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Snorlax A- ---> A/A+

ok so ik im ranking this a lil too high but it deserves a raise, yawn abuses sleep which is good, 160 hp and 110 spdef is good too, and +6 attack is great.
Snorlax @ Normalium Z
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 104 HP / 152 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Yawn
- Protect
- Double-Edge
- Belly Drum

Genesect B+ ---> A-

genesect is a great mon with rlly good coverage able to sport moves as bug buzz, flash cannon, flamethrower, thunderbolt, ice beam, gear grind, iron head, x-scizor, it stands out vs the rest of the pokemon on b+.

gonna promo some mons i made now

Escavalier @ Steelium Z
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 32 Def / 96 SpD
Impish Nature
- Megahorn
- Iron Head
- Swords Dance
- Iron Defense

we built this mon in Baleblaze 's groupchat that lasted for 8 hours i'd like to put it somewhere in c/b it's actually p darn good
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Subzero Slammer (200 BP) vs. 252 HP / 32+ Def Escavalier: 169-199 (49.1 - 57.8%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 32+ Def Escavalier: 113-134 (32.8 - 38.9%) -- 99.7% chance to 3HKO
128 Atk Escavalier Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-Black: 492-582 (125.8 - 148.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

win

0 Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kyurem-Black Fusion Bolt vs. 252 HP / 32+ Def Escavalier: 145-171 (42.1 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
28 Atk Escavalier Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Kyurem-Black: 368-434 (81 - 95.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

win

+3 128 Atk Escavalier Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gyarados: 373-440 (112.6 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

just iron defense + sd and win


252 Atk Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 32+ Def Escavalier in Electric Terrain: 333-393 (96.8 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

we have a __chance__

252 SpA Tapu Koko Gigavolt Havoc (185 BP) vs. 252 HP / 96 SpD Escavalier in Electric Terrain: 321-378 (93.3 - 109.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

we have a __chance__


Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 96 SpA / 48 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Reflect
- Foul Play
- Thunderbolt
- Recover

PLEASE RANK THIS MON


bye pqs


e: was looking at oras vr and p2 was a- rank at one point
A set or Pokémon can be one of the best things you've ever seen, and still not deserve to be ranked anywhere above D

Escavalier is an excellent example. Other than the fact that I've been unable to beat a reasonable portion of the metagame with it (I kinda had to for secret santa) it's also outclassed in every role it could possibly fit in.

Allow me to go over the things your set claims to beat.

Kyurem-Black: I won't argue with this because it clearly beats it and I don't want to spread dissatisfaction by saying things like "Jirachi does this better"

Gyarados: 76+ Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Waterfall vs. +2 252 HP / 32+ Def Escavalier: 63-75 (18.3 - 21.8%) -- possible 5HKO
76+ Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. +2 252 HP / 32+ Def Escavalier: 52-63 (15.1 - 18.3%) -- possible 6HKO

After one iron defense, gyarados can get a 6HKO.

2/6 happen before the iron defense (because def isn't doubled yet)
2/6 happen while you're setting up swords dances
1/6 happens before you attack (more on that later)

You could state the last 1/6 is a roll. But you mega to make that guaranteed KO

That means a reasonably invested gyarados can just KO you.
Also in those 5 waterfalls, gyarados has a 66.3% chance to flinch at least one, as well as a 19.1% chance to crit.

even if you factor in that these plays might not be optimal for either side, it will always be an unreliable matchup, not even mentioning taunt gyarados yet

oh also, I said "more on that later"

+3 128 Atk Escavalier Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Gyarados-Mega: 260-306 (65.9 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 128 Atk Escavalier Corkscrew Crash (160 BP) vs. 252 HP / 76 Def Gyarados: 340-401 (86.2 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

That doesn't KO. so you get the 6th hit guaranteed with Gyarados.


in conclusion
Out of the 3 things Escavalier is said to beat, it loses to Tapu Koko (you lose to substitute, reflect and taunt with 50/50s, and then lose to the roll), it also loses to Gyarados as I explained.

