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Uhhhh

Quick drop everyone. A long time ago everyone always asked me for my Kommo-o spread and i promised one day to throw it out.
After WC1v1 and some other stuff i forgot about it but i guess better late than never

https://pokepast.es/1a2b19115bf037f4

Haku (Kommo-o) (M) @ Kommonium Z
Ability: Bulletproof
EVs: 192 HP / 28 Atk / 24 SpA / 152 SpD / 56 Spe
Calm Nature
- Clanging Scales
- Close Combat
- Substitute/Taunt
- Flamethrower/Shadow Claw


Before anyone nags bout the unused EVs check the note in the Pokepaste.

Have fun with it everyone. Its literally one of my absolute faves and totally underrated mons.

Melo
 

(DO NOT BAN!)
To those getting reqs: Can we vote no ban please? Let's be real, Z-Detect doesn't actually change anything, the tiers the same with or without it. This suspect, as I've said before, is here to distract people from actual issues that people really care about like sleep, zmoves, dragonite, jirachi/togekiss, etc. If this gets banned there will probably be some cooldown period (despite detect ban not changing the meta at all), let's actually try to change the banlist in a relevant way instead of focusing on complete non-issues? Thanks
 
Just a thought,

I think the most reasonable choice would be to ban detect, because that way it stops the abusers and it does not limit opportunity because protect has more pp anyways. It is also efficient, since it is not complex and it can join mud slap/etc as banned moves.

I’ve heard detect can be used to stop imprison strategies but I don’t think they can viably exist to begin with.
 
I suck at 1v1, but let’s analyse the usage stats for OMWC


1v1


Code:
Code:
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Zeraora            |   10 |  13.89% |  40.00% |
| 2    | Aegislash          |    9 |  12.50% |  77.78% |
| 2    | Donphan            |    9 |  12.50% |  66.67% |
| 2    | Charizard          |    9 |  12.50% |  55.56% |
| 2    | Magearna           |    9 |  12.50% |  44.44% |
| 6    | Haxorus            |    7 |   9.72% |  71.43% |
| 7    | Aggron             |    6 |   8.33% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Sableye            |    6 |   8.33% |  33.33% |
| 7    | Landorus-Therian   |    6 |   8.33% |  16.67% |
| 10   | Tapu Lele          |    5 |   6.94% |  60.00% |
| 10   | Greninja           |    5 |   6.94% |  40.00% |
| 10   | Metagross          |    5 |   6.94% |  20.00% |
| 10   | Dragonite          |    5 |   6.94% |  20.00% |
| 14   | Victini            |    4 |   5.56% | 100.00% |
| 14   | Porygon-Z          |    4 |   5.56% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Landorus           |    4 |   5.56% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Genesect           |    4 |   5.56% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Mew                |    4 |   5.56% |  25.00% |
| 14   | Slowbro            |    4 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Kommo-o            |    3 |   4.17% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Meloetta           |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Diancie            |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Rotom-Wash         |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Mawile             |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Empoleon           |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Blacephalon        |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Gardevoir          |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Swampert           |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Garchomp           |    3 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Alakazam           |    3 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Volcanion          |    3 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Tapu Bulu          |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Incineroar         |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Krookodile         |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Necrozma           |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Gengar             |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Zygarde            |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Gyarados           |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Rotom-Heat         |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Deoxys-Speed       |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Tapu Fini          |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Primarina          |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Whimsicott         |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Archeops           |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Hawlucha           |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Zapdos             |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Xurkitree          |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Wishiwashi         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Arcanine           |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Lopunny            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Celesteela         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Crustle            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Tyranitar          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Serperior          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Keldeo             |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Vanilluxe          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Golem              |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Naganadel          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Pheromosa          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Heatran            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Talonflame         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Jumpluff           |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Emolga             |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Ferrothorn         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Volcarona          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Venusaur           |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Manaphy            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Vikavolt           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Buzzwole           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Raikou             |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Magnezone          |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Porygon2           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Nihilego           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Kartana            |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Entei              |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Sawk               |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Houndoom           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Cobalion           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Blissey            |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Toxapex            |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
Wtf is Zeraora doing at the top, it’s got quite a bad winrate. Not great lel, stop using it.

Aggron really stand out for winning all of its 6 games, being quite a reliable team mate. Like, the whole non-fire physical meta loses to it p much.

Don Pham and Aegislash had an excellent run this time, winning the majority of their battles. Dragonite was very disappointing for how ‘good’ it is now, with on 20% winrate.

Victini And Kommo-o really stood out for winning all those with their respective nukes.

K now I’m bored there are too many cteam mons here.

