ leftovers / wide lens (turning sand veil into 10%)
{Relaxed}
evs: 252 hp / 60 defence / 100 sdef / 92 attack or special attack
Ability : HEATPROOF
- Imprison
- Earthquake
- Gyro Ball / HP ice
- Hypnosis / stealth rock / reflect / block

come in on outrage, dragon claw, or swords dance, imprison while the fire blast or fire fang you. HP ice or gyro ball to kill it. The last move is for team support, or so garchomp does the equivalent of shit to you.

Earthquake + imprison renders garchomp nearly useless for damaging you.

Block could actually allow you to trap it, and kill it before it catches on..

I havent done any calcs, but i htink the EV spread is sufficent.

Thoughts??

IF YOU THINK THIS WORKS WELL, FEEL FREE TO RIP THIS AND PUT IT IN THE "GARCHOMP: THE MOST BROKEN POKEMON IN OU ", AS LONG AS YOU GIVE ME CREDIT ;)

And, BTW garchomp is most OU pokemon so this thing, especially with hypnosis or stealth rock would make it quite practical.
 
@ Chaoscrippler
Imprison disallows an enemy pokemon from using any moves that the Bronzong knows. It's works kinda like Disable. So Chomp won't be able to use Earthquake.

@ The Set
Seems a little overspecialized and Block + Imprison seems a little too much time to setup.

Example:
Garchomp use Dragon Claw!
Bronzong switches in.
---
Garchomp uses Fire Blast!
Bronzong uses Imprison!
---
Garchomp realizes he can't do jack and switches to Heatran (or any Bronzong Counter)!
Bronzong uses Block!
---
Heatran uses Fire Blast!
Bronzong Flees!

Now the next time, Zong comes in to "wall" Chomp, the Garchomp user will use Earthquake, noting the lessened damage from last time. You might as well just HP Ice, whilst Chomp uses Fire Blast/Fire Fang on your first encounter.
 
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