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13 year old commits suicide thanks to fake Myspace account. Discuss

No, the neighbor girl didn't send the first message, she had sent a message. The article said that someone had told her to send it from a friend bulletin or something.

Plus, how did she think it would end? Did she think Megan would just say "Woah, didn't see THAT one coming, this will make a funny story some day!"? Even if she didn't intend the mass of hate messages, she still created it with bad intentions.
 
No, the neighbor girl didn't send the first message, she had sent a message. The article said that someone had told her to send it from a friend bulletin or something.

Plus, how did she think it would end? Did she think Megan would just say "Woah, didn't see THAT one coming, this will make a funny story some day!"? Even if she didn't intend the mass of hate messages, she still created it with bad intentions.

I understand the point you are trying to make. However, I'm trying to get the facts straight.

The Neighbor girl did send the first nasty message. Read here.

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Mulford learned that the Drews had told her daughter about the prank while carpooling one day, and gave her the password. Believing that the goal was to determine whether Megan bad-mouthed the Drew girl, the Mulford girl sent the message saying Josh had heard Megan treated her friends badly.


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On Sunday night, Oct. 15, Megan went online and was stunned to find a message from Josh, declaring he didn't want to be friends anymore "because I hear you're mean to your friends." Upset, Megan e-mailed Josh to ask why he would say that. Josh was signed off, and Megan went to bed without an answer.

It was the neighbor's daughter, Mulford, who sent this first message, a day before the suicide.
 
Oh okay, I guess I didn't see that part. I was thinking of this quote when I said that:

Some of those girls, also on MySpace, jumped into the fray. One, who had since moved to Ohio, rallied her new friends to attack Megan, too.
 
Okay, I decided to RTFA, and found this quotation:
"If Megan had taken her life with . . . guns I had in the house, I'd be in jail," says Ron Meier, here in his daughter's bedroom. "But they did it with a computer and are walking free."
Guns don't drive people to suicide, and if you're going to equate a computer to a gun, you can't say that the computer was responsible for driving her to suicide. The only way the two could possibly be analogous is if she killed herself by bludgeoning her skull with a computer.
 
Okay, I decided to RTFA, and found this quotation:

Guns don't drive people to suicide, and if you're going to equate a computer to a gun, you can't say that the computer was responsible for driving her to suicide. The only way the two could possibly be analogous is if she killed herself by bludgeoning her skull with a computer.

Indeed. However, I think we can forgive the father for overreacting at this point. It wasn't the article author who wrote that (poor) analogy.
 
Internet bullying is seriously a bad crime. If irl bullying isn't bad enough (and trust me; I have had my fair share, or more than it), people that are alone see a saviour in the internet. To be rid of that dream where you frankly do not want anything but a friend and some form of solace and comfort is, to be honest, mind-shattering. That's what I have problems with here; and that is why, despite what DM truthfully states legally, I think they still should suffer some form of punishment. Not just being ostracised. There should be some form of detention, some form of punishment that makes them go through the same hell that girl went through.

I'm not speaking about legally, legally there's no ground to do this. But morally speaking, I don't think a prank like this can be justified. Sure, the girl took it too far, and suicide is indeed a permanent solution to a temporary problem, but that is NOT an excuse for people to prey and harass on a girl who already struggles more than enough with her self-conscience and her sense of self.
 
The primary problem is the case of "who to blame" and "who to punish" in this case?

From the information in the article, Lori Drews has a chance to have had nothing to do with the suicide. She herself did a despicable act, but I don't think anyone wants legal action for creating a pseudonym and talking to someone she knows through this pseudonym.

In the court of law, you need to prove Lori Drew's involvement beyond a reasonable doubt... and thats not really the case here.

Then what about the mob who most likely was the final push over the edge for Meiers? (IMO, just the straw that broke her back but anyway) Who to punish? Aside from the Mulford girl, who was in possession of the account at that time, who else participated in the mob? Even then, what happened with Mulford is unknown, she could have even given her account to someone else in that timeframe.

(If I were a sick girl playing a prank on someone... I'd keep the pressure on. So I'd give the account to someone I trusted if I couldn't stay on for the whole time...)

Here comes the big question: would a law even make a difference in this case?
 
hitit4three and anyone who's apportioned blame on the girl:

When the child is thirteen, no, I don't think they are to blame for their suicide as they don't have the degree of rationality required to fully evaluate the consequences of their actions, especially not a mentally ill thirteen year old.
 
