Your Evil Team

[DrPumpkinz]

I drew one of the members of my loosely associated group of insane people.

When I originally said the people in this group wanted to watch the world burn, I mostly meant that metaphorically, but it's literal in this case. I like her design, but I haven't come up with a good name for her yet. I've just been calling her Piprat, because my two points of inspiration were Pippi Longstocking and Junkrat. As you could probably guess, she's mostly a Fire-type trainer, using a team of Darmanitan, Turtonator, Weezing, Magmortar, and Primeape. I was originally going to draw them all in a scene, but uhhh....

I'm not good at drawing complex things

How did Magmortar even become a thing after the whole Jynx debacle?

 

[Sonikku A]

Probably with the fact his lips aren't freaking "sambo O shaped" normally, black is a minor part of his color scheme, and he's not TOO humanoid in comparison
An evil Pippy interests me though. Nelvana's Pippy always felt....weirdly condescending

 

[PsychicAcademic]

Until now, I think of a hypothetical land of royal Kingdom like in fairy tales.

... Except this may have powerful order. A secret ops, fancier name for Secret Police. Royal Ops, or in underworld called Team Royal / Royal-dan like other villain groups. Not too far off from Team Plasma, although more fairy tale-ish. With the ruling kingdom having quite a grip in the local League gyms and even E4 (though not all nepotism as accused in-universe as the princes[ses] are indeed elite trainers) and even have pedigree Vee breeding monopoly.

Opposed by rebellious gangs of social outcasts similar to punks of Team Skull or Yell. This will be like Magma Vs Aqua.

But admittedly the path may not be very creative with the N route of the leader being manipulated by a sage (well, both leaders manipulated by a sage playing two sides), although with different kind of Royal leader from N with less human misanthropy and more ambiguous disorder and psychic power and Rebel leader being louder Piers and his ex-school bully.

I would want this to be themed on not simply order and chaos, but also loyalty or responsibility and freedom, and one's fate and rebelling of, and may include some commentary to cultural seniority and social rigidity and "it can't be helped" mentality. Aiming to use legendary with power to enact "order or chaos" through what basically is mass brainwashing and hallucination. Throw in mental pressure from said social structure for added fun (Royal leader is a horribly introvert Not Good With People expected to be responsible as one of princes. Rebel grunts are mostly young social failures or stressed people or even anarchists and lower Royal Grunt Guards are doggishly loyal while higher members may have abuse of power).

Original names in Asian script would not just be after plants, but also animals. (e.g Rebel Boss Zeera, from Geranium, Zebra, and Zera or multiple 0s)

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Will definitely include multi battle with your travel partner not-Lillie (who is also childhood classmate and friend to them) against the two brainwashed/"Lost Trainers" Leaders like Motherbeast Lusamine with angry mon faces and stat boost... On top of dangerous teams sporting Z move and Mega on EACH in Hard mode, definitely even more challenging than even G-Cis.
Royal Prince / Leader is ex-Water 8th Gym Leader who shifted to Psychic type (breaking previous GL/Queen/mother's expectation) and you have met early in outward Psychic GL persona (actually planting bug on you), but uses disguise as Mysterious Prince with Water specialty with royal themes (Vaporeon with its ruff, Jellicent, Slowking, you get it). Rebel Boss / Leader is Dark specialist and heir of noble family disgraced by the sage's manipulation.
In hard mode you can't even get past walls of Bouncy Bubble Vaporeon (with its own species Z move and coverage) and Baddy Bad Umbreon, let alone Mega Milotic and Mega Hydreigon.

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... Well, after the conflict and first E4 run which doesn't put you as reigning champion like past games pre-G7 were, the post game the League and (now better) ruling kingdom agree for Galar style Champion tournament where you can be one. And the not-GCis returns with vengeance and crashes it.

 

[DreamPrince]

Here's my idea for an evil team: Team Belle. French for Beautiful.

Team Belle is an activist group whose goal is to eliminate Pokemon Battles, and replace them with Pokemon Contests. Here is our reasoning:

Why Pokemon Battles are Wrong

• Pokemon Battles hurt Pokemon. Pokemon are forced to fight until they are physically unable to stand up, which can cause serious health problems in the long run.
• Eugenics. Even with the discovery of EXP candy as well as the introduction of Nature Mints, several Pokemon champions have been discovered to have been puppy milling Pokemon to obtain optimal Pokemon, Which involves forcing several Pokemon to produce countless eggs until the optimal Pokemon is created. After that, the remaining Pokemon either rot in the PC for eternity, or are traded to there players to begin the process again. This process is mandatory according to professionals due to optimal Pokemon having better stats.
• EV training is a handful and requires extensive knowledge for specific stat spreads and calcs as well knowing how to use vitamins or how many Pokemon to defeat is a hassle.
• Only a handful of Pokemon can enter battles due to the emphasis of Stats, abilities, move pools, and typing. All the Pokemon are outclassed mostly by other Pokemon remain basically unused unless you can find a niche for that said unused Pokemon.
• For example, Leafeon is mostly outclassed by Venusaur due to having an inferior move pool.
• Tapu Koko outclasses Raikou due to Ability.
• Clefable outclasses Wigglytuff thanks to Stats.
• Articuno is not used due to its typing being poor defensively.

And why Contests are better:

Why Contests are Superior to Battles:

• Pokemon Contests compete by not physically fighting, but by showing off dance moves, fashion sense, and combination of moves at the right time.
• Unlike battling, which has the IV and Nature barrier, which alone has roughly 50 combinations to choose from, the only stat barrier are contest stats, which are split into 5 categories. Unless you plan to win multiple with the same Pokemon, you only need to maximize one stat for the best performance.
• Increasing those stats are easy as pie- put some berries into a Pokeblock Machine: TADA! Instant Pokeblocks to increase stats.
• Abilities, Natures, IVs, Stats, are completely null and void. This significantly reduces the barrier for entry of contests compared to battling. The Pidove you caught in the wild is just as good as the Pidove bred through Puppy Milling.
• Because of that, Leafeon can use the Solar Beam + Sunny Day Combo just as effectively as Vensaur. In Battling, Venusaur would be better than Leafeon, due to higher Special Attack, but that's not a factor because stats don't exist in contests.
• In fact, as long as a move pool is big enough can compete, whether it be Igglybuff vs the mighty Palkia thanks to lack of importance of stats and abilities. It really is about using you favorite Pokemon, in contrast to battling, which people place Pokemon in tiers and objectively call Pokemon good or bad in analysis like Smogon.

We show up at Gyms, protesting at battles, and handing out fliers explaining the dark side of Pokemon Battling and why contests are better. We also host the Contest league with competitors who win 4 ranks of either Beauty, Cool, Tough, Clever, and Cute with one Pokemon qualifying for the Contest League, where Pokemon who won 4 ribbons in each tier for at least one category compete for the champion ribbon of that category.

Secretly, the ultimate plan is to win the presidential election to ban battling and replace them with contests. In order to do so, we will capture the Legendary Pokemon in order to increase our popularity over the masses, and win the election based off that newfound popularity.

As for my team, each Pokemon is at least UU or lower by Smogon, and fits each category.

My Team

• Leafeon: Cool
• Mismagius: Clever
• Goodra: Cute
• Crawdaunt: Tough
• Ninetales: Beauty
• Florges: Beauty

Not evil in the traditional sense, but I generally don't like Cult teams simply because they are not very relatable for the most part, and I prefer " morally-grey" teams like Aqua/Magma and BW Plasma.

 

[Pikachu315111]

My evil team would be a social commentary on 'anti-intellectualism'.

Context

The player character is a student at a Pokemon University, with the professor being the institution's president. The 'gym leaders' are instructors at the institution, being leaders in studying their chosen types. The student enrolls in classes with each instructor as a way of earning their badges.

The rival character is met early on, who is having a meeting with the president notifying the rival that they have been expelled from the institution due to poor performance. In their rage, the rival demands justice for their expulsion and vows to get revenge. They start a media company to slander the university, which catches on like wildfire, creating the evil team which is a cult of personality around the rival. They look to destroy the university, filling it with their own people who are the true experts in their types. As a result of this huge following, the media company becomes incredibly rich and begins creating its own institutions (tech departments, energy extraction and its own university, to give examples) to assert its dominance over the region. Seemingly overnight, the region becomes full of 'zombies' that follow your rival's ideology due to effective brainwashing from its media company - yes, even the player's mom is not immune to this!).

For gameplay, the Admins and Grunts of the evil team will sign up for classes with you, and you will fight them as you work towards obtaining the badges. The game culminates in a tournament between the universities, with your university being the last bastion of critical thought that will save the region from falling into fascism.

Gee, if this wasn't for a kid's game I would think you were making a social commentary.

Deep Thought

SETTING: So does the entire game take place in the University? Interesting idea and I myself maybe played with the idea of maybe having the region actually just be a giant city separated into different districts. But even my suggestion involves a lot of travelling over a large map, even the largest University would at most maybe be the size of a big town? For a core series game which part of its appeal is exploration I think we'd need at least a small region with multiple universities. Maybe I can see the idea working for a side game and if that's your intent, your player isn't trying to become Champion of the region but the top student of the University, than you don't need to read my further thoughts on the SETTING.

But If You Were Thinking Core Series...

This premise could offer another opportunity to provide an alternative to the "League Challenge", instead its the "University Challenge" where a "Instructors" (Gym Leaders) gives you challenges to earn credits until you get enough to earn their "Degree" (Badges). Only problem with this is how do we tie this in with the Pokemon League and getting to challenge the Champion. Being Champion of the University doesn't sound as good as being the Champion of the entire region yet it wouldn't make sense in order to challenge the Pokemon League you need to complete the University Challenge. But if there's alternative ways to challenge the Pokemon League other than the University Challenge than you got to work that in and provide a reason for the player not to think "why am I doing the University Challenge when I could do this alternate way to challenge the Pokemon League".

RIVAL & VILLAIN TEAM: I think this idea could work but needs some adjusting. A college dropout somehow starts a major news network that rapidly becomes popular with rabid fans they start tormenting the University? That's too fast of an escalation to find believable. Instead I would suggest the Rival being the son/daughter of a media baron who already has a widely watched news network. After the rival is expelled, their father puts them in charge of a talk show where he starts attracting supporters by appealing to those who already hold a grudge against the University. While I say them forming a second University is a bit of a stretch, I can see a formation of a "Trade Network" with "Trademaster" (self-made experts) hired to provide a those dissatisfied with the University an alternative. And from there they move to challenging and sabotaging the University, the Rival also personality focusing on the player since when they were expelled you were unfortunately there for the President to compare your success to their failure to.
As for the rest of the region becoming "zombies"... eh. Sure, maybe as the game goes on they get more and more support but think you're going too deep into social commentary at this point. Sure, a large batch, probably the main supporters of the Rival's ventures, you could make into zealots believing whatever the Rival says, but let's not be so cynical to say everyone who supports the Rival is like that. Heck, you can show the formation of the "Trade Network" was a good thing as people who aren't able to adapt to University life may find it easier to learn a trade (which could be where the player's mother comes in, taking courses from the Trade Network to get a better job). And because of this people start wondering if the University is worth having around as, while it only caters to the "best of the best", the Network help the common folk. I would imagine at some point the University would be pressured to "prove" itself against the "Trade Network" which would somehow get the player involved. Though you'd have to keep in mind the Trade Network isn't necessarily the villain, but rather its the Rival and his steadfast supporters and their selfish actions which could be shown to having a negative effect on the Network but they can't really do anything about it since they're the boss (and maybe you'll also have to help free the Network from the Rivals "fascist" beliefs).