So all Escavalier is brought down to at this point, is a steel type that happens to beat an ice type with a z-move.

I was joking about doing this after the secret santa teambuilding, but I might as well say it now: Nominating Escavalier for do not use because it really brings nothing to your team that other Pokémon can't. Just use Genesect, Scizor or even Durant for the same result but better.
 
A few nominations for some of my old school heat mons that I think are still pretty damn good:

Suicune for C-
Suicune @ Waterium Z
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 20 Def / 164 SpA / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind
- Calm Mind
- Mirror Coat

What it beats: Mega Charizard (form-based 50/50), Curse Mimikyu, Dragonite, Magearna, Mega Mawile, Aegislash, Landorus-T, Porygon-Z, Zygarde, Mega Aggron, Blaziken, Donphan, Garchomp, Scarf Genesect, Golem, Greninja, Naganadel, Primarina, Tapu Fini
Why it's not higher: Suicune is actually pretty solid if you look at all of those mons it beats. The reason why I'm nominating it for as low as C-, though, is because it simply loses to Mega Gyarados, Non-Specs Kyurem-B, Tapu Koko, and most Tapu Lele.

Haxorus for D
Haxorus @ Choice Band
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Superpower
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail

Scarf and Groundium are some other possibilities

What it beats: Non-Scarf Kyurem-B, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Dragonite, Magnezone, Non-Scarf Porygon-Z, Snorlax, Mega Venusaur, Zygarde, Golem
Why it's not higher: Kyurem-B exists lol
Why it's not lower: Haxorus is 2 base Speed faster than Kyurem, allowing it to beat Mimikyu and Kyub. It also learns Superpower and Earthquake, which allow it to beat Snorlax and Tapu Koko, who would typically beat Choice Band Kyub.

Cloyster for D
Cloyster @ Life Orb
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 68 HP / 192 Atk / 248 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Rock Blast
- Icicle Spear
- Barrier

What it beats: Non-Taunt Mega Gyarados, some Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X, Mimikyu, Dragonite, Landorus-T, Mega Pinsir, Zygarde, Donphan, Garchomp, Golem, Jumpluff
Why it's not higher: Cloyster loses to just about every Steel or Water type in existence minus Gyarados and Excadrill and also has base 45 Special Defense with base 50 HP.

Deoxys-S for C
Deoxys-Speed @ Psychium Z
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 176 HP / 120 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Psychic
- Recover

Other possibilities include PP stall and Specs

What it beats: Most Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X (prediction reliant), Tapu Koko, Mega Charizard Y, Mega Lopunny, Specs Magearna, non-SD Mega Mawile, Landorus-T, non-Metal Sound Magnezone, Mega Pinsir, Porygon-Z, Mega Venusaur, Blaziken, Donphan, Garchomp, Golem, Mega Heracross, Naganadel, Primarina, non-CM Tapu Fini
Why it's not lower: Why was this ever unranked? It's honest to god a really solid mon - just take a look at the above list...
Why it's not higher: That being said, many of the things it supposed to check have certain sets that can work around it like Kyurem-B using a Choice item or Magnezone running Metal Sound.
 
A few nominations for some of my old school heat mons that I think are still pretty damn good:

Suicune for C-
Suicune @ Waterium Z
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 20 Def / 164 SpA / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind
- Calm Mind
- Mirror Coat

What it beats: Mega Charizard (form-based 50/50), Curse Mimikyu, Dragonite, Magearna, Mega Mawile, Aegislash, Landorus-T, Porygon-Z, Zygarde, Mega Aggron, Blaziken, Donphan, Garchomp, Scarf Genesect, Golem, Greninja, Naganadel, Primarina, Tapu Fini
Why it's not higher: Suicune is actually pretty solid if you look at all of those mons it beats. The reason why I'm nominating it for as low as C-, though, is because it simply loses to Mega Gyarados, Non-Specs Kyurem-B, Tapu Koko, and most Tapu Lele.