I can't really determine who to side with this here. On one hand, the Drew family and the other girl's (forgetting the name) actions were terrible and there ought to be some punishment (which there has been now, vigilantism ftw). On the other, the girl was the one who killed herself and did so without any direct encouragement (petty insults do not count). I suppose I agree with m0nkfish's sentiments on the first page mostly. In any case, a quick note on Kikuichimonji's post: apparently you take everything literally, exactly as it is stated, with no ability to interept what the speaker could possibly mean. I'm not trying to defend what the guy said (I personally think it was kind of dumb), but honestly dude that was a pretty assy statement.
 
DragonTamer said:
Here comes the big question: would a law even make a difference in this case?

Yes, I think it definitely would have made a big difference in this case, but purely for the Drews' sake. If the e-mob felt that they had some sort of punishment, they wouldn't have been THIS extreme, but they walked away free legally and the e-mob felt the need to drive them into hiding.
 
On the other, the girl was the one who killed herself and did so without any direct encouragement (petty insults do not count).
"Petty" to you. Why don't you try putting yourself in Megan's shoes for a minute. You're 13, overweight,depressed and looking for friends. You find that one friend who one day out of the blue turns on you and gets others to attack you. If faced with a situation like Megan's I would hardly call it "petty".

would a law even make a difference in this case?
I would say yes. If the Drews were convicted by a law, then I don't think such acts of vigilantism against them would have occurred. (Well maybe; it depends what they got if there was such a law to punish their actions).
 
The girl is a dumbshit for offing herself over the affection of someone she had never even met and the neighbors are assholes for manipulating her. The neighbors have been forced out of business and are in dire financial straits now, not because of suing but because of public outrage, boycotts and harassment. Karma is a bitch.
 
Interesting sidenote, this happened in my hometown... in the same subdivision my sister just purchased a home in!
 
Only read article, first page of this thread, and this current page.....

...but I just wanted to chipped in that I giggled when they said some one said "how do you check register vehicle" or something of the sort because I think I can find out their drivers liscense, vehicle, address, and social security...

...then I thought if I'd do anything with that information...

..but then I got bored upon reading the rest of what I read...
 
It's really beautiful if you think about how intricate the world is.

Think about her emotions, her feelings, her thoughts, and she seems really human.

Think about the other girl and her thoughts and feelings, and she also seems remarkably human.

Think about the consequences of something that could be seen as silly, and how it's created this invisible web that's spread all over the world by now, connecting millions over a single event.

It's really really interesting to me.
 
Yes, I think it definitely would have made a big difference in this case, but purely for the Drews' sake. If the e-mob felt that they had some sort of punishment, they wouldn't have been THIS extreme, but they walked away free legally and the e-mob felt the need to drive them into hiding.

That is a very good point.

We all probably would be fine with some sort of punishment towards the Drews (if it actually could be proven in the courts of course... I still see too many loopholes a lawyer could probably jump at... at least from the evidence only in this article). I don't think a single person actually defended Lori Drew's action in this thread...

Clearly, the public e-mob is outraged... maybe a law is needs to be made for this...
 
This girl, along with every single other user on the planet, has to assume a level of responsibility for their own actions when they get on the internet. That means watching your own ass, being careful around people you don't know, and basically having a head on your shoulders. As saddening as this whole story is, this girl was obviously not mentally strong enough to deal with what happened to her, and that is no one's fault.
Yea, I agree with what's being said here.
 
Akuchi:

How dare you say that she should not receive any blame! Beign 13, albeit a very intelligent 13, I must say that there is absolutely no way to portion off ALL the blame for a suicide onto a single event, especially when no blame at all is going to be given to the Suicide-ee (or suicidalist? self-killler? is there a word for what I am trying to say?)

If you kill yourself, you definitely AT THE MINIMUM, share the blame. You probably shoulder most of it.

And for the record, being mentally ill, and that illness contributing, I would view that as blame on the person...who else does that blame go to? GOD? Her parents giving her crappy, faulty chromosomal DNA combinations?
 
Depression is an illness and has been stated several times that suicide comes about when pain exceeds coping devices. Cancer is also an illness, would you blame someone who died of cancer as being responsible for their death?

In this case the illness was caused by years of bullying and finished by this final cruel act, they are to blame way more than the girl is in my opinion. Funny how if companies expose people to asbestos or radiation and cause breathing related illnesses or cancer they can be sued yet nothing can be done here to these people. I don't see how you can blame the girl more than the bullies and Lori Drew.

