NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Clouds said:
just read 10 straight pages with me & laurel as a focal point at some moment during most pages, pretty cool

M2H has a legitimate reason to think it's scummy for me to claim the BPV and that just makes me townread them even more. jal technically agrees, but i feel like he's borderline uncharitable with it now because i've given him so many avenues to work with here, and he's committing to a very narrow mindset and hyperfocusing in on it. i'll say i'm not mafia, i think the concerns about the claim are justified, but you should try not to tunnel so much on this idea if you can help it. it's all for a reason... you're gonna have to look past that for now when reading me

townread: M2H, duskfall, bluedoom
townlean: hydro, laurel
light townlean: a fairy
1 mafia max, never both: shane, celever
direct poe: jalmont, flanders, joey, alice, genisu, neon

joey and neon are underlined because i don't see them being on the same mafia team, so if one of them was to flip mafia, the other is more or less safe from a vote in my eyes. this is linked to joey's treatment of neon's slot more than anything... if that's partnered then he faked things well

most notable shift in stance is probably jalmont. atp, the claim needs to happen so we can understand what happened during the night after his claim that probably should've gotten him nightkilled. neon i just don't see a great reason to put as a townread anymore because he's effectively done nothing, it's hard to justify townreading him even though i think. has partner equity with shane if shane was to flip mafia, i remember shane following up my neon townspewed thoughts by more or less agreeing and then ditching the subject altogether, which would be the sort of position i'd expect mafia to take if their partner was getting towncored for zero reason. this is a bit more tinfoil-y than i want to entertain right now, but it's still irking me that saber could've been the mafia nightkill over him. unless of course he wasn't the mafia kill, which is very possible as a martyr, but nobody's saying anything

#2,965 is an interesting post from genisu to me because my initial thought is to read this as something that would be informed if he was a partner to exactly 1 of them and so it'd suggest 1 flips with genisu if he was mafia, but trying to leverage town incorrectly thinking 1 mafia exists in a tvt situation is possible is absolutely possible too. still, think this sort of post tends to come from newer mafia that know 1 of their partners is in the equation, so if genisu was to flip mafia, i'd expect 1 of shane and celever to as well

flanders can flip with shane i think but i doubt they can be with celever, they buddied celever way too hard and straight up said celever was "beneficial to keep around" for them or something which is not phrasing you use when talking about a partner. 1 in flanders and celever though, this i see. forget shane and celever, this is the spicier difference check
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You aren’t being tunneled. I’m trying to figure out your motivation in claiming getting a bpv a play I don’t understand. Let’s not conflate the two
 
honestly don't know if i should be light townreading a fairy. she's in that category alone for a reason; my read on her is borderline too rooted in macro game thoughts where i think slots that are scummier have treated her slot more like she's town and so then that influences my view a bit. she has some thoughts that seem real, other times it feels like she's floating and content with things as they are, but all in all i wouldn't be able to say with any confidence that she's a mafia slot at this point in the game. my thoughts here are maybe more similar to joey where i feel that i'd like to see them both be more of a force this game so it's easier to understand their stances and see how they could truly believe what they're saying, but this isn't a simple, straightforward game by any means and so getting to a place where you're confident in your reads is tough. and i get that. i spent more than half of my drive home thinking about whether or not to vote celever, lol. and my thoughts on jalmont are so conflicting right now, more than cel even
 
Clouds said:
honestly don't know if i should be light townreading a fairy. she's in that category alone for a reason; my read on her is borderline too rooted in macro game thoughts where i think slots that are scummier have treated her slot more like she's town and so then that influences my view a bit. she has some thoughts that seem real, other times it feels like she's floating and content with things as they are, but all in all i wouldn't be able to say with any confidence that she's a mafia slot at this point in the game. my thoughts here are maybe more similar to joey where i feel that i'd like to see them both be more of a force this game so it's easier to understand their stances and see how they could truly believe what they're saying, but this isn't a simple, straightforward game by any means and so getting to a place where you're confident in your reads is tough. and i get that. i spent more than half of my drive home thinking about whether or not to vote celever, lol. and my thoughts on jalmont are so conflicting right now, more than cel even
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I mindmeld with the AF thoughts here
 