Use wishiwashi https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-827081265
 
I suck at 1v1, but let’s analyse the usage stats for OMWC


1v1


Code:
Code:
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon            | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Zeraora            |   10 |  13.89% |  40.00% |
| 2    | Aegislash          |    9 |  12.50% |  77.78% |
| 2    | Donphan            |    9 |  12.50% |  66.67% |
| 2    | Charizard          |    9 |  12.50% |  55.56% |
| 2    | Magearna           |    9 |  12.50% |  44.44% |
| 6    | Haxorus            |    7 |   9.72% |  71.43% |
| 7    | Aggron             |    6 |   8.33% | 100.00% |
| 7    | Sableye            |    6 |   8.33% |  33.33% |
| 7    | Landorus-Therian   |    6 |   8.33% |  16.67% |
| 10   | Tapu Lele          |    5 |   6.94% |  60.00% |
| 10   | Greninja           |    5 |   6.94% |  40.00% |
| 10   | Metagross          |    5 |   6.94% |  20.00% |
| 10   | Dragonite          |    5 |   6.94% |  20.00% |
| 14   | Victini            |    4 |   5.56% | 100.00% |
| 14   | Porygon-Z          |    4 |   5.56% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Landorus           |    4 |   5.56% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Genesect           |    4 |   5.56% |  50.00% |
| 14   | Mew                |    4 |   5.56% |  25.00% |
| 14   | Slowbro            |    4 |   5.56% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Kommo-o            |    3 |   4.17% | 100.00% |
| 20   | Meloetta           |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Diancie            |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Rotom-Wash         |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Mawile             |    3 |   4.17% |  66.67% |
| 20   | Empoleon           |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Blacephalon        |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Gardevoir          |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Swampert           |    3 |   4.17% |  33.33% |
| 20   | Garchomp           |    3 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Alakazam           |    3 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 20   | Volcanion          |    3 |   4.17% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Tapu Bulu          |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Incineroar         |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Krookodile         |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Necrozma           |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Gengar             |    2 |   2.78% | 100.00% |
| 32   | Zygarde            |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Gyarados           |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Rotom-Heat         |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Deoxys-Speed       |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Tapu Fini          |    2 |   2.78% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Primarina          |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Whimsicott         |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Archeops           |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Hawlucha           |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Zapdos             |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 32   | Xurkitree          |    2 |   2.78% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Wishiwashi         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Arcanine           |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Lopunny            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Celesteela         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Crustle            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Tyranitar          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Serperior          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Keldeo             |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Vanilluxe          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Golem              |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Naganadel          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Pheromosa          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Heatran            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Talonflame         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Jumpluff           |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Emolga             |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Ferrothorn         |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Volcarona          |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Venusaur           |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Manaphy            |    1 |   1.39% | 100.00% |
| 48   | Vikavolt           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Buzzwole           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Raikou             |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Magnezone          |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Porygon2           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Nihilego           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Kartana            |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Entei              |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Sawk               |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Houndoom           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Cobalion           |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Blissey            |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
| 48   | Toxapex            |    1 |   1.39% |   0.00% |
Wtf is Zeraora doing at the top, it’s got quite a bad winrate. Not great lel, stop using it.

Aggron really stand out for winning all of its 6 games, being quite a reliable team mate. Like, the whole non-fire physical meta loses to it p much.

Don Pham and Aegislash had an excellent run this time, winning the majority of their battles. Dragonite was very disappointing for how ‘good’ it is now, with on 20% winrate.

Victini And Kommo-o really stood out for winning all those with their respective nukes.

K now I’m bored there are too many cteam mons here.

Use wishiwashi https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-827081265
These usage stats definitely are not right. I remember very distinctly Osra using nihilego twice, while on the usage stats it say once. This is only the first mistake that I saw. Please redo this and make sure everything is correct.
 
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These usage stats definitely are not right. I remember very distinctly Osra using nihilego twice, while on the usage stats it say once. This is only the first mistake that I saw. Please redo this and make sure everything is correct.
Um I copied and pasted off GL Volkner’s usage stats in that thread, so like, how was I meant to know!
 
Um I copied and pasted off GL Volkner’s usage stats in that thread, so like, how was I meant to know!
If you just copy/paste without trying to figure out if it was/still is valid, then you really can't blame anyone but yourself. Also, that was a little rude, being confrontational isn't going to help. :( Perhaps next time, try telling them what you did and state that you honestly didn't know it was wrong. Being upfront while still being courteous is always good.
 

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I know freddy meant well, but dont attack BoopToOblivion who literally stated in his post that he just wanted to ANALYSE the usage stats, he’s not the one who actually made them. Yeah they’re wrong but he had no way of knowing that they weren’t wrong. Will have a word with GL Volkner about that... (also dont bash newbies for trying to get involved)

Edit: GL Volkner has only released the Stage 1 Usage Stats of the WCOM. The Nihilego games were in Stage 2.
 
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