CONCLUSION: Sorry if I took you concept in a different direction, but at the same time I don't think portraying everyone who doesn't support the University is a mindless knowledge-hating zombie. Rather best to show how both higher education and trade schools are both beneficial, how common people just trying to live their life can be wrongly swayed, and make it clear what's wrong in this scenario are selfish individuals (the rival and his direct supporters, heck I wouldn't even put many of the "Trademasters" along with the group as they'd probably only want to help people and only working for the Rival's Network as its the best way to do so).

I drew one of the members of my loosely associated group of insane people.

Funny! The art style kind of reminds me of Cyanide with Happiness.

Here's my idea for an evil team: Team Belle. French for Beautiful.

Team Belle is an activist group whose goal is to eliminate Pokemon Battles, and replace them with Pokemon Contests. Here is our reasoning:

Why Pokemon Battles are Wrong

• Pokemon Battles hurt Pokemon. Pokemon are forced to fight until they are physically unable to stand up, which can cause serious health problems in the long run.
• Eugenics. Even with the discovery of EXP candy as well as the introduction of Nature Mints, several Pokemon champions have been discovered to have been puppy milling Pokemon to obtain optimal Pokemon, Which involves forcing several Pokemon to produce countless eggs until the optimal Pokemon is created. After that, the remaining Pokemon either rot in the PC for eternity, or are traded to there players to begin the process again. This process is mandatory according to professionals due to optimal Pokemon having better stats.
• EV training is a handful and requires extensive knowledge for specific stat spreads and calcs as well knowing how to use vitamins or how many Pokemon to defeat is a hassle.
• Only a handful of Pokemon can enter battles due to the emphasis of Stats, abilities, move pools, and typing. All the Pokemon are outclassed mostly by other Pokemon remain basically unused unless you can find a niche for that said unused Pokemon.
• For example, Leafeon is mostly outclassed by Venusaur due to having an inferior move pool.
• Tapu Koko outclasses Raikou due to Ability.
• Clefable outclasses Wigglytuff thanks to Stats.
• Articuno is not used due to its typing being poor defensively.

And why Contests are better:

Why Contests are Superior to Battles:

• Pokemon Contests compete by not physically fighting, but by showing off dance moves, fashion sense, and combination of moves at the right time.
• Unlike battling, which has the IV and Nature barrier, which alone has roughly 50 combinations to choose from, the only stat barrier are contest stats, which are split into 5 categories. Unless you plan to win multiple with the same Pokemon, you only need to maximize one stat for the best performance.
• Increasing those stats are easy as pie- put some berries into a Pokeblock Machine: TADA! Instant Pokeblocks to increase stats.
• Abilities, Natures, IVs, Stats, are completely null and void. This significantly reduces the barrier for entry of contests compared to battling. The Pidove you caught in the wild is just as good as the Pidove bred through Puppy Milling.
• Because of that, Leafeon can use the Solar Beam + Sunny Day Combo just as effectively as Vensaur. In Battling, Venusaur would be better than Leafeon, due to higher Special Attack, but that's not a factor because stats don't exist in contests.
• In fact, as long as a move pool is big enough can compete, whether it be Igglybuff vs the mighty Palkia thanks to lack of importance of stats and abilities. It really is about using you favorite Pokemon, in contrast to battling, which people place Pokemon in tiers and objectively call Pokemon good or bad in analysis like Smogon.

We show up at Gyms, protesting at battles, and handing out fliers explaining the dark side of Pokemon Battling and why contests are better. We also host the Contest league with competitors who win 4 ranks of either Beauty, Cool, Tough, Clever, and Cute with one Pokemon qualifying for the Contest League, where Pokemon who won 4 ribbons in each tier for at least one category compete for the champion ribbon of that category.

Secretly, the ultimate plan is to win the presidential election to ban battling and replace them with contests. In order to do so, we will capture the Legendary Pokemon in order to increase our popularity over the masses, and win the election based off that newfound popularity.

As for my team, each Pokemon is at least UU or lower by Smogon, and fits each category.

My Team

• Leafeon: Cool
• Mismagius: Clever
• Goodra: Cute
• Crawdaunt: Tough
• Ninetales: Beauty
• Florges: Beauty

Not evil in the traditional sense, but I generally don't like Cult teams simply because they are not very relatable for the most part, and I prefer " morally-grey" teams like Aqua/Magma and BW Plasma.

A group trying to replace the Pokemon League, I also have a similar idea which I'll post later, but now just want to comment on your Evil Team. Anyway I like the idea though I think you may have gotten too much into the details:

List of Reasons

Why Pokemon Battles are Wrong:
1. Can we all please stop with the "puppy mill" thing? Breeding is like 99% a meta thing, within canon all trainer's Pokemon are ones they caught/hatched only one of (or how many of that Pokemon they have if they have multiple).
2. I don't think they would use Legendaries in their examples. In-lore Legendaries are soon as uber powerful creatures no matter what so comparing them would be like trying to say which culture's god is better.
3. I think if made into an actual team the reasons listed in-game would look more like this:

• Pokemon are made to purposely hurt one another. Even if regulated, accidents can still happen.
• Not all Pokemon are considered "strong enough" to participate in battles which results those Pokemon to be ignored.
• Even if a Pokemon is strong enough they have to go through rigorous training, usually involving fighting dozens if not hundreds of other Pokemon.

Why Contests are Superior to Battles:
1. I'll just go straight into what the reasons would look like in-game:

• Contests are a way for the Pokemon to compete without harming one another, instead focusing on mastery of their individual skills and talent.
• Any Pokemon can become a Contest Star, every Pokemon is equal.
• You do not need to fight hundreds of battles to master a Contest, what you need is to focus on the Contest Condition you like than groom your Pokemon and treat them with high quality (Pokeblocks) you make yourself with loving care.

It's understandable why you went into this amount of detail, but a problem is a lot of this stuff is meta concepts so in-game characters probably wouldn't know or at least mention them.

Also this doesn't sound like a "we'll use the Legendary to get our point across" scheme. Becoming leader of the region using this as your podium and working to make Pokemon Contest more spectacular and accessible, yeah that makes sense. But I don't see how having a Legendary would convince the masses they're right as the point of a Legendary usually is a show of power and the point of Team Belle is that all Pokemon are equal.

Also, while I do understand you don't like "cult" teams, there does have to be a reason you're fighting against Team Belle. Otherwise they're just this group running around in the background promoting Pokemon Contests, kind of whatever.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Sorry for double posting though I think this is different enough from my top post it could be its own (though if a mode disagrees they can combine the two posts together).

Thought this would take longer but turns out I typed this quicker than I thought. Here's my next villain team I mentioned was sort of in the same vain as DreamPrince's Team Belle, but instead of trying to make Pokemon Contest the popular activity to overshadow Battles they've already overshadowed Battles with their sport of choice: the Pokeathlon.

Team Star

GAME/REGION THEME: So the main theme behind the game is that it's a region where Pokemon Battling isn't the big thing, but rather the Pokeathlon. Infact, the Pokeathlon is HUGE where the Pokemon League is more of an underground thing, even referred to as "The Underground League".

How does "The Underground League" (TUL) work? Well it's not well-funded, each "Gym Leader" has a normal job (they also specialize in two Types), and when you battle them the battle takes place outside in the nearest public battlefield. But that's the "Gym Leader's" day job, because each Gym Leader also has a PokeTuber persona which they battle you as and they officialize battles by recording them; the "Badges" being icons on a simple TUL app in your mobile phone that shows a recording of your battle as proof you won. They don't even have an Elite Four, rather you just re-battle four of the "Gym Leaders" who just put on fancy robe/cloak and (fake) crown.

STORY: Infact the player & Rival aren't initially interested in TUL, they're both going to try and join the official club of the hottest Pro Pokeathlon Team: Team Star.

On the way to the tryouts you and your Rival bump into the organizer of TUL, a nerdy older teen who works for the Pokemon Fan Club as a meeting coordinator, who notices none of you have a Pokemon. He says you have to bring your own Pokemon to the tryouts worrying the Rival, but it just so happens he has some Pokemon he can give us: The Starters of the region! Since we're the one that got bumped into we get to pick first, the Rival choosing the Starter STRONG against the player's, and we have the first Rival battle to see how well we work with our new partner. After the battle TUL organizer congratulates you both for a good match and asks if you'll like to try TUL. Before you can answer your Rival is quick to turn down the offer and both of you rush to the tryouts.

At the tryouts you meet the members of Team Star, notably their captain who is prideful and egotistical. Both you and your Rival (who compliments the captain upon meeting him; the captain is also quick to judge the player) tryout; your Rival gets in but you do not (hinted the captain snubbed you out of spite no matter if you won or lost). The Rival says he'll meet us later and you leave the tryouts, once again running into TUL organizer. He saw what happened and gives you his sympathy, which is when either you ask or are invited to try TUL, the organizer excitedly saying come to the Pokemon Can Clubhouse tomorrow before walking off.

You go home and next day have a quick meeting with your Rival who's in a rush to the Pokeathlon Stadium. With nothing better to do, you go to the Pokemon Fan Clubhouse and meet TUL organizer... and the professor the of region! The professor looks at your Pokemon and says you've made a quick bond with it, asking you to help him with the Pokedex. After he's done and leaves TUL organizer explains what TUL is and signs you up. From there you start your Pokemon journey, tracking down the "Gym Leaders" and climbing your way up TUL... if only it was that simple.

VILLAIN ROLE: For whatever reason, Team Star doesn't like TUL. Not soon after getting your first "Badge" your asked by your Rival to meet with them at the Pokeathlon Stadium. At the stadium you meet your Rival, but also the Team Star Captain who checks your phone to confirm you've joined TUL. The Captain says you can join the Official Team Star Fan Club, but you got to give up TUL Challenge. Either rejecting his offer or asking why, the captain is at first offended but says "whatever" and leaves. You have an argument with you Rival who follows after the captain... and when he's gone you're then jumped by two other Star Club members and have a battle. You beat them though warn you to give up TUL challenge or else there would be more coming after you.

As you progress through TUL, which starts bringing attention to TUL, you encounter Star Club Members (and Team Star members who act as the admins) more and more who try to sabotage TUL challenge; you even start having heated encounters with your Rival. At one point they even frame the "Gym Leaders" you faced for a crime that you have to go around and clear their names. Though oddly after getting the final "Badge" Team Star seems to vanish and you're able to face the "Elite Four" without interruption.

Now The Twist

After defeating the "Elite Four", you're lead through a building. The attitude among the "Gym Leaders" are somber and they say they can't say anything. You're led to a door leading out to a private park... and it's swarmed by the Team Star Official Fan Club. You're told to go to the center but as you do you have to battle through waves of Star Club members, the "Gym Leaders" try to stop it but are told they're allowed to "by the Champion" so they stand back. You get to the center of the park and there is the Team Star Captain who reveals he's the Champion of TUL!

