Cipher Admin Lovrina

Hey, do you want to conquer the ladder with milotic or not? :)

Do you want me to PM you some rain stall teams?

What team has trouble with bulky waters? I can tell you if its a paper weak, or if something just went wrong somehow.

Try one of the suggestions Alice gave you. XD

What do you usually lose to? Breloom's bulk was meant for Excadrill, but its still useful.

That bulky offense team still doesn't seem bad at all. It still works for me. Although yeah, I like the stall team more.

Good teams don't die easily, but all teams get better or worse over time. Its impossible to make a team which is good forever.

Scarf Terrakion is the best scarfer for this team. Dropping it would weaken the team.

Semi stall or stall based balanced is a more offensive take on stall, but just stick with what you have right now. You only used it for one day.

I don't want to build "cute" teams just for you not to like them, or for you to stop playing them after one day. I could be building top tier tournament teams, without limiting myself or weakening the team for cute pokemon. With team building, I just go with the flow with whatever I feel like. Being forced to use more obscure pokemon is like trying to build a successful monotype team in a way. The usage of Latias, Virizion, and Milotic is like building a team of half UU/half OU. Lower usage doesn't mean bad, it just means they are more niche. Meaning they fit well on less teams. Its easier said than done with me trying to get my life together. :[

It doesn't seem tedious at all. Scarf Terrakion is your "catch all" sweeper pokemon. It can also sweep late game with entry hazards.

Two phazers? Nothing wrong with that. That is very standard on stall. 1 or 2 is common. Two taunters? How do you expect to beat rain stall? The team also uses all the burners, taunters, phazers, and terrakion is so heavy offense doesn't rip you a new asshole. It can really destroy unprepared stall. When I mean destroy, I mean "no hope" destroy.

My DPP OU Heavy Offense team has an extremely strong matchup against Obi Stall - an archived RMT. As you can see, unprepared stall gets wrecked. Momentum + hazards can break stall too. These are just some precautions without hurting the team against many other relavent things.

If you want to make some room, you can always use Jellicant > Milotic. Then drop Sabelye for something else.

Its not overkill at all. You don't run Toxic Spikes, and the physically inclined metagame really hates burns. It essentially means sweepers will not get a ghost of a chance to set-up at all.

Scald is STAB, and who said you have to use WoW when something is already burned? Thats like saying "don't use Stealth Rock, its overkill." Since you can only use it once. ^^

Pretty has nothing to do with competitive, you know that right? XD

you need "normal" spikes, so if you can't fit another spiker such as skarm or something, then stick to spikes

If you can tho, Tspikes are nice

"I'm sorry... I just feel like such a fail player..."

Cheer up, and make sure you listen to me when I criticize certain plays you make on PO when I watch you. XD

When you say "Milotic is not even close" you also must realize beauty/pretty is in the eye of the beholder. Most good players wouldn't even touch Milotic otherwise. It may not be a bullshit pokemon to you, but some people may think differently. People just have different standards. ^^

Making teams with multiple niche pokemon is pretty hard, but just bare with us.

well actually, the hot trend in meta is DS Hyper Offense... which is weak to toxic spikes, so it's not like completely "out of the question" :P, but spikes do fare better in the team you told me due to random burns by milo and tran

I am talking about the cute pokemon only you like.

The stall team.

about the duos, milotic-roserade fares well because they have not only typing synergy, but also hazards+dtail; the rest doesn't have that much synergy in that matter (latias/virizion sort of have typing synergy, but somehow those cores seem uncomplete)

Sure, just tell me when you're available on PO (since you told me you didn't want to log in due to college issues)

the team was shuffle stall with spdef dtail milo, spdef tran, sableye, mew, skarm and cs terrakion iirc; I told you you could switch either skarm for ferro or mew for celebi to handle rain and rotom-w better...

You are the one who said its been testing so well. Perhaps it looks like you are learning. ;)

Try Spec'd Starmie too. Tournament scene, meaning we try to make a fucking wrecker team. Meaning fuck cute pokemon right?

Stall takes up way too much time for laddering. Its good for tournaments, playing in general, or on the top of the ladder though. You have been using it on ladder, correct?

