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Tournaments RBYPL VII - Commencement Thread

Hello RBY fandom, thank you to all of the RBYPL Teams for submitting their PRs! Here are the long awaited results! We're submitting this a day after all responses were submitted!
Manager Pairs
1. :hitmonchan: Saffron Haymakers(Amaranth + Samuelbest)1.142857143
2. :diglett: Deadbeat Dugtrios(Wanted in 49 States + Ctown6)2.428571429
3. :ditto: Misinfo MissingNo(YBW + PKMN Master)2.857142857
4. :articuno: Glacial Articunos(Teh + GirlsSeeGhosts)4.142857143
5. :ninetales: Nine Inch Ninetales(violet river + Sabelette)4.571428571
6. :alakazam: Indigo Illusion(King Billu and Ulti Bastion)4.666666667
7. :dewgong: Ding Dang Dewgongs(Stunner047 and Sheik)5.857142857
8. :mankey: Pampu Primeapes(Tree69420 and quacc)6.125

OU Best-of-5
1. :mankey: Serpi(Primeapes)1.285714286
2 :hitmonchan:Amaranth(Haymakers)1.571428571
3. :dewgong: Laroxyl(Dewgongs)3
4. :ditto: spies(Missingnos)4.571428571
5. :diglett: Ctown6(Dugtrios)4.714285714
5. :alakazam: Ulti Bastion(Illusions)4.714285714
7. :ninetales:violet river(Ninetales)5.285714286
8. :articuno: RealJester(Articunos)6.857142857

OU Best-of-3
1. :diglett: Kristyl(Dugtrios)1.857142857
1. :hitmonchan: oligen1(Haymakers)1.857142857
3. :ditto: NotVeryCake(Missingnos)3.142857143
4. :dewgong: TheStupe(Dewgongs)4.571428571
5. :dewgong: BlazingDark(Dewgongs)6.285714286
6. :ditto: virae(Missignos)7.428571429
7. :diglett: Cow(Dugtrios)7.571428571
8. :mankey: Melbelle(Primeapes)9.571428571
9. :ditto: Bedschibaer(Missingnos)10
10. :alakazam: TPM(Illusions)10.14285714
11. :alakazam: King Billu(Illusions)10.28571429
11. :ditto: Mysterious M(Missingnos)11.28571429
13. :articuno: Quarante8(Articunos)12.14285714
14. :alakazam: Justamente(Illusions)12.42857143
15. :diglett: oakdeon(Dugtrios)12.71428571
16. :articuno: phoopes(Articunos)13.28571429
17. :ninetales: SpoiledBerries(Ninetales)13.57142857
18. :mankey: Deezcastforms(Primeapes)14.71428571
19. :mankey: Keshba54(Primeapes)15.57142857
20. :articuno: Gamebooadvanced(Articunos)16.57142857
21. :mankey: Corvinus(Primeapes)17.85714286
22. :hitmonchan: Fighting Jellyfish(Haymakers)18.14285714
23. :diglett: BIG WILL(Dugtrios)20.42857143
23. :articuno: Soda Eesti(Articunos)20.42857143
25. :ninetales: anesidora(Ninetales)21
26. :hitmonchan: MGdos16(Haymakers)21.42857143
27. :ninetales: Medeia(NInetales)22
28. :dewgong: Bedal Roscoe(Dewgongs)23.28571429
29. :hitmonchan: Nimrra1(Haymakers)24
30. :ninetales: Padeli(Ninetales)25.57142857
31. :alakazam: alidakiller(Illusions)27.42857143
31. :dewgong: Mok3s(Dewgongs)27.42857143

Ubers
1. :ditto: YBW(Missingnos)1.571428571
2. :ninetales: Sabelette(Ninetales)1.714285714
3. :articuno: Premonitions(Articunos)3.142857143
4. :mankey: The Strap(Primeapes)3.428571429
5. :diglett: betathunder(Dugtrios)4.142857143
6. :alakazam: pixie909(Illusions)5.285714286
7. :hitmonchan: Samu77(Haymakers)5.714285714
8. :dewgong: NDK(Dewgongs)7