Haxorus for D
Haxorus @ Choice Band
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Superpower
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail

Scarf and Groundium are some other possibilities

What it beats: Non-Scarf Kyurem-B, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Dragonite, Magnezone, Non-Scarf Porygon-Z, Snorlax, Mega Venusaur, Zygarde, Golem
Why it's not higher: Kyurem-B exists lol
Why it's not lower: Haxorus is 2 base Speed faster than Kyurem, allowing it to beat Mimikyu and Kyub. It also learns Superpower and Earthquake, which allow it to beat Snorlax and Tapu Koko, who would typically beat Choice Band Kyub.

Cloyster for D
Cloyster @ Life Orb
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 68 HP / 192 Atk / 248 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Rock Blast
- Icicle Spear
- Barrier

What it beats: Non-Taunt Mega Gyarados, some Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X, Mimikyu, Dragonite, Landorus-T, Mega Pinsir, Zygarde, Donphan, Garchomp, Golem, Jumpluff
Why it's not higher: Cloyster loses to just about every Steel or Water type in existence minus Gyarados and Excadrill and also has base 45 Special Defense with base 50 HP.

Deoxys-S for C
Deoxys-Speed @ Psychium Z
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 176 HP / 120 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Psychic
- Recover

Other possibilities include PP stall and Specs

What it beats: Most Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X (prediction reliant), Tapu Koko, Mega Charizard Y, Mega Lopunny, Specs Magearna, non-SD Mega Mawile, Landorus-T, non-Metal Sound Magnezone, Mega Pinsir, Porygon-Z, Mega Venusaur, Blaziken, Donphan, Garchomp, Golem, Mega Heracross, Naganadel, Primarina, non-CM Tapu Fini
Why it's not lower: Why was this ever unranked? It's honest to god a really solid mon - just take a look at the above list...
Why it's not higher: That being said, many of the things it supposed to check have certain sets that can work around it like Kyurem-B using a Choice item or Magnezone running Metal Sound.
Really nice list, im surprised that cloyster isnt even on the vr yet.

Also im starting to wonder if lando-t should drop a little, but since I'm in a rush this can wait a little
 
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Really nice list, im surprised that cloyster isnt even on the vr yet.

Also im starting to wonder if lando-t should drop a little, but since I'm in a rush this can wait a little
Landorus-Therian is perfectly fine where it is in A- rank, able to beat many Pokemon such as Gyarados-Mega, Tapu Koko, and Mimikyu, as well as many others.


inb4 bUT gYARaDOs beATs LANdoT BECauSe WatER vS GRouND
 
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Landorus-Therian is perfectly fine where it is in A- rank, able to beat many Pokemon such as Gyarados-Mega, Tapu Koko, and Mimikyu, as well as many others.


inb4 bUT gYARaDOs beATs LANdoT BECauSe WatER vS GRouND
I guess the rank is fine but the matchup is EVEN, but definitely in Lando's favor.
Gyarados can be invested in tons of ways, so even after intimidate, waterfall can or cannot 2hko and possibly score a flinch. Or, Gyarados can dragon dance. If no flinch, then Lando has to bulk up, and go for rock tomb. (Groundium users): This is where a read comes in; if the gyarados mega evolves, tectonic rage will hurt it. If not, it will miss and Gyarados gets a free turn to win. Flyinium users can use their z-move any time they want. Gyarados can go for ice fang, but this is almost never seen on the ladder.
 
I guess the rank is fine but the matchup is EVEN, but definitely in Lando's favor.
Gyarados can be invested in tons of ways, so even after intimidate, waterfall can or cannot 2hko and possibly score a flinch. Or, Gyarados can dragon dance. If no flinch, then Lando has to bulk up, and go for rock tomb. (Groundium users): This is where a read comes in; if the gyarados mega evolves, tectonic rage will hurt it. If not, it will miss and Gyarados gets a free turn to win. Flyinium users can use their z-move any time they want. Gyarados can go for ice fang, but this is almost never seen on the ladder.
yes we established that
 
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Heyo. Here's some viability shift suggestions:

Naganadel B+ ---> A-
Naganadel is a very anti-meta mon, and with a combination of the timid and modest specs sets can beat every tapu save scarf lele, (given proper evs), every non scarf kyurem (sounds silly to say but it is half of all kyurems), a good portion of metagross sets (besides slow specially bulky, but those are more niche in a speed heavy metagame), zygod, slowbro, venusaur, jumpluff, primarina, most chars, most magearnas, mawile, pinsir-mega, and even speedy dragonite with multiscale, if its speedy.