The captain explains how Pokemon Battling is so archaic and requires little thinking or talent while Pokeathlon is the superior successor as it requires smarts and skills to be a top player. However TUL refused to go away, so instead of trying to force them to give up he instead conquered TUL and became it's Champion. Without a Champion to support them, something he tried to keep secret as long as he could as not to draw attention to TUL, TUL would ever remain an underground thing. But then YOU came along and started climbing TUL ranks, drawing attention from all over the region. For once and for all, the captain is going to defeat you and prove the Pokeathlon is superior to both TUL & Pokemon battling.

At first everyone (except for the "Gym Leaders") is of course behind the Team Star captain, but as the battle progresses and you knock out his Pokemon he starts losing it and reveals the REAL reason he hates TUL & Pokemon Battling: In Pokemon battles everyone is equal and one can easily win/lose. The captain was an incredibly talented trainer, but realizing he can't make a name for himself from battling as even if he climbs to the top he could still be defeated & knocked down, instead worked to suppress Pokemon Battling so everyone paid attention to the Pokeathlon where he is able to reign supreme and no one can beat him. With the secret revealed, everyone starts turning on the captain and rooting for the player, the first to turn being the Rival.

Of course you beat the captain who refuses the loss, however that's when the Chairman of the Pokeathlon walks in. The Chairman thought Pokemon Battling was a thing of the past as no one was interested, but to learn the captain and manipulated everyone into ignoring Battling and TUL had made him reconsider some things. First he declares you as Champion of TUL, then he says he's going to work with TUL to make them the official Pokemon League of the region, and finally and effective immediately the captain is kicked off Team Star.

GOT IDEA FROM: I got this idea for this whole region and villain team by thinking "what would the opposite of the Galar region be?". In Galar Pokemon Battling is THE big thing with seemingly no other activity. So I thought what if something else was THE big thing, what would happen to Pokemon Battling? And so I thought of an "underground league" where the ones in charge of the big sport was keeping them under their heel.

I also thought the "Gym Leaders" wouldn't be popular celebrities, so I thought what people would be well known but not "celebrity" famous and I immediately thought of web reviewers, figuring the Pokemon version of Youtube would probably be called Poketube thus made them "Poketubers".

WHY POKEATHLON?: I was originally thinking Pokemon Contests. But then I thought if something else was to become a big sport in Pokemon that would make people forget about Pokemon Battling. Pokemon Contests uses Moves, thus a direct connection to Pokemon Battling so would be hard to make people forgot. So I thought what other activity did Pokemon have that could fit the purpose I need it for? Certainly not Musicals, those are too simple. But then I thought of the Pokeathlon and how it had some deep mechanics but nothing really relating back to Battling. And it really works with my idea of what would make people forget about Battling being a big SPORT and the one keeping The Underground League down was a jock-like character, well now it can be a jock character!

 

[Sonikku A]

The ironic thing, is that the original lore for the anime, Gym leaders aren't even paid or funded. Which is probably why Flint sold rocks

 

[pokemon4eva]

I don't have much of an idea for my evil team, but I'll try.

I would like the grunts to have guerilla-inspired uniforms, kinda like the Pokemon Pinchers in Guardian Signs:

We see them throughout the region, hunting after strong wild Pokemon that cause trouble to the townsfolk (people from more humble areas) but her pleads for help are mostly ignored by the cityfolk so this team serve them as protectors. By helping them, they get sympathy from the people provde them with food and shelter as well as knowledge about more powerful Pokemon to tame. Of course, the true objective is for the boss to be the strongest trainer ever with the ultimate team, while being revered as an "underdog hero that will overtake the corrupt authorities", he/she and his four admins would aim to become the new champ and E4.

Aaaaand that's as far as I can go...

Extra note, while most of the team are greedy liars (even the boss), there are some members that actually believe they are working for a better place. Also, the champion and other league trainers are pretty bad at their job and act pretty vain/selfish/lazy (but not evil); for them to get negative feedback.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I don't have much of an idea for my evil team, but I'll try.

I would like the grunts to have guerilla-inspired uniforms, kinda like the Pokemon Pinchers in Guardian Signs:

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We see them throughout the region, hunting after strong wild Pokemon that cause trouble to the townsfolk (people from more humble areas) but her pleads for help are mostly ignored by the cityfolk so this team serve them as protectors. By helping them, they get sympathy from the people provde them with food and shelter as well as knowledge about more powerful Pokemon to tame. Of course, the true objective is for the boss to be the strongest trainer ever with the ultimate team, while being revered as an "underdog hero that will overtake the corrupt authorities", he/she and his four admins would aim to become the new champ and E4.

Aaaaand that's as far as I can go...

Extra note, while most of the team are greedy liars (even the boss), there are some members that actually believe they are working for a better place. Also, the champion and other league trainers are pretty bad at their job and act pretty vain/selfish/lazy (but not evil); for them to get negative feedback.

There is certainly an idea here that with some fixing here and there I feel could flesh out this idea more. If you don't mind me giving some ideas:

1. Manipulation: While you didn't mention it, I'd imagine it would probably be revealed that it was due to team that the Pokemon was attacking the outer towns in order for them to look like the heroes and get the details about the stronger/Legendary Pokemon (possibly hinting the towns attacked held these Pokemon in reverence but slowly the evil team is trying to make the townsfolk feel the Pokemon have turned on them).

2. Goals: I kind of feel the goal maybe needs to be something more than "boss & admins wants to be the Champion & Elite Four". Cause it's not like the Champion & Elite Four are rulers, they're just powerful trainers who work for the Pokemon League. Like in BW, N becoming Champion wasn't his goal but rather a show of his power, that he so easily wiped the floor with the Pokemon League's toughest trainers with the power of the Legendary Pokemon you should listen to what he says and release your Pokemon. The title meant nothing, it was the symbology.
Maybe becoming Champion and Elite Four could be a STEP in their plan but not the end goal. If this is a power grab than the idea probably would be first the Boss and their Admins become major heroes in the neglected outer towns/villages gaining a massive following (maybe having all the grunts actually being townsfolk thinking joining them is the right thing, unknowingly being manipulated and not part of their bigger plans; would solve the question why the grunts are doing this if they're getting nothing out of it: they're unknowing pawns). Then it's to use the secret knowledge these outer towns/villages to capture strong/guardian/Legendary Pokemon so that they can force their way of becoming Champion (and once their boss is Champion he can probably force his Admins to become the Elite Four). Then with a massive following & a position of power can start a campaign to become the leader of the region mostly unopposed.
Though even then that feels like it kinds of fall short. Like, sure, you could maybe leave it at that but feels a bit plain , may have to add one more thing on top of that like the reason why they want to become the leader of the region. Like maybe they needed the highest political position so that he could gain the resources and not be questioned to find/create something that'll give them ultimate power of some kind.
I feel this part would probably first require for the Boss & Admins characters and personality to be fleshed out in order to get an idea of what they want, are they doing this out of a superiority complex or is their some tragedy in their life that's making them do this?

3. Cityfolk: And of course we need to come up with reasons why the cityfolk aren't helping out. It's one thing not to help them out economically because of conflicting viewpoints, it's another thing to not help when they're being attacked by wild Pokemon. Now the differing viewpoints could be used to amplify why the outer townsfolk don't trust the cityfolk, seeing them as snooty idealists who never did a honest day work. They're getting attacked & property damaged/destroyed and the Cityfolk only send in these suits and eggheads who don't want to hunt down the Pokemon but rather figure out why it's attacking to repel it for preservation.
I wouldn't make it so that the cityfolk, whom are the ones in control of the Pokemon League thus Champion & Elite Four are people from the city, are vain/selfish/lazy, but rather their views are more, and I've beaten about this bush long enough, liberal. Yeah, sorry to bring politics, but this very much sounds like it'll become a conservative south vs. liberal north conflict. Which isn't a bad theme in my opinion, I have my own evil teams which is very much based on that, though sadly we're living in times where things are VERY extreme so would have to tread carefully how you go about displaying both groups.

 

[pokemon4eva]

There is certainly an idea here that with some fixing here and there I feel could flesh out this idea more. If you don't mind me giving some ideas:

1. Manipulation: While you didn't mention it, I'd imagine it would probably be revealed that it was due to team that the Pokemon was attacking the outer towns in order for them to look like the heroes and get the details about the stronger/Legendary Pokemon (possibly hinting the towns attacked held these Pokemon in reverence but slowly the evil team is trying to make the townsfolk feel the Pokemon have turned on them).

2. Goals: I kind of feel the goal maybe needs to be something more than "boss & admins wants to be the Champion & Elite Four". Cause it's not like the Champion & Elite Four are rulers, they're just powerful trainers who work for the Pokemon League. Like in BW, N becoming Champion wasn't his goal but rather a show of his power, that he so easily wiped the floor with the Pokemon League's toughest trainers with the power of the Legendary Pokemon you should listen to what he says and release your Pokemon. The title meant nothing, it was the symbology.
Maybe becoming Champion and Elite Four could be a STEP in their plan but not the end goal. If this is a power grab than the idea probably would be first the Boss and their Admins become major heroes in the neglected outer towns/villages gaining a massive following (maybe having all the grunts actually being townsfolk thinking joining them is the right thing, unknowingly being manipulated and not part of their bigger plans; would solve the question why the grunts are doing this if they're getting nothing out of it: they're unknowing pawns). Then it's to use the secret knowledge these outer towns/villages to capture strong/guardian/Legendary Pokemon so that they can force their way of becoming Champion (and once their boss is Champion he can probably force his Admins to become the Elite Four). Then with a massive following & a position of power can start a campaign to become the leader of the region mostly unopposed.
Though even then that feels like it kinds of fall short. Like, sure, you could maybe leave it at that but feels a bit plain , may have to add one more thing on top of that like the reason why they want to become the leader of the region. Like maybe they needed the highest political position so that he could gain the resources and not be questioned to find/create something that'll give them ultimate power of some kind.
I feel this part would probably first require for the Boss & Admins characters and personality to be fleshed out in order to get an idea of what they want, are they doing this out of a superiority complex or is their some tragedy in their life that's making them do this?

3. Cityfolk: And of course we need to come up with reasons why the cityfolk aren't helping out. It's one thing not to help them out economically because of conflicting viewpoints, it's another thing to not help when they're being attacked by wild Pokemon. Now the differing viewpoints could be used to amplify why the outer townsfolk don't trust the cityfolk, seeing them as snooty idealists who never did a honest day work. They're getting attacked & property damaged/destroyed and the Cityfolk only send in these suits and eggheads who don't want to hunt down the Pokemon but rather figure out why it's attacking to repel it for preservation.
I wouldn't make it so that the cityfolk, whom are the ones in control of the Pokemon League thus Champion & Elite Four are people from the city, are vain/selfish/lazy, but rather their views are more, and I've beaten about this bush long enough, liberal. Yeah, sorry to bring politics, but this very much sounds like it'll become a conservative south vs. liberal north conflict. Which isn't a bad theme in my opinion, I have my own evil teams which is very much based on that, though sadly we're living in times where things are VERY extreme so would have to tread carefully how you go about displaying both groups.

Those are pretty good points. I was doubting between putting more "grey vs grey" mentality since I'm not really sure it would fit well in Pokémon. Even Team Plasma had to establish themselves early as "bad" with the Munna cutscene.

 

[Giri]

Team: Shadow Spar
It would be based on mixed martial arts (mma). They would train in shady gyms along with their Pokemon.
They specialize in fighting types.
They are after bet money, i.e they'd enter leagues with their Pokemon and a group will collect bets behind the screen. The trainers would participate in underground beatdowns like in the movie Never Back Down.