UU
1. :dewgong: Fc(Dewgongs)1.428571429
2. :hitmonchan: ThatOneApple(Haymakers)1.571428571
3. :articuno: Teh(Articunos)2.857142857
4. :mankey: pac(Primeapes)4.428571429
5. :alakazam: Mrbanana45(Illusions)4.571428571
6. :ninetales: evakiyama!(Ninetales)5.142857143
7. :ditto: User [738106](Missingnos)5.428571429
8. :diglett: FighterFrog(Dugtrios)6.571428571

NU
1. :ninetales: Toxin Boost(Ninetales)1.142857143
2. :mankey: THE_CHUNGLER(Primeapes)1.857142857
3. :dewgong: hammer798(Dewgongs)2.857142857
4. :diglett: Sotina(Dugtrios)3.571428571
5. :articuno: BeatsBlack(Articunos)4.857142857
6. :ditto: Click>Think(Missingnos)5.285714286
7. :alakazam: yimb(Illusions)6
8. :hitmonchan: Duke Sux(Haymakers)6.428571429

PU
1. :hitmonchan: ButtGallon(Haymakers)1.142857143
2. :articuno: Volk(Articunos)2.571428571
3. :alakazam: Zpice(Illusions)3
3. :ninetales: Plague(Ninetales)3
5. :ditto: hex(Missingnos)5
6. :diglett: Inazuma-Fulgur(Dugtrios)5.428571429
7. :mankey: boomp(Primeapes)5.857142857
8. :dewgong: PHB11677(Dewgongs)6

Random Battles
1. :diglett: Mikon(Dugtrios)1.285714286
2. :alakazam: Lady Writer(Illusions)1.714285714
3. :hitmonchan: MrSoup(Haymakers)3.142857143
4. :ditto: royzin(Missingnos)3.428571429
5. :articuno: Kingslayer Caterpie(Articunos)4
6. :dewgong: Prussian-Jaeger(Dewgongs)5.571428571
7. :mankey: Panty&Stockings(Primeapes)6.285714286
8. :ninetales: blundergoth(Ninetales)6.571428571
Total Average Points

1. :hitmonchan: Saffron Haymakers3.140873016
2. :ditto: Misinfo Missignos3.836309524
3. :diglett: Deadbeat Dugtrios3.910714286
4. :articuno: Glacial Articunos4.084325397
5. :ninetales: Nine Inch Ninetales4.096230159
6. :mankey: Pampu Primeapes4.156498016
7. :alakazam: Indigo Illusions4.259920635
8. :dewgong: Ding Dang Dewgongs 4.489087302
 
So King Billu has been banned and the Illusionists have been hampered to the point they can't reasonably be expected to win the tour for the very definition of guilty until proven innocent regarding alitakiller (potentially) being an alt. I know that it started as an investigation into if it was Billu's alt but it's well past that at this point and it's been shown at the very least, Alita is not Billu. This is straight up embarrassing and the most disgraceful thing I think has ever happened to this community and RBYPL. Is there any actual evidence billu knew he was drafting an alt, because there hasn't been any evidence shown of why this ban happened and the very act of simply drafting an alt unknowingly is not a crime (shown by Ulti Bastion not getting banned). It was also said this ban is "unrelated to RBYPL" in the ban post. It quite literally is related to this tour, someone has to show the reasoning and logs.

"I would submit an appeal with a detailed account of everything you do know, including when you met alidakiller, and try your best to find some of the evidence you were not able to provide me such as you and your managers discussion for buying him, the replays and logs of you talking about drafting him. Anything you can find to prove your complete innocence in this would make removing the tourban trivial"
- guilty until proven innocent, proof right here from the mouth itself, while also proving that this ban was given because of rbypl.

Save this tournament and unban billu. I don't care about petty Discord beefs or whatever, this is just a matter of integrity and fairness and the right not to be played around for something this serious, nobody should make it about these beefs as such and we should all be able to say as a community, not just for Billu, but for the Indigo Illusions as a whole and integrity, that there are big questions that need answered.
 
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"I would submit an appeal with a detailed account of everything you do know, including when you met alidakiller, and try your best to find some of the evidence you were not able to provide me such as you and your managers discussion for buying him, the replays and logs of you talking about drafting him. Anything you can find to prove your complete innocence in this would make removing the tourban trivial"
- guilty until proven innocent, proof right here from the mouth itself, while also proving that this ban was given because of rbypl.
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The evidence is stacked against Billu honestly, never seen such an undraftable account get such good results with no explanation for why you'd even pick them and even less for their results.