Mega-Mawile A---> A-
Mega Mawile's raw power is nothing to scoff at, but recently it has been falling behind, especially in USUM. Virtually every new addition to the USUM metagame has been a hindrance to Mawile (Stakataka, Naganadel, Zygarde-Complete, Blacephalon (I acknowledge sucker punch, but not every Blacephalon set runs choice/4 attacks), along with the legalization of Blaziken.

Mega-Pinsir A- ---> B+
2 weeks after the introduction of zygarde-complete, I think I have seen maybe Three mega pinsirs used on ladder. The standard defensive set has murdered Pinsir usage. That being said, If Zygod is banned come February 4th, his usage will go back up, and he is still respectable, but not nearly as threatening as pre-Zygod, so perhaps wait until the Ban/No Ban decision is made to change his rank, if at all.

Mew B- ---> B/B+
Two words: Kee Berry. This evil berry has finally made Mew relevant in Gen 7, besides the gimmicky Genesis Supernova. If you aren't a dark/bug/ghost type, if you aren't a faster taunt user, its over. It feels very, very similar to Deoxys-Defense, though not to that degree because a lack of Pressure. In any case, given it's severe annoyance and effectiveness, it deserves to be ranked among mons like Chansey and Jirachi

Zygarde-10% D ---> Unranked
What does this mon consistently beat again? Heatran? It's pitiful defenses paired with typing that all of the metagame is naturally prepared against (thanks to it's older brother and kyurem-black) leads it to being a new dog with no new trick, unable to kill anything before it is killed itself.

That is all, I believe.
 
Heyo. Here's some viability shift suggestions:

Naganadel B+ ---> A-
Naganadel is a very anti-meta mon, and with a combination of the timid and modest specs sets can beat every tapu save scarf lele, (given proper evs), every non scarf kyurem (sounds silly to say but it is half of all kyurems), a good portion of metagross sets (besides slow specially bulky, but those are more niche in a speed heavy metagame), zygod, slowbro, venusaur, jumpluff, primarina, most chars, most magearnas, mawile, pinsir-mega, and even speedy dragonite with multiscale, if its speedy.

Mega-Mawile A---> A-
Mega Mawile's raw power is nothing to scoff at, but recently it has been falling behind, especially in USUM. Virtually every new addition to the USUM metagame has been a hindrance to Mawile (Stakataka, Naganadel, Zygarde-Complete, Blacephalon (I acknowledge sucker punch, but not every Blacephalon set runs choice/4 attacks), along with the legalization of Blaziken.

Mega-Pinsir A- ---> B+
2 weeks after the introduction of zygarde-complete, I think I have seen maybe Three mega pinsirs used on ladder. The standard defensive set has murdered Pinsir usage. That being said, If Zygod is banned come February 4th, his usage will go back up, and he is still respectable, but not nearly as threatening as pre-Zygod, so perhaps wait until the Ban/No Ban decision is made to change his rank, if at all.

Mew B- ---> B/B+
Two words: Kee Berry. This evil berry has finally made Mew relevant in Gen 7, besides the gimmicky Genesis Supernova. If you aren't a dark/bug/ghost type, if you aren't a faster taunt user, its over. It feels very, very similar to Deoxys-Defense, though not to that degree because a lack of Pressure. In any case, given it's severe annoyance and effectiveness, it deserves to be ranked among mons like Chansey and Jirachi

Zygarde-10% D ---> Unranked
What does this mon consistently beat again? Heatran? It's pitiful defenses paired with typing that all of the metagame is naturally prepared against (thanks to it's older brother and kyurem-black) leads it to being a new dog with no new trick, unable to kill anything before it is killed itself.