 

[Mario60866iPod13]

I already have many ideas in my fan fiction for villainous teams but one I like quite a lot is Team Ultra Galaxy. They're a group who is all about child liberation (freeing children from their parents) but their leader Chairman Westing actually wants to end the human population because he is disgusted with it. Team Ultra Galaxy mostly uses Steel, Poison, and Dragon Pokemon (Except their attorney Robert who only uses Wynauts and Wobbuffets). At one point, Chairman Westing even tries to enslave the World Champion to help them carry out their plans (because the World Champion has legendary Pokemon in my fan fiction).

Here's Chairman Westing's team and a strategy guide: https://pokepast.es/1935fbb7fa63d6ea

NOTE: Spenser also has an Urshifu but it wasn't listed as an option on pokecharms.

 

[guys the ret]

Hmmm... So let's see Team Diamond, an "activist group" that campaigns against the destruction of the earth. For example, cave-dwelling natural habitats being destroyed.

Team Diamond Part One

So well, you find them blocking roads in cities protesting things, and beat them in order to proceed with whatever you are doing. Later, you find the first admins trying to kidnap one of the gym leaders for some reason. You beat them and continue on your way, with Team Diamond being minor annoyances. Also there's another team called the Legion of Truth which is annoyed at Team Diamond for taking up all the publicity. Still minor annoyances, but they try to kidnap the other gym leaders, and succeed in killing one of them. Later, you find a swarm of Team Diamond grunts around the sixth gym and you, the local gym leader and your friends raid their hideout, then beat their admins and leader. In the hideout, you and your friends find a Diancie, who along with the local Carbink colony, is being protected by Team Diamond. Before they can eject you from their base, the Legion of Truth comes in and tries to steal their Diancie.

The Pokemon they use are cave-dwelling Pokemon, as well as Misdreavus, the Beldum line and Murkrow.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I already have many ideas in my fan fiction for villainous teams but one I like quite a lot is Team Ultra Galaxy. They're a group who is all about child liberation (freeing children from their parents) but their leader Chairman Westing actually wants to end the human population because he is disgusted with it. Team Ultra Galaxy mostly uses Steel, Poison, and Dragon Pokemon (Except their attorney Robert who only uses Wynauts and Wobbuffets). At one point, Chairman Westing even tries to enslave the World Champion to help them carry out their plans (because the World Champion has legendary Pokemon in my fan fiction).

Here's Chairman Westing's team and a strategy guide: https://pokepast.es/1935fbb7fa63d6ea

So Westing sound like a fusion of Lysandre & Rose.

I'm not quite sure how well this concept works. For one thing, he wants to destroy humanity but on the surface is for "child liberation"? Bit of a disconnect between those two; like I'm guessing with his position and actual goals he's an adult so why would he even be for that surface goal? Why would he even come to support it, how would he support it? Lysandre also had a disconnect, but it made sense: Lysandre started as a humanitarian but years of trying to improve things only to see little done and the darker side of human nature spiraled him down a descent to madness; He concluded only he knew what was the best for everyone so only him and his culling would live in a new "beautiful" world of Lysandre's vision. And, because being a humanitarian is a widely accepted good thing, he probably was able to get away with any suspicious behavior. I don't think a person's whose surface goal is to "free children from their parents" would be looked in the same positive light and likely be under heavy surveillance.

Not to mention how does enslaving the Champion (let alone the World Champion with Legendaries) help him with his plan? Like, if Westing can enslave the world's strongest trainer who uses Legendary Pokemon I have a feeling his needs have gone far beyond needing this Champion's assistance. The reason Rose needed Leon's help was because Rose wasn't as strong as Leon nor Eternatus. You only battled Rose because he wanted Leon to beat Eternatus so was buying time. If you're wondering why Rose wanted Leon to win, it's because Rose owns the Pokemon League thus Leon works for him, thus Leon winning against Eternatus makes the League looks good and thus makes Rose look good.

As for his team, I imagine if this was for its own game he would be using a Legendary specifically made for that game that serves the same purpose as having Eternatus here as it makes no sense why he has Eternatus.

So, as with past posts, if you don't mind maybe some suggestions.

Click If You Want

First, a name change. I don't see why they're called Ultra Galaxy. Like, it makes them sound like they're a spun off group from Team Galactic. Now maybe it makes sense in-story though even then I would find another way to get across the idea you want from the team's name, and remember you don't need to have "Team" in front of it as we've seen with the Aether Foundation and Macro Cosmos.
With what I'm about to suggest below, can I suggest a name theme that uses the word "Compass"? Not only does it work with Westing's name (could also name his executives after other directions or directional terms) but how you can work with the idea he's for guiding children:

For The Children: So, Westings thing is giving children more freedom while wanting to destroy the world... and he's an adult businessman (who has people in his company working for him knowing this). So, I imagine your idea came from satirizing the whole concept of the Pokemon games having the parents send out their children to have a region wide adventure capturing elemental monsters to battle them. Alright, let's work off that. Westing's surface motivation isn't children liberation, instead it's about encouraging children to go on a Pokemon journey and his business is one that provides children trainers with all the services they'll need. That immediately flips his rather sketchy surface goal to one that would be positively accepted (he could advertise to parents that a Pokemon journey would help their kids learn responsibility & gain life lessons, and with his company's services they'll be safe giving them ease of mind). This would also explain what his company does and how he's likely rich enough to do his ultimate goal, either he owns the Pokemon League or works closely with them and thus has hundreds if not thousands of sponsors and investors; while kids aren't charged for the services the kids are likely providing free entertainment which means merchandising deals as well as advertising paid services for adults (if you had Westing doing this long enough could have some NPCs mention when they were kids they were part of this program and have remained a long time customer even when they had to start paying, which would both show how far reaching Westing's reach and influence is).

For the Genocide: But now we gotta connect this to global genocide. Hm. Well, we already have him a fusion of Lysandre and Rose, how about we also add in a dollop of Ghetsis (and a sprinkle of Cyrus). Make Westing a perfectionist, maybe an eccentric one but still everything he does is fully planned with no expenses spared. He believes if you're going to do something you should put your all into it... and thus you should always be at 100% your best when your an adult. Kids he sees as being untapped potential and started his company to help kids grow up to reach this full potential as adults. Yet, all around him he sees grown men and woman not working as hard, not doing their best, and some even going out of their way to do worst! Even people who were once children that had used his services aren't using their full potential his services was supposed to help them unlock! And HOW DARE THEY! All the world's problems can easily be solved, diseases and misfortune eradicated, no one poor and hungry and depressed. And yet there's people who rather not do anything or, worse, make things worse cause they profit off it. This world is unsalvageable. If humanity wishes to wipe itself so be it, infact why not give it a helping hand? And thus Westing, having driven down a blackhole of despair and madness, decides to destroy humanity (and probably make himself a god to reshape the world how he envisions it should be).
Yes, Westing is indeed someone who thinks this world is imperfect.

Champ's Involvement & Westing's Plans: Now, since you want this to be the World Champ, this probably won't be like a normal Pokemon game's league. It would be a World Tournament, or at least one is going on. Now this brings in the problem of how the player characters gets involved cause how does a kid from nowhere become a participant in a World Tournament where the best-of-the-best see who is the best-of-the-all? In that thought, maybe having a normal Pokemon League going on that the player participates in might not be a bad idea. Here's my thinking:
While top trainers are all having their own tournament running in the background, all regions participating in the World Tournament are each having their own special League Challenge. Any non-VIP trainer who beats their region's League & Elite Four would automatically be entered into the World Tournament's Championship Rounds.
So, that there should solve some of the problems of there being a World Champion even though something like that hasn't existed before and how would the player get involved with that.
Also, since you want the World Champion to use Legendaries, could have their being one VIP trainer (a new one made for the game) who many believe will win the title not only because of their skill but also because their team of Legendaries (now note they probably wouldn't have mascot Legendaries or ones considered one-of-kind. Think Bird Trio, Beast Trio, Regis, Eon Duo, Cresselia, Heatran, Swords of Justice, Forces of Nature, Kubfu family; not sure about Mythicals, maybe they could have one as their ace, maybe even a new one). Could even have on TV reports of this trainer defeating other well known trainers like Champions, Elite Four, and Frontier Brains/Battle Facility bosses to build them up.
So, how to now get them involved. Well, one easy way is for them to be working for Westing already, though that's just copying the Rose & Leon dynamic. So instead, he sees this Legendary using trainer as an opportunity to begin his grand scheme. I would make Westings plan be having a way to make Legendary Pokemon go out of control, make them unleash their full powerful which should be quite devastating. A simple hypnotic device isn't likely going to work on all Legendaries and might be broken out of, so instead Westing would use a virus that makes Legendaries go mad. He'll infect the Champion's Legendary team with the virus, they'll go crazy and likely kill everyone one (not only eliminating the Champion but also all the other powerful VIPs so they don't get in the way) and then the Legendaries would split to spread chaos (the virus will also make them want to seek out other Legendaries to infect them, and once infected the Legendaries have no interest in each other). And thus Westing will end all of humanity by having Legendaries, Pokemon who he sees as "perfect", unleash their full potential upon the world.

Hmmm... So let's see Team Diamond, an "activist group" that campaigns against the destruction of the earth. For example, cave-dwelling natural habitats being destroyed.

Team Diamond Part One

So well, you find them blocking roads in cities protesting things, and beat them in order to proceed with whatever you are doing. Later, you find the first admins trying to kidnap one of the gym leaders for some reason. You beat them and continue on your way, with Team Diamond being minor annoyances. Also there's another team called the Legion of Truth which is annoyed at Team Diamond for taking up all the publicity. Still minor annoyances, but they try to kidnap the other gym leaders, and succeed in killing one of them. Later, you find a swarm of Team Diamond grunts around the sixth gym and you, the local gym leader and your friends raid their hideout, then beat their admins and leader. In the hideout, you and your friends find a Diancie, who along with the local Carbink colony, is being protected by Team Diamond. Before they can eject you from their base, the Legion of Truth comes in and tries to steal their Diancie.

The Pokemon they use are cave-dwelling Pokemon, as well as Misdreavus, the Beldum line and Murkrow.

Well that took a sudden dark turn with that killing of someone.

Don't really have much to say as you didn't really say much about either Team Diamond or Legion of Truth. Aside from the killing, sounds like Team Diamond are similar in vain to Team Aqua/Magma with their focus on environmental terrorism. Not that it isn't a bad theme nor can't be expanded upon to make them more unique if not at least in aesthetic & personality (especially with their team leader & admins).

However that mention of a Diancie & Carbink colony gave me some ideas. Well, first off, if that's the only Mythical colony in the game & focus then it would instead likely be a new Legendary (and maybe not based on a diamond, which I imagine would also change the team's name). BUT the idea of having multiple Mythical colonies could maybe work. Like underground you discover a Diancie & Carbink colony, in a sea you find a Manaphy & Phione colony, there's a flower field with a colony of Shaymin, a mountain with a colony of Volcanion, an old factory with Melmetal & Meltan colony, a jungle-like area with a colony of Zarude, etc. (could also probably toss in a few Legendaries with colonies gathered around them like Cresselia, Heatran, & Kubfu family). Show how these Mythicals & Legendaries work within their secret community for the betterment of their environment and maybe what happens if humans disrupt it.

 

[Mario60866iPod13]

So Westing sound like a fusion of Lysandre & Rose.

