NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Alice Kazumi said:
There is a decent chance than she is. I also think she is on a different alignment than duskfall even even if both of them are scum, their ego battle makes me think so
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yeah i'd agree they're unpartnered, mainly due to how M2H was very concerned with how dusk woud perceive her once dusk himself entered the thread. i don't think that tracks with partnered behavior, it's either M2H strongly believing tommy should see her as town quite quickly or M2H being worried about tommy coming into thread and prying apart her position in the pseudo-towncore
 
Day 1.6 Votals
(3) genisu: saberslasher11, StupidFlandrs48, pulsar512b
(2) pulsar512b: Shane the Shroomish, M2H
(2) Duskfall98: HydrogenHydreigon
(2) Laurel: Duskfall98, Celever
(1) Celever: bluedoom
(1) joey: Laurel
(1) Shane the Shroomish: ImaginaryNeon
(1) Alice Kazumi: Clouds
(1) No Vote: JALMONT

Voteless: a fairy, Alice Kazumi, genisu, joey

You have 12.25 hours until phase end. With 17 alive, it takes 11 to hammer early.

edit: fixed a voteswap
 
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pulsar512b said:
acab btw glad im not police
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I went to a job fair the other day and literally the only actual recruiter there offering jobs to anyone was the police.

And their stall was in the bottleneck you had to go through to see what any of the other stalls were, so for the entire event you just had proletarians trying to queue past them with the most hostile body language imaginable so that they wouldn’t talk to you. And everyone was very good at it so that policewoman got to talk to like no one. Occasionally she’d tap people on their shoulder while their backs were turned and started tryna talk about the police and people would just say “no.” Or “not interested.” And turn their backs again
 
M2H said:
hi

also i wasn't 'writing you off' imo. i just think that you have a much stronger scum game than i do (tho i can still do fine on smogon atp). i also think that mafia meta/strength is somewhat of a zero sum game in that outside of some core proficiencies, town game strength and mafia game strength are antagonistic. a player with a strong scum game like you or DS has a worse town game or will have their town game stunted by perceptions of them. strong town players like ellibereth or hal in a smogon context will have the opposite problem where their town strength and reads become a liability. i don't see being a worse town player as being indicative of being a worse player overall because i think there are three scales: one for general competency (which is why trying to play the "same game" as both town and mafia is reductive--you have to be good at the game first) and two for how ones game is suited for specific alignments. i think you are very high on general competency and high on scum strength but lower on town because scum/town strength are antagonistic in nature. but your general competency is very high. mine is probably slightly lower but my game is highly specced for town play unless i tanked my meta.
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i agree with most of this, ftr and im not trying to shoot you down either, you are far more likely to win as town than i am, which makes you a better town player sure - i just think that there are facets of my town game which are, isolated quite good (its definitely not my reads), further stuff is going to get redundant however and no one wants to see the ego anymore if we are being real
 
i think genisu is towny for thread comfort i think, like his posts have at some points been weird but hes not really having trouble/struggling and banging out posts whenever hes in thread, regardless of peoples thoughts which usually comes from town
 
pulsar512b said:
i wonder if this is useful at all as info or we just wasted all this time on nothing.

i think clouds is sadly town because he gave specifics about the setup of town role pms, but also that setup he mentioned is inconsistent w mine so. thats a thing. do other ppl have their GREEN ROLE NAME related to their ABILITIES NOT IN GREEN or nah
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Mines related but also

Don’t (correctly) defend yourself against the dummies tryna turbo you over flavour and then townread Clouds for flavour lol

Scum were given safeclaims. Safeclaims are claims that are safe. Someone claiming something that feels unsafe means nothing, the likelihood of making up an unsafe claim (esp on D1) is approx 0%. Safe means safe relative to the other roles in the game. You don’t know every role so stop thinking about it.
 
i dont get the reason of the votes on pulsar, despite me not liking pulsars posts much

voting her for having a bad claim, when you are aware that the mafia has been provided with fake claims?
 
Ftr whether pulsar’s claiming a safe or real claim, I think it’s likely that Charlie made a (safe or real) role for Spinda and then realised right before the game started that Spinda’s only in Sky (I think?? M2H posted a wiki screenshot that seemed to say that) so they switched it to Magnezone quickly and forgot to / didn’t bother changing the word barista.

The title of the thread says Explorers, so it’s not Sky.
 
bluedoom said:
I also think Celever is scummy for not pushing clouds/me and instead voting laurel for being "the best of the presented wagons." There's misplaced conviction here and feels like scum waiting for thread direction to make whatever pushes they feel like making
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I was replying to the people in-thread at the time talking about which of you they thought was scummier, and I disagreed with Hydro and Shane about their reads. I never said you’re both scum or even that one of you is scum so this case is just inaccurate. Don’t see why I’d be the focal point of it over Hydro who brought you two up either (IIRC but maybe it was Shane)
 
bluedoom said:
I think my other problem with Celever is that he keeps using thread dynamics as a reason for his reads/vote without explaining what he thinks the thread dynamics actually are. And then going "everyone is null for me" is kinda bad tbh. Like yes ok you can be wrong about town reads but that just means you revisit them at a later phase, but saying that not even one person is townie/ a lot of people have scum equity feels like scum trying to prevent a town core from forming.
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I’ve explained the thread dynamics and had conversations with people about my reads on them (like Flandrs and I think M2H). I’ve been less active this game please ISO me lol
 
JALMONT said:
oh on pulsar. lowkey under the radar i think pulsar actually claims MORE then neon...this half claim feels weird to me though. has pulsar ever kind of done a claim like this? usually she just says it (including claiming cop as mafia). normally the claim is town but knowing that it's in her bag to claim as mafia makes me think differently. for that reason alone, i have to put it as slightly on the scum side..
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i like to think shes improving by not claiming, next game she might just not say anything at all which will be better again, but i dont think we should be targetting someone for playing in a way that helps town more than they have in the past, its like when psy plays a game super reasonably and then people get on his back for not tunneling the hell out of someone, its a positive improvement that should be encouraged imo

again i do think pulsar is votable, but its not for role claim reasons
 
Celever said:
I went to a job fair the other day and literally the only actual recruiter there offering jobs to anyone was the police.

And their stall was in the bottleneck you had to go through to see what any of the other stalls were, so for the entire event you just had proletarians trying to queue past them with the most hostile body language imaginable so that they wouldn’t talk to you. And everyone was very good at it so that policewoman got to talk to like no one. Occasionally she’d tap people on their shoulder while their backs were turned and started tryna talk about the police and people would just say “no.” Or “not interested.” And turn their backs again
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do english people not like the police?
 
Celever said:
Mines related but also

Don’t (correctly) defend yourself against the dummies tryna turbo you over flavour and then townread Clouds for flavour lol

Scum were given safeclaims. Safeclaims are claims that are safe. Someone claiming something that feels unsafe means nothing, the likelihood of making up an unsafe claim (esp on D1) is approx 0%. Safe means safe relative to the other roles in the game. You don’t know every role so stop thinking about it.
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signal boost
 
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