If you can get anyone for 3k, there's no justification for this draft decisions

I will say however this person should've been investigated immediately post draft, not after week 1 and god forbid after week 3. Way too late
 

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I want to reiterate that RBYPL hosts/mods had nothing to do with King Billu's ban (nor alida's). I had asked the smogon team to look into suspicions of alida alting, and I was informed they were already investigating. I then heard nothing until Maris, Yash, and I were informed ~30mins prior to the ban coming down, and we prepared announcements based on the information we had. At this point, we still know about as much about the details of the bans as the rest of the player base. Until the appeal process is complete, we won't know more (although we can obvious speculate). Once the appeal is finalized, further action can be taken or redacted. If Billu is able to successfully appeal the ban, obviously we can reverse the decision. Currently, this is even above the RBY mods, let alone the RBYPL hosts.

As for our treatment of the team, we have been as lenient as possible towards the Illusions. We are allowing a refund on the player (alida) and selection of a new player. We are supporting Ulti's plausible deniability to continue managing and replace his comanager. I also personally strongly advocated for King Billu to manage this year, despite multiple players messaging me saying they didn't think he should. So let's not pretend the hosts are conspiring against the number 1 team, as that is a silly accusation. We are taking every possible step to support the team through this moment.

All the above being said, if the bans stand, then that likely means King Billu conspired against the rest of RBYPL and the RBY community to cheat in our most prestigious tour. Hopefully that isn't the case, but, if it is, it is a pretty damming accusation. The fact that some people are jumping to attacking the hosts instead of the suspected cheating is wild to me. Let the process play out and see what happens before raising the pitchforks.

NotVeryCake said:
This is straight up embarrassing and the most disgraceful thing I think has ever happened to this community and RBYPL.
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NotVeryCake said:
They even falsely said this ban is "unrelated to RBYPL" in their ban post.
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comments like this are overly aggressive and are part of the reason why you keep getting into trouble. You don't have all the information, wait a minute before you lash out (you can post support of billu or requesting more information without getting aggressive).
 
Acetylaldehyde said:
I want to reiterate that RBYPL hosts/mods had nothing to do with King Billu's ban (nor alida's). I had asked the smogon team to look into suspicions of alida alting, and I was informed they were already investigating. I then heard nothing until Maris, Yash, and I were informed ~30mins prior to the ban coming down, and we prepared announcements based on the information we had. At this point, we still know about as much about the details of the bans as the rest of the player base. Until the appeal process is complete, we won't know more (although we can obvious speculate). Once the appeal is finalized, further action can be taken or redacted. If Billu is able to successfully appeal the ban, obviously we can reverse the decision. Currently, this is even above the RBY mods, let alone the RBYPL hosts.

As for our treatment of the team, we have been as lenient as possible towards the Illusions. We are allowing a refund on the player (alida) and selection of a new player. We are supporting Ulti's plausible deniability to continue managing and replace his comanager. I also personally strongly advocated for King Billu to manage this year, despite multiple players messaging me saying they didn't think he should. So let's not pretend the hosts are conspiring against the number 1 team, as that is a silly accusation. We are taking every possible step to support the team through this moment.

All the above being said, if the bans stand, then that likely means King Billu conspired against the rest of RBYPL and the RBY community to cheat in our most prestigious tour. Hopefully that isn't the case, but, if it is, it is a pretty damming accusation. The fact that some people are jumping to attacking the hosts instead of the suspected cheating is wild to me. Let the process play out and see what happens before raising the pitchforks.
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I realised my post came off in the wrong light immediately after posting it and edited it hours ago at this point to remove the direct accusations against the hosts (check the edit timestamp if you don't believe me). Those quotations didn't exist anymore when you posted this so I'm not sure where you got them from. Of course the hosts cannot ban Billu as none of them are mods, but with the official reason given for his ban being "Team Tournament Ban" it's definitely linked to Alita and RBYPL, so I initially assumed the hosts knew more about why the ban was given, but after hearing from some hosts I've discovered they know as little as we do regarding it. Which is still a large communication failure from the TDs / mods that gave the punishment out.