Life Orb Milotic. If it would really make you happy, I guess we could try it...

Just some food for thought. None of the best teams were created in one night, and perfected in one day. I still tweak and improve teams which are over a year old to this day. Do you see the RMTs in the RMT archive? Want to know why the EV's look so fancy? Because of trial and error, and plenty of testing.

Rotom-H might be usable on a Sun team but I probably wouldn't use it. Mind coming on Pokemon Online so I can watch you test? We can also talk there.

Its okay if you seem bitchy, I am used to dealing with two women at home. Guys just need to learn to deal with it sometimes.

I know you do, and that is what I like to do. I even do that with my best teams. Although I have like a perfect Sub Petaya Empoleon team in gen 4. Would I actually use the team in a tournament? No. Since it loses to like every team and every playstyle. Not saying Milotic is like that, but still. There is just better options for creativity right now, and that goes for many pokemon. Including Spec'd Kingdra, my favorite. :(

A lot of those bullshit pokemon aren't so bullshit if they have a strong reliable niche in the OU tier. What bullshit pokemon are you talking about? Any particular ones you are thinking about? Milotic is just very hard pressed imo. Alice's team is good, and you only used it for one day. I haven't gave up on you as long as I knew you. Are you just going to give up on a team in only one day?

I played with it myself and I personally find it a lot of fun. I am actually very thankful that Alice built it since I have actually been using it a lot. We are willing to work with you, and give Milotic a chance. The thing is, are you actually willing to test, spot out more problems, and get some practice? Yes, and there is always a "way" to find the right one.. but that doesn't mean everything. That team I PM'd you is very good btw. ^^

Forretress is a great pokemon. It just takes more effort and thinking to play it. It Rapid Spins, Toxic Spikes, Spikes, Gyro Balls. It just can't be played mindlessly like Skarmory. It needs to be played much more conservatively. Survival first, spiking later. Double switches are also key because it lacks Whirlwind and gets set-up on. Wish support is also very neccessary for it imo.

I decided to use Forretress because Wish Blissey just feels better for generic support, and because a spinner is always nice. We don't exactly need Skarmory's Whirlwind when you have Milotic eh? (Whirlwind is much better than Dragon Tail. Skarmory is also more annoying. :\)

Lightsworns are a good deck. Always have, always will be. Rescue Harpies.., I wonder how consistent those can be. Just netdeck a quickdraw deck for Fleur.

If you have 3 electric/grass weaks with 3 resists for each type, you might be okay. I wouldn't call it, or any of those cute teams metagame destructive though.

Forretress | Milotic (Jellicant) | Wish Blissey

You don't need a phazer really. Its something which is nice, but unneccesary. A spinblocker is more important for this team.

Those cores are all... too cute. *pukes*

I think its a pretty large stretch lol. I wouldn't use Milotic otherwise. You are forcing me to be a little more creative here. :P

4 pokemon that can heal is good for long games, but it doesn't mean a wallbreaker won't beat you, and it won't mean you won't lose to stall with a spinner. Be careful.

Try Scarf Haxorus and maybe SR Celebi. Multitasking right now, so there might be two pokemon which fit better. (more than likely the case.)

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78092 - You are using a Scarfed Rotom-h. What is the difference between that and a Wish Blissey? They are both illegal without a cheating device on wifi, unless you are lucky enough to have a Wish Bliss.

Toxic Spikes is something which would be nice but isn't neccesary. Room is tight, and you already spam status.

Scarfed Latias is silly. It is Pursuit bait, easily walled, is set-up bait for a lot of things, and its kind of like a bad Scarf Latios.

I think we shouldn't use Whimsicott + Sabelye. It feels very redundant on such a slow team without many win conditions. Hazards isn't always enough. Too much status, and if Blissey has Stealth Rock it means more things come in against Blissey and start ripping into the team.

I feel Whimsicott + Sabelye would be better on a team with 4 beaters. Since you can revenge and annoy things with Sabelye/Whimsicott while supporting a sweep.

Oh, that's upsetting... Sableye it is then... What do you think of Whimsicott--if he's doing stun spore, we can give Blissey Stealth Rock!