I'm not quite sure how well this concept works. For one thing, he wants to destroy humanity but on the surface is for "child liberation"? Bit of a disconnect between those two; like I'm guessing with his position and actual goals he's an adult so why would he even be for that surface goal? Why would he even come to support it, how would he support it? Lysandre also had a disconnect, but it made sense: Lysandre started as a humanitarian but years of trying to improve things only to see little done and the darker side of human nature spiraled him down a descent to madness; He concluded only he knew what was the best for everyone so only him and his culling would live in a new "beautiful" world of Lysandre's vision. And, because being a humanitarian is a widely accepted good thing, he probably was able to get away with any suspicious behavior. I don't think a person's whose surface goal is to "free children from their parents" would be looked in the same positive light and likely be under heavy surveillance.

Not to mention how does enslaving the Champion (let alone the World Champion with Legendaries) help him with his plan? Like, if Westing can enslave the world's strongest trainer who uses Legendary Pokemon I have a feeling his needs have gone far beyond needing this Champion's assistance. The reason Rose needed Leon's help was because Rose wasn't as strong as Leon nor Eternatus. You only battled Rose because he wanted Leon to beat Eternatus so was buying time. If you're wondering why Rose wanted Leon to win, it's because Rose owns the Pokemon League thus Leon works for him, thus Leon winning against Eternatus makes the League looks good and thus makes Rose look good.

As for his team, I imagine if this was for its own game he would be using a Legendary specifically made for that game that serves the same purpose as having Eternatus here as it makes no sense why he has Eternatus.

So, as with past posts, if you don't mind maybe some suggestions.

Click If You Want

First, a name change. I don't see why they're called Ultra Galaxy. Like, it makes them sound like they're a spun off group from Team Galactic. Now maybe it makes sense in-story though even then I would find another way to get across the idea you want from the team's name, and remember you don't need to have "Team" in front of it as we've seen with the Aether Foundation and Macro Cosmos.
With what I'm about to suggest below, can I suggest a name theme that uses the word "Compass"? Not only does it work with Westing's name (could also name his executives after other directions or directional terms) but how you can work with the idea he's for guiding children:

For The Children: So, Westings thing is giving children more freedom while wanting to destroy the world... and he's an adult businessman (who has people in his company working for him knowing this). So, I imagine your idea came from satirizing the whole concept of the Pokemon games having the parents send out their children to have a region wide adventure capturing elemental monsters to battle them. Alright, let's work off that. Westing's surface motivation isn't children liberation, instead it's about encouraging children to go on a Pokemon journey and his business is one that provides children trainers with all the services they'll need. That immediately flips his rather sketchy surface goal to one that would be positively accepted (he could advertise to parents that a Pokemon journey would help their kids learn responsibility & gain life lessons, and with his company's services they'll be safe giving them ease of mind). This would also explain what his company does and how he's likely rich enough to do his ultimate goal, either he owns the Pokemon League or works closely with them and thus has hundreds if not thousands of sponsors and investors; while kids aren't charged for the services the kids are likely providing free entertainment which means merchandising deals as well as advertising paid services for adults (if you had Westing doing this long enough could have some NPCs mention when they were kids they were part of this program and have remained a long time customer even when they had to start paying, which would both show how far reaching Westing's reach and influence is).

For the Genocide: But now we gotta connect this to global genocide. Hm. Well, we already have him a fusion of Lysandre and Rose, how about we also add in a dollop of Ghetsis (and a sprinkle of Cyrus). Make Westing a perfectionist, maybe an eccentric one but still everything he does is fully planned with no expenses spared. He believes if you're going to do something you should put your all into it... and thus you should always be at 100% your best when your an adult. Kids he sees as being untapped potential and started his company to help kids grow up to reach this full potential as adults. Yet, all around him he sees grown men and woman not working as hard, not doing their best, and some even going out of their way to do worst! Even people who were once children that had used his services aren't using their full potential his services was supposed to help them unlock! And HOW DARE THEY! All the world's problems can easily be solved, diseases and misfortune eradicated, no one poor and hungry and depressed. And yet there's people who rather not do anything or, worse, make things worse cause they profit off it. This world is unsalvageable. If humanity wishes to wipe itself so be it, infact why not give it a helping hand? And thus Westing, having driven down a blackhole of despair and madness, decides to destroy humanity (and probably make himself a god to reshape the world how he envisions it should be).
Yes, Westing is indeed someone who thinks this world is imperfect.

Champ's Involvement & Westing's Plans: Now, since you want this to be the World Champ, this probably won't be like a normal Pokemon game's league. It would be a World Tournament, or at least one is going on. Now this brings in the problem of how the player characters gets involved cause how does a kid from nowhere become a participant in a World Tournament where the best-of-the-best see who is the best-of-the-all? In that thought, maybe having a normal Pokemon League going on that the player participates in might not be a bad idea. Here's my thinking:
While top trainers are all having their own tournament running in the background, all regions participating in the World Tournament are each having their own special League Challenge. Any non-VIP trainer who beats their region's League & Elite Four would automatically be entered into the World Tournament's Championship Rounds.
So, that there should solve some of the problems of there being a World Champion even though something like that hasn't existed before and how would the player get involved with that.
Also, since you want the World Champion to use Legendaries, could have their being one VIP trainer (a new one made for the game) who many believe will win the title not only because of their skill but also because their team of Legendaries (now note they probably wouldn't have mascot Legendaries or ones considered one-of-kind. Think Bird Trio, Beast Trio, Regis, Eon Duo, Cresselia, Heatran, Swords of Justice, Forces of Nature, Kubfu family; not sure about Mythicals, maybe they could have one as their ace, maybe even a new one). Could even have on TV reports of this trainer defeating other well known trainers like Champions, Elite Four, and Frontier Brains/Battle Facility bosses to build them up.
So, how to now get them involved. Well, one easy way is for them to be working for Westing already, though that's just copying the Rose & Leon dynamic. So instead, he sees this Legendary using trainer as an opportunity to begin his grand scheme. I would make Westings plan be having a way to make Legendary Pokemon go out of control, make them unleash their full powerful which should be quite devastating. A simple hypnotic device isn't likely going to work on all Legendaries and might be broken out of, so instead Westing would use a virus that makes Legendaries go mad. He'll infect the Champion's Legendary team with the virus, they'll go crazy and likely kill everyone one (not only eliminating the Champion but also all the other powerful VIPs so they don't get in the way) and then the Legendaries would split to spread chaos (the virus will also make them want to seek out other Legendaries to infect them, and once infected the Legendaries have no interest in each other). And thus Westing will end all of humanity by having Legendaries, Pokemon who he sees as "perfect", unleash their full potential upon the world.

Well that took a sudden dark turn with that killing of someone.

Don't really have much to say as you didn't really say much about either Team Diamond or Legion of Truth. Aside from the killing, sounds like Team Diamond are similar in vain to Team Aqua/Magma with their focus on environmental terrorism. Not that it isn't a bad theme nor can't be expanded upon to make them more unique if not at least in aesthetic & personality (especially with their team leader & admins).

However that mention of a Diancie & Carbink colony gave me some ideas. Well, first off, if that's the only Mythical colony in the game & focus then it would instead likely be a new Legendary (and maybe not based on a diamond, which I imagine would also change the team's name). BUT the idea of having multiple Mythical colonies could maybe work. Like underground you discover a Diancie & Carbink colony, in a sea you find a Manaphy & Phione colony, there's a flower field with a colony of Shaymin, a mountain with a colony of Volcanion, an old factory with Melmetal & Meltan colony, a jungle-like area with a colony of Zarude, etc. (could also probably toss in a few Legendaries with colonies gathered around them like Cresselia, Heatran, & Kubfu family). Show how these Mythicals & Legendaries work within their secret community for the betterment of their environment and maybe what happens if humans disrupt it.

For team Ultra Galaxy, there is a load of story information I didn't give initially to give context.
Firstly, he actually proposes leaving the Gameworld (this breaking the fourth wall) and going to real life's earth to "liberate children" because he believes real life parents are who is too strict, not parents in the Pokemon world necessarily.
Also, the Pokemon league is an elite four challenge.

The reason why Chairman Westing would want the champion is because she is very specially gifted with Pokemon training in addition to having large numbers of legendary Pokemon.

Also, Chairman Westing was actually inspired by Ghetsis and a little bit of Rose. (It makes sense with his secret castle behind the Pokemon League and because he wanted the Champion partly for her Zekrom's power of ideals).

You would have to read the whole stories (which are on my unpublished personal website) to get the full story. I'll be publishing my website in March of next year. I'll announce it on the site when I do.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Firstly, he actually proposes leaving the Gameworld (this breaking the fourth wall) and going to real life's earth to "liberate children" because he believes real life parents are who is too strict, not parents in the Pokemon world necessarily.

Ah, so you're really leaning onto the meta here. My mistake. Well at that point you can do really whatever you want. Just remember to include the interface screws, if you're going to have a villain to be meta may as well give them so fun abilities.

 

[bdt2002]

Hmm. This is a pretty cool thread idea, actually. I have a few evil teams as a part of my unofficial fan region whose name I still can't figure out how to actually spell. (The region's name sounds like some third grader somehow butchered the pronunciation of the word "Johto"- this actually happened with one of my classmates one time and that's how I got the idea.) In any case, here's the main three teams that exist.

Team Cyber: Their name might not be original at all, but their motives certainly are. Essentially, these guys are my take on the multi-billion dollar technology companies that dominate our society in real life. Their actual company is known as "Cyber Industries", with the evil team itself basically being the corrupt parts of the group. Cyber Industries owns over 60% of the technological and consumer electronic shares in my region, and no one really knows what their motives are. All that is known is that Team Cyber wants to use all of this technology for something, and that none of the people who have attempted to "investigate" the Cyber Industries HQ have made it out alive... the actual company themselves have denied any and all allegations of misconduct, so what the heck is going on? As for Pokémon they'd use, you can expect to see a mix of Electric, Steel, and Psychic-Types, much like Colress's battle teams in Black & White 2. They also utilize more advanced strategies a LOT later on in the adventure. Thankfully, they're generous enough to let smaller tech companies survive- in fact, Cyber Industries actually helps some of them on a regular basis.

Moonview Agency: Story time. I absolutely love Mario Kart, and one of my favorite games is the one on the Wii. My favorite course in that game is called Moonview Highway, and it takes place in a big urban city under the moonlight, as the name implies. Childhood Me always wanted to be able to explore the city and the rest of the course in its entirety, sort of like "Mushroom City" in Double Dash. This is ultimately how I came up with the concept for "Moonview City" in my unofficial fan region, which to no one's surprise is the biggest city in the region as a whole. Now onto the Agency itself. In a similar matter to Alola's Aether Foundation, they're a big government-like corporation that eventually gets involved with the region's evil team. Unlike Aether and Team Skull in Alola though, these two teams absolutely hate each other. The Agency's entire motive is to investigate the merits of other evil teams and maintain peace and safety in the region. That isn't to say there aren't conspiracy theorists out there who don't trust the Agency and especially their mysterious presidential figure, though. As for the Pokémon they'd use, this is one of the rare "evil teams" who doesn't really pack a specialty of any kind, instead making their Pokémon selections based on things like the branch of the Agency the employees work for, as well as where they are found and battled at. They also use competitive strategies often.