It's impossible to fairly just "wait and see" when every day and hour that passes without answers or a reversal of the ban is irreversible damage against the Illusions and the tour as a whole, especially when the available info to both the general community and the hosts suggests heavily that a guilty until proven innocent line has been taken (r.e the quote in my above post directly from the mod and the ban reason listed). It's a damning accusation sure, but everyone deserves the answer to if they're anything more than just "accusations". "It looks suspicious. We may have no evidence but he should still be banned" as some people have been saying is no where near enough for an actual ban. The impact this ban has on the tour is monumental, and the community hasn't been given the necessary respect deserved regarding the clear communication it should come with.
 
Inazuma-Fulgur said:
The evidence is stacked against Billu honestly, never seen such an undraftable account get such good results with no explanation for why you'd even pick them and even less for their results.
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And this is evidence how?
This is speculation and placing burden of proving innocence on people without actually presenting hard evidence
If u truly feel the case is "stacked against us" i suggest you reevaluate how you think about these things
 
just wanted to provide an update now that we've finished reassessing information privy to us (TDs), both old and new

First, we apologize for the time it has taken to provide a response. We understand the frustration surrounding the delay, but many of those involved in reviewing this matter have full-time jobs and other commitments outside the community. Properly investigating the situation, reviewing the available evidence, and reassessing information as it develops takes time, and we wanted to give this matter the attention it deserves. While we understand the desire for a quicker resolution, we ask that people recognize the work involved in handling these situations responsibly and allow us the time necessary to reach an informed conclusion rather than rushing to judgment.

Regarding King Billu and alidakiller:
The investigation identified a number of concerning circumstances surrounding the relationship between these accounts. Over an extended period, King Billu repeatedly logged into a static IP address associated with alidakiller, including in the days leading up to alidakiller's account registration. King Billu also challenged alidakiller on the day the account was created, despite the two not having previously played against each other in a ladder match. We also found no prior chat history establishing a relationship between the two. Their interactions over the first two years consisted of privately challenged RandBats rather than RBYOU.

Despite invitations to watch King Billu play RBYOU in September of this year, the accounts did not play the format against each other until mid-October, with the exception of one ladder game near the end of September, nearly a week after alidakiller had already signed up for RBYPL. There were no chatlogs associated with that game, either.

More significantly, statements made by King Billu during the investigation regarding how the two knew each other were demonstrably incorrect. These included claims that they had tested RBYOU before the tournament and had discussed the tournament together in these matches. No supporting digital records were provided, and the challenge history we could identify across the accounts King Billu supplied did not support the claims made about their prior interactions.

Taken together, the two users’ activity and the demonstrably false explanations provided to tournament directors warranted further scrutiny. Based on these findings, we determined that a tournament ban was an appropriate response to the false information provided. As with any infraction issued on the site, the decision is appealable, and we remain open to further investigation if and when additional information becomes available. However, our ability to reassess the situation is currently limited by the information uncovered through our own investigation and the claims we have already found to be contradicted by the available evidence.

Regarding alidakiller and kinguzi96:
As the initial investigation progressed and we moved away from the suspicion that King Billu and alidakiller were potential alts, we also identified circumstances warranting scrutiny of the relationship between alidakiller and kinguzi96. The two accounts had been active from the same location earlier this year, participated in overlapping activities—including signing up for another circuit tournament at approximately the same time—and appeared to play the same tiers. Based on these circumstances and additional evidence that will not be disclosed publicly, alidakiller was tournament banned for signing up for a circuit tournament on both their main account and a presumed alt.

Following additional verification of information provided after the infractions were issued, we established that alidakiller and kinguzi96 are separate users. As a result, the basis for the ban was no longer supported, and we will be reverting their bans immediately (though alidakiller will still receive an insulted other member infraction for unsportsmanlike behavior related to RBYPL). We acknowledge that our original decision was incorrect.

Ultimately, we recognize the importance of both making informed decisions and being willing to reassess them when new information emerges. Our responsibility is to protect the integrity of tournaments and the community while ensuring that our decisions are grounded in the available evidence. If you have any further questions regarding this matter, you're welcome to DM me at any time. I'll share any additional information that is appropriate for public disclosure while respecting the privacy of those involved and the integrity of the investigation.
 
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