JALMONT I think me and Clouds are in agreement that it's harming the gamestate for you to hold info back. You only survived d1 because of the vig claim and now it seems that you either didn't shoot or your kill got fucked with. You said we could revisit this later in the day. I don't see a reason for you to hold back anymore.
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
Breloom fetus! How's it going, good luck with the catch up
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i've read everything, don't have anything to write (unprompted) right now

Alice Kazumi said:
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I changed the way I did the readlist and dropped the +1scum group because I feel like that's not the best way of solving this game. It's just too wide and doesn't solve anything unless they are all dead.
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i think the town reads in this reads list are, at bare minimum, what i'm comfortable locking as my "don't vote" pile right now (including alice, i'm in neighborhood with her and think she's villager)

the only person i'm wary of is HH, if Celever isn't a wolf I don't have a convincing reason to TR him (and to a certain extent i wonder if i'm giving his counterwagon attempt on Celever too much credit even in the world where Celever is a wolf)

bottom 4 is also almost meldable, i still think laurel is villa (i am now imagining that any wolf team would veto him giving clouds a vest and i don't buy them being partners at this point) and jalmont isn't with celever but if celever is villa have no reason to townread jalmont and so if celever is villa i think i'd vote in jalmont/AF next
 
i'm also not voting bluedoom or clouds today

thought more about clouds and what he's posted isn't out of range for a good wolf performance so i'm not townreading him as much but still see no reason to kill him today

bluedoom just seems villa enough to be honest
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
i'm also not voting bluedoom or clouds today

thought more about clouds and what he's posted isn't out of range for a good wolf performance so i'm not townreading him as much but still see no reason to kill him today

bluedoom just seems villa enough to be honest
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These views are entirely fair, clouds wagon isn't something I expect to hit the big time anyway unless tomorrow is REALLY that chaotic
 
Shane the Shroomish said:
that's where i'm at with the entire game i suppose, nothing too interesting

i have no clue what to think of tommy and genisu i don't think i'll ever have a confident read on, he keeps switching from scummy to towny for me
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I TR Tommy now that I've gotten the chance to directly talk with him more, nice to have that unknown sorted a little bit

Vote genisu if you wanna go the null slot route for a lack of better options ig, I might still join you
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
Yeah I'm kidding, I don't mind if we proceed under the assumption that you're Inventor. However I am still frustrated with how you're handling it, you should give items to ppl we agree are town and actually communicate beyond getting annoyed at people for calling your thread presence out
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i thought clouds was town and still do -shrug-
 
Celever said:
LOL sorry this is not really the correct response to me pointing out you pushing me without making a case is bad
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i want u out mostly for flipconomics to help figure out yesterday which is what i said when i voted u and because none of ur posts feel towny at all

ur just lucky jalmont is worse
 
M2H said:
JALMONT I think me and Clouds are in agreement that it's harming the gamestate for you to hold info back. You only survived d1 because of the vig claim and now it seems that you either didn't shoot or your kill got fucked with. You said we could revisit this later in the day. I don't see a reason for you to hold back anymore.
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Okay. Sorry to hear that - you are welcome to get a wagon on me and pressure me to get the information you want. I would probably put my energies elsewhere though.

I'm also open to entertaining an offer of no vote today and mass claim tomorrow and I will give you what you want and then some!
 
JALMONT said:
Okay. Sorry to hear that - you are welcome to get a wagon on me and pressure me to get the information you want. I would probably put my energies elsewhere though.

I'm also open to entertaining an offer of no vote today and mass claim tomorrow and I will give you what you want and then some!
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dude why are you so obsessed with no voting for one
for two considering there's a nonzero chance you holstered as vig for some reason last night i see no reason why we should go to night phase again
 
let's really think about this imagine the world in which i am mafia so i decided to claim vigilante let's assume that was the fake claim i was given.

can someone explain to me what i am gaining from approaching the situation like this????? oops SORRY guys i killed saber my top scum read lolz. "okay great jalmont nice try get em next time" etc etc. and then presumably my teammates bus me out one of the next two days. wow that sounds like a good strategy! what exactly is my big bright plan here? other than getting bussed? but why give up so easily when i literally could've made up some random shit and then no one would be talking about me! zzz

or i, a notoriously risk averse player made up being a vig to avoid a vote and get a cc. i would've picked cop to do that guys sorry
 
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