Shadow Gang: This last group isn't nearly as major to the region's storyline as the other two by any means, rather focusing as the antagonists for one of my many postgame "Story Arcs" the player could unlock and play through in a similar manner to the Delta Episode of ORAS or the Rainbow Rocket Episode of USUM. What I will call the "Shadow Arc" for now (name pending) is practically designed to be the ultimate fan service for any of you who grew up with and loved Pokémon Colloseum and/or Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness. If this team seems almost too similar to Orre's Team Cipher for that reason, that's because they are. They naturally function as the introduction of Shadow Pokémon to the region, and originate from a branch of Team Cyber who became extremely interested with Cipher's work during the events of those older titles. The lower ranking members almost always travel in pairs as a reference to the GameCube games' added emphasis on Double Battles, with the members being battled as such. Their mission? Take advantage of the incredible technology of Cyber Industries and set out to accomplish what Team Cipher couldn't in those games. Various characters from the GameCube saga actually make an appearance in the region in an effort to help the player take them down. My personal favorite is Miror B., who has since opened up a retro jazz café in Moonview City, where you can find and even battle him and his numerous Ludicolo, GameCube soundtracks included.

EDIT: Evil team leaders' battle teams coming in a later post.

 

[guys the ret]

So Westing sound like a fusion of Lysandre & Rose.

I'm not quite sure how well this concept works. For one thing, he wants to destroy humanity but on the surface is for "child liberation"? Bit of a disconnect between those two; like I'm guessing with his position and actual goals he's an adult so why would he even be for that surface goal? Why would he even come to support it, how would he support it? Lysandre also had a disconnect, but it made sense: Lysandre started as a humanitarian but years of trying to improve things only to see little done and the darker side of human nature spiraled him down a descent to madness; He concluded only he knew what was the best for everyone so only him and his culling would live in a new "beautiful" world of Lysandre's vision. And, because being a humanitarian is a widely accepted good thing, he probably was able to get away with any suspicious behavior. I don't think a person's whose surface goal is to "free children from their parents" would be looked in the same positive light and likely be under heavy surveillance.

Not to mention how does enslaving the Champion (let alone the World Champion with Legendaries) help him with his plan? Like, if Westing can enslave the world's strongest trainer who uses Legendary Pokemon I have a feeling his needs have gone far beyond needing this Champion's assistance. The reason Rose needed Leon's help was because Rose wasn't as strong as Leon nor Eternatus. You only battled Rose because he wanted Leon to beat Eternatus so was buying time. If you're wondering why Rose wanted Leon to win, it's because Rose owns the Pokemon League thus Leon works for him, thus Leon winning against Eternatus makes the League looks good and thus makes Rose look good.

As for his team, I imagine if this was for its own game he would be using a Legendary specifically made for that game that serves the same purpose as having Eternatus here as it makes no sense why he has Eternatus.

So, as with past posts, if you don't mind maybe some suggestions.

Click If You Want

First, a name change. I don't see why they're called Ultra Galaxy. Like, it makes them sound like they're a spun off group from Team Galactic. Now maybe it makes sense in-story though even then I would find another way to get across the idea you want from the team's name, and remember you don't need to have "Team" in front of it as we've seen with the Aether Foundation and Macro Cosmos.
With what I'm about to suggest below, can I suggest a name theme that uses the word "Compass"? Not only does it work with Westing's name (could also name his executives after other directions or directional terms) but how you can work with the idea he's for guiding children:

For The Children: So, Westings thing is giving children more freedom while wanting to destroy the world... and he's an adult businessman (who has people in his company working for him knowing this). So, I imagine your idea came from satirizing the whole concept of the Pokemon games having the parents send out their children to have a region wide adventure capturing elemental monsters to battle them. Alright, let's work off that. Westing's surface motivation isn't children liberation, instead it's about encouraging children to go on a Pokemon journey and his business is one that provides children trainers with all the services they'll need. That immediately flips his rather sketchy surface goal to one that would be positively accepted (he could advertise to parents that a Pokemon journey would help their kids learn responsibility & gain life lessons, and with his company's services they'll be safe giving them ease of mind). This would also explain what his company does and how he's likely rich enough to do his ultimate goal, either he owns the Pokemon League or works closely with them and thus has hundreds if not thousands of sponsors and investors; while kids aren't charged for the services the kids are likely providing free entertainment which means merchandising deals as well as advertising paid services for adults (if you had Westing doing this long enough could have some NPCs mention when they were kids they were part of this program and have remained a long time customer even when they had to start paying, which would both show how far reaching Westing's reach and influence is).

For the Genocide: But now we gotta connect this to global genocide. Hm. Well, we already have him a fusion of Lysandre and Rose, how about we also add in a dollop of Ghetsis (and a sprinkle of Cyrus). Make Westing a perfectionist, maybe an eccentric one but still everything he does is fully planned with no expenses spared. He believes if you're going to do something you should put your all into it... and thus you should always be at 100% your best when your an adult. Kids he sees as being untapped potential and started his company to help kids grow up to reach this full potential as adults. Yet, all around him he sees grown men and woman not working as hard, not doing their best, and some even going out of their way to do worst! Even people who were once children that had used his services aren't using their full potential his services was supposed to help them unlock! And HOW DARE THEY! All the world's problems can easily be solved, diseases and misfortune eradicated, no one poor and hungry and depressed. And yet there's people who rather not do anything or, worse, make things worse cause they profit off it. This world is unsalvageable. If humanity wishes to wipe itself so be it, infact why not give it a helping hand? And thus Westing, having driven down a blackhole of despair and madness, decides to destroy humanity (and probably make himself a god to reshape the world how he envisions it should be).
Yes, Westing is indeed someone who thinks this world is imperfect.

Champ's Involvement & Westing's Plans: Now, since you want this to be the World Champ, this probably won't be like a normal Pokemon game's league. It would be a World Tournament, or at least one is going on. Now this brings in the problem of how the player characters gets involved cause how does a kid from nowhere become a participant in a World Tournament where the best-of-the-best see who is the best-of-the-all? In that thought, maybe having a normal Pokemon League going on that the player participates in might not be a bad idea. Here's my thinking:
While top trainers are all having their own tournament running in the background, all regions participating in the World Tournament are each having their own special League Challenge. Any non-VIP trainer who beats their region's League & Elite Four would automatically be entered into the World Tournament's Championship Rounds.
So, that there should solve some of the problems of there being a World Champion even though something like that hasn't existed before and how would the player get involved with that.
Also, since you want the World Champion to use Legendaries, could have their being one VIP trainer (a new one made for the game) who many believe will win the title not only because of their skill but also because their team of Legendaries (now note they probably wouldn't have mascot Legendaries or ones considered one-of-kind. Think Bird Trio, Beast Trio, Regis, Eon Duo, Cresselia, Heatran, Swords of Justice, Forces of Nature, Kubfu family; not sure about Mythicals, maybe they could have one as their ace, maybe even a new one). Could even have on TV reports of this trainer defeating other well known trainers like Champions, Elite Four, and Frontier Brains/Battle Facility bosses to build them up.
So, how to now get them involved. Well, one easy way is for them to be working for Westing already, though that's just copying the Rose & Leon dynamic. So instead, he sees this Legendary using trainer as an opportunity to begin his grand scheme. I would make Westings plan be having a way to make Legendary Pokemon go out of control, make them unleash their full powerful which should be quite devastating. A simple hypnotic device isn't likely going to work on all Legendaries and might be broken out of, so instead Westing would use a virus that makes Legendaries go mad. He'll infect the Champion's Legendary team with the virus, they'll go crazy and likely kill everyone one (not only eliminating the Champion but also all the other powerful VIPs so they don't get in the way) and then the Legendaries would split to spread chaos (the virus will also make them want to seek out other Legendaries to infect them, and once infected the Legendaries have no interest in each other). And thus Westing will end all of humanity by having Legendaries, Pokemon who he sees as "perfect", unleash their full potential upon the world.

Well that took a sudden dark turn with that killing of someone.

Don't really have much to say as you didn't really say much about either Team Diamond or Legion of Truth. Aside from the killing, sounds like Team Diamond are similar in vain to Team Aqua/Magma with their focus on environmental terrorism. Not that it isn't a bad theme nor can't be expanded upon to make them more unique if not at least in aesthetic & personality (especially with their team leader & admins).

However that mention of a Diancie & Carbink colony gave me some ideas. Well, first off, if that's the only Mythical colony in the game & focus then it would instead likely be a new Legendary (and maybe not based on a diamond, which I imagine would also change the team's name). BUT the idea of having multiple Mythical colonies could maybe work. Like underground you discover a Diancie & Carbink colony, in a sea you find a Manaphy & Phione colony, there's a flower field with a colony of Shaymin, a mountain with a colony of Volcanion, an old factory with Melmetal & Meltan colony, a jungle-like area with a colony of Zarude, etc. (could also probably toss in a few Legendaries with colonies gathered around them like Cresselia, Heatran, & Kubfu family). Show how these Mythicals & Legendaries work within their secret community for the betterment of their environment and maybe what happens if humans disrupt it.

Yes, there are other mythical colonies, with a lot of them being situated in a certain paradise area that they don't actually know about yet, eg Shaymin, Zarude, Celebi. There is also a Jirachi colony in the mountains somewhere and as you said, a Manaphy and Phione colony in the ocean. The protagonist will be facing multiple random trainers with mythicals along the way, just to make them and their rivals wonder.

Also I haven't gotten into the twists yet, or the true climax. Stay tuned eventually.

Twist 1

The Champion is the one controlling Team Diamond. His mother, the Psychic gym leader, is controlling him.

 

[DrPumpkinz]

They're a group who is all about child liberation (freeing children from their parents) but their leader Chairman Westing actually wants to end the human population because he is disgusted with it.

So it sounds like you're trying to pull a Plasma where it's later revealed that their goals are actually nefarious, but child abduction is so fundamentally creepy that human extinction somehow feels like a step down. Making it meta does not help.

 

[Tayx]

Something pretty funny: The "Back-in-my-days" team. Their goal is removing all technology, including pokéballs. It doesn't make very sense, but I've got a concept for it:
•Every member uses rock and dragon types except me (the boss), who uses all sorts of fossils
•Their nemesis are Silph co. and Devon co.
•They are all old men

My team would be like this:
Omastar
Armaldo
Rampardos
Archeops
Aurorus
Dracovish

It isn't cool like other teams, but I think it is a pretty funny concept.

 

[Ironmage]

Something pretty funny: The "Back-in-my-days" team. Their goal is removing all technology, including pokéballs. It doesn't make very sense, but I've got a concept for it:
•Every member uses rock and dragon types except me (the boss), who uses all sorts of fossils
•Their nemesis are Silph co. and Devon co.
•They are all old men

My team would be like this:
Omastar
Armaldo
Rampardos
Archeops
Aurorus
Dracovish

It isn't cool like other teams, but I think it is a pretty funny concept.

I've definitely considered the idea of an anti-tech Team before, though my versions usually favour grass and fairy types since I think of them as exalting (a limited view of) nature. I feel like a Team of grumpy old men probably also needs some Normal types since there's often an aspect of "why is everything nowadays so complicated" when talking about the stereotypical complaints.

 

[Samtendo09]

I got my own idea for an antagonist team. They are called Team Treasure.

Basic Idea: Explorers who hunt for treasures and rare Pokémon in order to gain fame and fortune. They do no directly steal from people to avoid a bad image, but a few members are greedier and overhunt rare Pokémon to the point the number of that Pokémon species is dwindling.

