if every teams plays each other you are talking about a 4 to 6 month long tournament. no one wants thatsnake sucks! we all know this! help me draft some new ideas.
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*mini team tournament! 15-20 teams of smaller sizes, 5-7 ppl each, perhaps with some sneak level individual/team mechanics? idk but a small team situation seems kinda fun imo
*help plz spitball any idea
Please, pay a bit more attention to this, a tour with a similar format (well, imo there is no point in trying to preserve the snake draft in this) would solve quite a few issues..I came up with a loosely constructed idea for an individual/team tournament mixture a few months ago.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q8ff5apyi1GsmfpMJfeoqYnEPyQPb057S8_letRVhF0/edit?usp=sharing
Seconding that this kind of open qualification into some kind of draft format would be an interesting departure from existing formats. I would suggest live swiss for the weekly qualification tours followed by an auction draft rather than a snake draft. This format would give managers an immediate and relevant point of reference (the qualification live tours) from which to formulate a draft plan.I came up with a loosely constructed idea for an individual/team tournament mixture a few months ago.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q8ff5apyi1GsmfpMJfeoqYnEPyQPb057S8_letRVhF0/edit?usp=sharing
Only if you count booting DOU down to representation in one official tournament as not hurting anyoneSnake is a tour that isn’t particularly compelling and never has particularly great storylines, so getting rid of it wouldn’t really hurt anyone in particular.
Very low hype, the draft plays itself and there are no team identities. A lot of people remembers the SPL teams names and forgets all the snake names for example. The comencement thread for snake 3 had a whooping 3 pages whereas SPL ones usually have 20 pages or more. It's just not regarded as high as SPL is and feels like a SPL warmup or a team tournament that exists just to fill the calendar.Only if you count booting DOU down to representation in one official tournament as not hurting anyone
I've never quite understood the disdain for Snake, even entirely separated from the fact that DOU is involved. I've had just as much fun participating in Snake as I have in SPL all things considered, and I can't remembering noticing a big difference in how I've perceived my teammates' enjoyment between the two team tournaments either. I kinda feel like the general issue with Snake is purely just everyone's attitude about it and not anything inherently wrong with the tournament itself. If some top players start saying "man snake sucks let's get rid of it" then the masses will agree without really thinking about it much themselves. Is Snake actually problematic in its own right or do people just not regard it as highly as something like SPL or the individual trophy tours?
That's kinda my point though, the only thing you mentioned that has to do with the tournament itself is the draft and everything else is just people's perception of it. Obviously that's still important for what is meant to be a premier tournament, but I have a hunch that people mainly dislike Snake because they see other people not liking it and not because there's actually something wrong with the tournament. Not saying there's an easy fix because just saying "care more" is definitely not a long term solution and probably wouldn't even come close to working, but I don't think removing snake altogether is the right answer either.Very low hype, the draft plays itself and there are no team identities. A lot of people remembers the SPL teams names and forgets all the snake names for example. The comencement thread for snake 3 had a whooping 3 pages whereas SPL ones usually have 20 pages or more. It's just not regarded as high as SPL is and feels like a SPL warmup or a team tournament that exists just to fill the calendar.
I agree, you guys act its some crime that with 3 team tournaments one is going to be the least popular... like ya thats kind of how things work.That's kinda my point though, the only thing you mentioned that has to do with the tournament itself is the draft and everything else is just people's perception of it. Obviously that's still important for what is meant to be a premier tournament, but I have a hunch that people mainly dislike Snake because they see other people not liking it and not because there's actually something wrong with the tournament. Not saying there's an easy fix because just saying "care more" is definitely not a long term solution and probably wouldn't even come close to working, but I don't think removing snake altogether is the right answer either.
I like this limitation since it adds a layer of strategy to the snake draft not currently present. If you think there’s 12 viable UUers out of 50 signups, you don’t currently have to put much value in the slot. After 9 have been taken, take one of the other 3 at your leisure with the last pick. There’s no fear of them being upbid, etc.Something to consider for fixing the draft itself: What about limiting the draft pool? One thing that always made irl schoolyard picks exciting was you knew everyone was going to get picked, but you didn't know where everyone would end up. I think in order to add hype to the tournament/draft you could have a preliminary draft cut where the pool of signups is condensed to the exact number of players needed per team, and then from there the official draft starts. Idk how the cut would work exactly (perhaps a preliminary poll of the managers for choices to add to the pool, dupes between managers are tossed, and the remainder added either by a second poll or something TD-side).
Just throwing the idea out there don't shoot