EDIT: anyway, she was a minor so I don't think she can be held accountable anyway. You may think you are an awesome 13 year old and all intelligent and shit but I was exactly the same. Yeah I was good at exams but I knew nothing of illnesses. To make the judgements you are. You aren't as grown up as you believe.
 
How dare I? Because I know a hell of a lot more about mental illness than you do, dearest.

She was a minor. A fucking minor. She's not responsible enough in the eyes of the law to fuck, drink, smoke or drive - but you're saying she was responsible and rational enough to make a choice about life and death?
 
Everyone's seems to be so wrapped up in the fact that the Drews "caused" this suicide so they call for punishment they forget that the Drews are already Public Enemy #1. They have to go into hiding, they can't look another person in the eye and their company is closed. Is this not punishment enough? Throw in the fact that they have to install a camera in their house and not answer phone calls.

Legally, they did nothing wrong. Morally, they did a lot wrong. You don't get punished for doing something "morally wrong."

This is partly Megan's fault. She had her computer privileges taken away for a reason and even when she got them back, her mother was still watching her. She didn't know this guy in real life and maybe she should have set up a meeting (Her parents going with her) before she started trusting him and "loving" him.

However, that doesn't mean Lori Drew did anything less wrong. She went to extreme measures to try and find out what Megan said instead of walking over to her house like a real adult should.

Sure it's not a pretty story, but people are too blinded by the actual death to notice Drew had no intention of causing suicide. Would another girl have committed suicide in Megan's place? Hard to say, but they probably wouldn't if they were more mentally strong. I'm not exactly sure if Drew knew about Megan's mental weakness, but she sure didn't act that way when she thought of this idea.

The bottom line is although Drew had some indirect involvement in this suicide, you can't forget about Megan and that's exactly why Drew is not in jail already.
 
Everyone's seems to be so wrapped up in the fact that the Drews "caused" this suicide so they call for punishment they forget that the Drews are already Public Enemy #1. They have to go into hiding, they can't look another person in the eye and their company is closed. Is this not punishment enough? Throw in the fact that they have to install a camera in their house and not answer phone calls.

They've been forced into hiding through vigilantes, something no one can suport.

Legally, they did nothing wrong. Morally, they did a lot wrong. You don't get punished for doing something "morally wrong."

Then why do laws exist if not to punish those who do something morally wrong? If everyone here feels that something morally wrong has taken place then doesn't that justify criminal charges? Other crimes are crimes because everyone knows that particular act is immoral. I don't actually believe that criminal charges could be brought forth, I'm mainly playing devils advocate on this point, but I do feel the family should be able to sue the Drews.

This is partly Megan's fault. She had her computer privileges taken away for a reason and even when she got them back, her mother was still watching her. She didn't know this guy in real life and maybe she should have set up a meeting (Her parents going with her) before she started trusting him and "loving" him.

She was a naive 13 year old. A vulnerable one at that. Can you really expect any 13 year old, nevermind Megan, to take these kind of steps? She sure won't be the only 13 year old on myspace as in general, its fairly normal to have a social networking site and safe. Tell me, did you never watch an 18 year old only film (don't know what its eqivalent in America is) before the legal age?

However, that doesn't mean Lori Drew did anything less wrong. She went to extreme measures to try and find out what Megan said instead of walking over to her house like a real adult should.

No, a real adult wouldn't be petty enough to argue over rumours of such a small case of verbal abuse. Not on the first instance anyway.

Sure it's not a pretty story, but people are too blinded by the actual death to notice Drew had no intention of causing suicide. Would another girl have committed suicide in Megan's place? Hard to say, but they probably wouldn't if they were more mentally strong. I'm not exactly sure if Drew knew about Megan's mental weakness, but she sure didn't act that way when she thought of this idea.

I could tell from the rest of your post that you hadn't read the arguments already mentioned in the thread, which is forgivable its rather long, but i expect you would've read the article. Lori Drew knew full well Megan was on anti-depressants.

The bottom line is although Drew had some indirect involvement in this suicide, you can't forget about Megan and that's exactly why Drew is not in jail already.

13 year olds are minors pretty much everywhere, I can't blame Megan over (or even equally to) this dumb adult.
 
Actually on second thought, the girl who died was an idiot. I mean everyone of us has told someone in a Pokemon battle to go kill themselves or some shit. Now had that person actually did, "opps"
 
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