Goals: In addition of gaining fame and fortune, their goal in mind is preservation. As in, ensuring that the valuable stuff and Pokémon are well preserved and protected in order to allow future generations to gain knowledge about them, and for future Trainers to take care of the Pokémon.

Why the Player must confront them?: Thanks to the action of their more selfish, greedy members, and the leader’s rather poor PR control, the player ends up getting in the way of the greedier members to the point the one leading them take a more headstrong charge, causing a great inner conflict between members. The player’s job is to stop the greedier members from doing any environmental catastrophe as they tried to tempt with the more destructive side of Pokémon.

Commonly Used Pokémon: Pokémon that are rarely found in the Ironeo region (that’s the name of my fan region) are highly valued among members of Team Treasure, so expect a lot of grunts - benevolent or otherwise - to use them. In addition, most members tend to use Dragon-type, Ghost-type and Ice-type due to their relative rarity. Pokémon themed after precious minerals or other treasures are also seen with them.

Leader and Admins: There is one leader and only two Admins.

• Leader Patrica. Preferring practical uses over the more moral decisions, Patrica is a leader with mixed reception from various members; many loved her for her straight-to-the-point methods and encouraging spirit. Others disliked Patrica due to her negligence of moral questions and blatantly poor PR performances. She partly specializes Ghost-type Pokémon.
• First Admin Ms. Gold. Only known by her family name for many, Ms. Gold is a strict but spiritual person who knows a lot about various treasures from multiple generations, because as she puts it, “it runs in the family”. An old woman with nonetheless impressive Trainer skills, with her partial specialty of Dragon-type putting her a serious edge over other trainers. Her failure to teach discipline for the greedier members give some mean eyes on her, however.
• Second Admin Polo. Despite his part-specialization of Ice-type Pokémon, Polo is a warm-hearted man with a lifty sense of humor, helping his crew to maintain a high morale. He’s also responsible for tracking which Pokémon are simply rare, which are endangered, which are extinct, and which are overly abundant to the point of being a danger to fhe ecosystem. He have a specially high attachment to Ice-type Pokémon in general, particualrly a favorite of his, the Spheal line.

Plot Twist!

Among the high members, Polo is the true antagonist, but only a morally gray (or even morally white) one as his intention to preserve Ice-type Pokémon is made crystal clear. His actions and being leader of the more morally dubious members stems from paranoia from the fact that, beyond the whole climate change ordeal, Ice-type Pokémon tend to be viewed unfavorably and tend to get hunted for fear of another ice age. He go out of way to preserve as many Ice-type Pokémon as possible, no matter the cost.

His actions, however, did pushed his followers to do much worse, and those crooks awakened a trio of destructive Legendary Pokémon that were spirits of the most wicked Pokémon in all of the ancient history, forcing Polo to reconsider his actions. He helped the player to stop those malevolent Legendary Pokémon from doing destruction of the ecosystems. Polo take great responsibility of his actions, and Patrica and Ms. Gold become more focused on improving not only themselves, but also the team as a whole.

There you have it. What would you think?

 

[Pikachu315111]

Team Cyber: Their name might not be original at all, but their motives certainly are. Essentially, these guys are my take on the multi-billion dollar technology companies that dominate our society in real life. Their actual company is known as "Cyber Industries", with the evil team itself basically being the corrupt parts of the group. Cyber Industries owns over 60% of the technological and consumer electronic shares in my region, and no one really knows what their motives are. All that is known is that Team Cyber wants to use all of this technology for something, and that none of the people who have attempted to "investigate" the Cyber Industries HQ have made it out alive... the actual company themselves have denied any and all allegations of misconduct, so what the heck is going on? As for Pokémon they'd use, you can expect to see a mix of Electric, Steel, and Psychic-Types, much like Colress's battle teams in Black & White 2. They also utilize more advanced strategies a LOT later on in the adventure. Thankfully, they're generous enough to let smaller tech companies survive- in fact, Cyber Industries actually helps some of them on a regular basis.

Name:

• Eh, is Magma, Aqua, Galactic (Galaxy in the original Japanese), Plasma, Flare, and Yell any more original? As long as it's fitting the team its as good as a name as any.
• Of course, the problem I more see with it is that, if Cyber wants to keep it's nose low, maybe don't have the villain team you made share the name of your main business. "Gee, I wonder if Team Cyber works with Cyber Industries, there seems to be a connection there but I can't quite put my finger on it". Like, if I was the leader (assuming the leader of Cyber Industries is also the leader of Team Cyber, or even just a higher-up), to try and cover my tracks I would have named the team something like "Team Glitch" and have it appear as cyber terrorists who are attacking Cyber Industries. Cyber Industries looked to have done something sketchy? Cyber Industries PR be like "We're sorry for the misunderstanding. The recent security breach was caused by none other than Team Glitch. We're currently investigating but nothing seems to have been taken or damaged by those hooligans"; meanwhile Cyber Industries stole valuable data.

But overall seems pretty good start of a villain team concept. The "no one investigating them makes it out alive" feels a bit too much, not saying it shouldn't be there but something "lighter" like met with unfortunate accidents that left the lucky ones just incapacitated & scared off (hinting a worse fate for the unlucky without directly mentioning it).

Moonview Agency: Story time. I absolutely love Mario Kart, and one of my favorite games is the one on the Wii. My favorite course in that game is called Moonview Highway, and it takes place in a big urban city under the moonlight, as the name implies. Childhood Me always wanted to be able to explore the city and the rest of the course in its entirety, sort of like "Mushroom City" in Double Dash. This is ultimately how I came up with the concept for "Moonview City" in my unofficial fan region, which to no one's surprise is the biggest city in the region as a whole. Now onto the Agency itself. In a similar matter to Alola's Aether Foundation, they're a big government-like corporation that eventually gets involved with the region's evil team. Unlike Aether and Team Skull in Alola though, these two teams absolutely hate each other. The Agency's entire motive is to investigate the merits of other evil teams and maintain peace and safety in the region. That isn't to say there aren't conspiracy theorists out there who don't trust the Agency and especially their mysterious presidential figure, though. As for the Pokémon they'd use, this is one of the rare "evil teams" who doesn't really pack a specialty of any kind, instead making their Pokémon selections based on things like the branch of the Agency the employees work for, as well as where they are found and battled at. They also use competitive strategies often.

A bit vague on the details, like what exactly makes them a villain team aside people being suspicious of a deeper secret? Working with the other villain team to try and maintain peace? That just sounds like them doing damage control because they can't really do anything else to stop the villain team; just like how the Aether Foundation merely chases off Team Skull instead of using their resources to apprehend the grunts and take them to the police to properly arrest them. I know you're trying to keep things vague, but being this thread is about them being a villain team don't need to be subtle with their true motivations.

Shadow Gang: This last group isn't nearly as major to the region's storyline as the other two by any means, rather focusing as the antagonists for one of my many postgame "Story Arcs" the player could unlock and play through in a similar manner to the Delta Episode of ORAS or the Rainbow Rocket Episode of USUM. What I will call the "Shadow Arc" for now (name pending) is practically designed to be the ultimate fan service for any of you who grew up with and loved Pokémon Colloseum and/or Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness. If this team seems almost too similar to Orre's Team Cipher for that reason, that's because they are. They naturally function as the introduction of Shadow Pokémon to the region, and originate from a branch of Team Cyber who became extremely interested with Cipher's work during the events of those older titles. The lower ranking members almost always travel in pairs as a reference to the GameCube games' added emphasis on Double Battles, with the members being battled as such. Their mission? Take advantage of the incredible technology of Cyber Industries and set out to accomplish what Team Cipher couldn't in those games. Various characters from the GameCube saga actually make an appearance in the region in an effort to help the player take them down. My personal favorite is Miror B., who has since opened up a retro jazz café in Moonview City, where you can find and even battle him and his numerous Ludicolo, GameCube soundtracks included.

Would be a fun twist, Ardos is still out there and their operation in Orre is kaput at this point (and its implied anyway that Cipher had other operations in other regions, Orre was just where they were doing their Shadow Pokemon research). Also, aside from Miror B, the status of the Admins from both games whether they're still part of Cipher is up in the air. Dakim and Venus don't say anything pointing one way or another, & Ein sounds like he's still with Cipher swearing revenge against Wes for ruining their plans; Also note none of these admins appear again in XD. The odd thing about the XD Admins is that the last thing they say to the player is how they've grown to respect them and give them a title not showing hostility (unlike Ardos who labels Michael as "Cipher's Biggest Enemy" and warns Cipher will be tracking him): Lovrina says she's starting a fan club with the player being the first member, Snattle still has goals to become the Governor of Orre and says one he does he'll make the player his secretary (which I can't imagine will happen if he was still part of Orre), and Gorigan just says he respects the player and considers him a friend; they all sorta sound like they quit Cipher though I guess they could have this respect for Michael and still be part of Cipher elsewhere).

Though honestly I'd prefer a third Colosseum game. I've of course came up with my own idea what it's story will be about and how it connects to the previous two, but this isn't the thread for that.

Something pretty funny: The "Back-in-my-days" team. Their goal is removing all technology, including pokéballs. It doesn't make very sense, but I've got a concept for it:
•Every member uses rock and dragon types except me (the boss), who uses all sorts of fossils
•Their nemesis are Silph co. and Devon co.
•They are all old men

My team would be like this:
Omastar
Armaldo
Rampardos
Archeops
Aurorus
Dracovish

It isn't cool like other teams, but I think it is a pretty funny concept.

Well honestly if it wasn't for the "they are all old men" thing I could see this maybe being an actual group. Like they're druids who feel technology has removed humanity too far from nature and have caused us to be too reliant of machines and Pokemon. Sort of like a Team Plasma for humans. For a fun lore reference, maybe even add in characters (likely admins) who are part of known "natural" groups in the Pokemon World: A Draconid, Aura Guardian, Sootopolitan, Seafolk, etc..

I got my own idea for an antagonist team. They are called Team Treasure.

(...)

There you have it. What would you think?

Poacher Preservationist:

• Well it's interesting to see someone else's idea for a group of Pokemon Hunters. However, it's because of that I already feel there's a contradiction: them hunting rare Pokemon yet are preservationists. Sorry, no. Those two goals are not compatible. If you're wondering why, may I point you to the story of how the Great Auk went extinct (you can skip down to the paragraph that starts with "The last colony").
• Poachers do not care about preservation, and preservationists would never do any of the tactics poacher do to secure an animal. I don't feel right combining the two together as we shouldn't be showing poachers as "people who mean well", because they don't. They're in it for the money, damn nature.
• The only way I can see to keep the general theme you're going with is that they're not poachers but rather "Big-Game Hunters". Big-game hunting is an iffy subject as there are a few cases it can be considered an acceptable way to control population and help diversify the gene pool by taking out dominant males so that younger unrelated males can take their place (I believe there's also rules where you can only hunt adult males when it's just for sport, females and young are off limits in this case). It's a potential place you can have these hunters killing for sport yet they defend their actions with the above cases I mentioned (of course above mentions have to be sanctioned by the government and wildlife preservation groups). However "corrupt" big-game hunters, who are essentially poachers, can easily cause rapid population decline and economic disasters by just hunting whatever endangered animal they feel like damn the government and it's "laws". After all, they're just helping diversify the gene pool, right?

Extreme Preservation:

• However, since a large part of your plot is about the preservation, maybe it's best to completely drop the "hunting" part and just have the group be extreme preservationist.
• Instead of hunting rare Pokemon and taking them to a preserve, they find the rare Pokemon's natural habitat and declare the entire area is now recognized as a reservation by the group and declare no human activity. There's a route or road going through it? They'll demand it to be moved so no one runs into one of them. There's a building or few there? They gotta be demolished cause they could be interfering with migration movements. It's already considered a national reservation that has been approved for people to come through it? Well whoever decided that obviously doesn't know what preservation even means.
• Heck, this itself could introduce a new main villain plan where, while many grunts would certainly think they're doing the right thing and maybe the admins, the big bad instead is just doing a land grab scheme and any land they're able to get sells it for development to major corporations. OR, there's maybe some ancient ruins in the places that just so happened to be claimed as a reservation and the big bad just wants to get rid of everyone so that they could unlock the power that the ruins are linked to for themselves.

Plot Twist

Now obviously all these suggestions would interfere with the plot twist concerning Polo. Maybe with the Extreme Preservationist angle it can still work within, just gotta give up the new "plot twist" possibilities it introduces.

That said, I'm also not so sure about the Polo plot twist. For one thing, I don't get why people would fear Ice-types could cause an ice age, that's a ridiculous conclusion jump; so, like, are all Ice-type Gym Leaders and Elite Four members secretly wanting to freeze over the world (I knew we couldn't trust Candice...). Like, if you want to keep this twist, maybe have it that, instead of people hunting the Ice-types, because things are getting hotter and hotter due to climate change it's causing people to go out to the colder places to catch Ice-types to cool their homes (naturally putting stress on the population which would also be already be having stress because things are getting hotter and their natural environment is shrinking & getting harder and harder to maintain).

I don't mind the idea about accidentally releasing a group of "evil" Pokemon. To fit it into the theme, they could be Pokemon representing climate disasters (heat dome, blizzards, hurricanes, acid rain, etc.).

I get it, you're trying to add in ambiguity to the villain teams goals where "they aren't bad buys, they're just doing bad things which will be justified by their grand goal". But this way just isn't quite jelling for me, there's just a logical conflict and in trying to fix it ends up mixing up the story too much the plot twist wouldn't feel quite right. Now, don't get me wrong, I feel there's a good idea for a villain team here, but unfortunately I don't think it would have the level of ambiguity you're hoping it would have. Such stories tend to be hard to do anyway if you're trying to write a plot for a kid's RPG video game where people have elemental monster have kaiju battles against one another.

 

[Samtendo09]

Name:

• Eh, is Magma, Aqua, Galactic (Galaxy in the original Japanese), Plasma, Flare, and Yell any more original? As long as it's fitting the team its as good as a name as any.
• Of course, the problem I more see with it is that, if Cyber wants to keep it's nose low, maybe don't have the villain team you made share the name of your main business. "Gee, I wonder if Team Cyber works with Cyber Industries, there seems to be a connection there but I can't quite put my finger on it". Like, if I was the leader (assuming the leader of Cyber Industries is also the leader of Team Cyber, or even just a higher-up), to try and cover my tracks I would have named the team something like "Team Glitch" and have it appear as cyber terrorists who are attacking Cyber Industries. Cyber Industries looked to have done something sketchy? Cyber Industries PR be like "We're sorry for the misunderstanding. The recent security breach was caused by none other than Team Glitch. We're currently investigating but nothing seems to have been taken or damaged by those hooligans"; meanwhile Cyber Industries stole valuable data.

But overall seems pretty good start of a villain team concept. The "no one investigating them makes it out alive" feels a bit too much, not saying it shouldn't be there but something "lighter" like met with unfortunate accidents that left the lucky ones just incapacitated & scared off (hinting a worse fate for the unlucky without directly mentioning it).



A bit vague on the details, like what exactly makes them a villain team aside people being suspicious of a deeper secret? Working with the other villain team to try and maintain peace? That just sounds like them doing damage control because they can't really do anything else to stop the villain team; just like how the Aether Foundation merely chases off Team Skull instead of using their resources to apprehend the grunts and take them to the police to properly arrest them. I know you're trying to keep things vague, but being this thread is about them being a villain team don't need to be subtle with their true motivations.



Would be a fun twist, Ardos is still out there and their operation in Orre is kaput at this point (and its implied anyway that Cipher had other operations in other regions, Orre was just where they were doing their Shadow Pokemon research). Also, aside from Miror B, the status of the Admins from both games whether they're still part of Cipher is up in the air. Dakim and Venus don't say anything pointing one way or another, & Ein sounds like he's still with Cipher swearing revenge against Wes for ruining their plans; Also note none of these admins appear again in XD. The odd thing about the XD Admins is that the last thing they say to the player is how they've grown to respect them and give them a title not showing hostility (unlike Ardos who labels Michael as "Cipher's Biggest Enemy" and warns Cipher will be tracking him): Lovrina says she's starting a fan club with the player being the first member, Snattle still has goals to become the Governor of Orre and says one he does he'll make the player his secretary (which I can't imagine will happen if he was still part of Orre), and Gorigan just says he respects the player and considers him a friend; they all sorta sound like they quit Cipher though I guess they could have this respect for Michael and still be part of Cipher elsewhere).

Though honestly I'd prefer a third Colosseum game. I've of course came up with my own idea what it's story will be about and how it connects to the previous two, but this isn't the thread for that.



Well honestly if it wasn't for the "they are all old men" thing I could see this maybe being an actual group. Like they're druids who feel technology has removed humanity too far from nature and have caused us to be too reliant of machines and Pokemon. Sort of like a Team Plasma for humans. For a fun lore reference, maybe even add in characters (likely admins) who are part of known "natural" groups in the Pokemon World: A Draconid, Aura Guardian, Sootopolitan, Seafolk, etc..



Poacher Preservationist:

• Well it's interesting to see someone else's idea for a group of Pokemon Hunters. However, it's because of that I already feel there's a contradiction: them hunting rare Pokemon yet are preservationists. Sorry, no. Those two goals are not compatible. If you're wondering why, may I point you to the story of how the Great Auk went extinct (you can skip down to the paragraph that starts with "The last colony").
• Poachers do not care about preservation, and preservationists would never do any of the tactics poacher do to secure an animal. I don't feel right combining the two together as we shouldn't be showing poachers as "people who mean well", because they don't. They're in it for the money, damn nature.
• The only way I can see to keep the general theme you're going with is that they're not poachers but rather "Big-Game Hunters". Big-game hunting is an iffy subject as there are a few cases it can be considered an acceptable way to control population and help diversify the gene pool by taking out dominant males so that younger unrelated males can take their place (I believe there's also rules where you can only hunt adult males when it's just for sport, females and young are off limits in this case). It's a potential place you can have these hunters killing for sport yet they defend their actions with the above cases I mentioned (of course above mentions have to be sanctioned by the government and wildlife preservation groups). However "corrupt" big-game hunters, who are essentially poachers, can easily cause rapid population decline and economic disasters by just hunting whatever endangered animal they feel like damn the government and it's "laws". After all, they're just helping diversify the gene pool, right?

Extreme Preservation:

• However, since a large part of your plot is about the preservation, maybe it's best to completely drop the "hunting" part and just have the group be extreme preservationist.
• Instead of hunting rare Pokemon and taking them to a preserve, they find the rare Pokemon's natural habitat and declare the entire area is now recognized as a reservation by the group and declare no human activity. There's a route or road going through it? They'll demand it to be moved so no one runs into one of them. There's a building or few there? They gotta be demolished cause they could be interfering with migration movements. It's already considered a national reservation that has been approved for people to come through it? Well whoever decided that obviously doesn't know what preservation even means.
• Heck, this itself could introduce a new main villain plan where, while many grunts would certainly think they're doing the right thing and maybe the admins, the big bad instead is just doing a land grab scheme and any land they're able to get sells it for development to major corporations. OR, there's maybe some ancient ruins in the places that just so happened to be claimed as a reservation and the big bad just wants to get rid of everyone so that they could unlock the power that the ruins are linked to for themselves.

Plot Twist

Now obviously all these suggestions would interfere with the plot twist concerning Polo. Maybe with the Extreme Preservationist angle it can still work within, just gotta give up the new "plot twist" possibilities it introduces.

That said, I'm also not so sure about the Polo plot twist. For one thing, I don't get why people would fear Ice-types could cause an ice age, that's a ridiculous conclusion jump; so, like, are all Ice-type Gym Leaders and Elite Four members secretly wanting to freeze over the world (I knew we couldn't trust Candice...). Like, if you want to keep this twist, maybe have it that, instead of people hunting the Ice-types, because things are getting hotter and hotter due to climate change it's causing people to go out to the colder places to catch Ice-types to cool their homes (naturally putting stress on the population which would also be already be having stress because things are getting hotter and their natural environment is shrinking & getting harder and harder to maintain).

I don't mind the idea about accidentally releasing a group of "evil" Pokemon. To fit it into the theme, they could be Pokemon representing climate disasters (heat dome, blizzards, hurricanes, acid rain, etc.).

I get it, you're trying to add in ambiguity to the villain teams goals where "they aren't bad buys, they're just doing bad things which will be justified by their grand goal". But this way just isn't quite jelling for me, there's just a logical conflict and in trying to fix it ends up mixing up the story too much the plot twist wouldn't feel quite right. Now, don't get me wrong, I feel there's a good idea for a villain team here, but unfortunately I don't think it would have the level of ambiguity you're hoping it would have. Such stories tend to be hard to do anyway if you're trying to write a plot for a kid's RPG video game where people have elemental monster have kaiju battles against one another.

Your suggestions are prety good. I’ll keep your suggestions in mind and focus on the “extreme preservationist“ angle you suggested, and make the “plot twist” more than regarding a single type, but for Pokémon as a whole.

The poaching / hunting idea will be very much ditched as well, and make it for just simple trainer classes.

 

[guys the ret]

Anyways, about the admins of Team Diamond. Their names are presumed to be aliases.
Leader "Snowball". A kind-hearted person whose goals of Pokemon preservation had been crushed too many times, causing him to start Team Diamond. (Or is it) The non-grunt pokemon he uses are Cryogonal, Decidueye and Midnight Lycanroc.

First Admin "Rusty". The mentor to the grunts, Rusty joined the group due to Snowball making a good impression on him, and became the second person to join the team. The brains of the group. The non-grunt Pokemon he uses are Lunatone, Umbreon and Flareon

Second Admin "Kyoka" The person who introduced Luke to Team Diamond and the person who handles most of the administrative stuff. The non-grunt Pokemon she uses are Chandelure, Alolan Muk and Gothitelle

Third Admin "Luke"

Spoilers ahead

AKA Champion Anis, who managed to find the Diancie colony and assigned Team Diamond to
1. Protect it from the Legion of Truth
2. Flush out the Legion of Truth from the headlines
He's being controlled by his mother, Anna, but she's not related to the group. At least he thinks that he did the Gym Challenge of his own volition. As Luc, the non-grunt Pokemon he uses are Seaking, Alakazam and Mismagius

Fourth Admin "Fotia" They really believe in trying to stop wildfires all over the place, including in the mines and joined Team Diamond because of this. Trying to use controlled wildfires to stop the real ones from getting to large. The non-grunt he uses are Houndoom, Skarmory and Cacturne.