That is all, I believe.
The reason Zydoggo is D is because it can sometimes beat non-Scarf Kyurem-Black variants. But yeah, that's basically it's only niche over Zygarde-50%, and to be frank, I'm not entirely convinced it's even good enough to be D.
 
Naganadel B+ ---> A-
Naganadel is a very anti-meta mon, and with a combination of the timid and modest specs sets can beat every tapu save scarf lele, (given proper evs), every non scarf kyurem (sounds silly to say but it is half of all kyurems), a good portion of metagross sets (besides slow specially bulky, but those are more niche in a speed heavy metagame), zygod, slowbro, venusaur, jumpluff, primarina, most chars, most magearnas, mawile, pinsir-mega, and even speedy dragonite with multiscale, if its speedy.
Naganadel can beat very many things, I agree. I do not however, think that it belongs in A-. For me, the main distinction between the B and A ranks are how reliable the upper ranked mons are. They can always be expected to put in work. Naganadel has a problem in that area. It wants to be able to beat Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X, Mega Metagross, Tapu Lele, Dragonite, Landorus-T etc reliably, but bulkier EV spreads or Choice Scarfs just put an end to it. For that reason, I think Naganadel should not rise.

Mega-Mawile A---> A-
Mega Mawile's raw power is nothing to scoff at, but recently it has been falling behind, especially in USUM. Virtually every new addition to the USUM metagame has been a hindrance to Mawile (Stakataka, Naganadel, Zygarde-Complete, Blacephalon (I acknowledge sucker punch, but not every Blacephalon set runs choice/4 attacks), along with the legalization of Blaziken.
Agreed, the meta hasn't been kind to Mega Mawile, and Magearna has always been better than it.

Mega-Pinsir A- ---> B+
2 weeks after the introduction of zygarde-complete, I think I have seen maybe Three mega pinsirs used on ladder. The standard defensive set has murdered Pinsir usage. That being said, If Zygod is banned come February 4th, his usage will go back up, and he is still respectable, but not nearly as threatening as pre-Zygod, so perhaps wait until the Ban/No Ban decision is made to change his rank, if at all.
Usage does not equal viability, and to the contrary, lower usage can make a mon/set all of the more threatening. Despite this, I would have to agree that most of Pinsir's sets are at a B+ level. It does have one set, however, that is easily A- in my book, and since the mons' ranks are supposed to be reflective of the Pokemon's best set, not most used sets, I don't think it should drop.
Pinsir-Mega @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 60 HP / 192 Atk / 16 SpD / 240 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bulk Up
- Giga Impact
- Earthquake
- Substitute

This set beats Magearna and Mega Mawile, sometimes beats Aegislash, and doesn't autolose to Mega Metagross like most Pinsirs.


Mew B- ---> B/B+
Two words: Kee Berry. This evil berry has finally made Mew relevant in Gen 7, besides the gimmicky Genesis Supernova. If you aren't a dark/bug/ghost type, if you aren't a faster taunt user, its over. It feels very, very similar to Deoxys-Defense, though not to that degree because a lack of Pressure. In any case, given it's severe annoyance and effectiveness, it deserves to be ranked among mons like Chansey and Jirachi.
Agree with Mew rising to B. Kew™ is super nasty to face and a lot of teams are unprepared to deal with it.

Zygarde-10% D ---> Unranked
What does this mon consistently beat again? Heatran? It's pitiful defenses paired with typing that all of the metagame is naturally prepared against (thanks to it's older brother and kyurem-black) leads it to being a new dog with no new trick, unable to kill anything before it is killed itself.
It loses to quite a few things that the big version can take on like Donphan, but due to its ability to spam Sub to proc Power Construct, it's not a huge disadvantage. As Dramps said, its niche is that it beats non-Scarf Kyurem-B. Note that it also beats Mega Gyarados and Mega Charizard, just like 50%. D is a rank for Pokemon that have tiny niches, and that's where Zydog belongs.
 
I'm adding this since it's not here already,

Rhyperior Unranked --> D or something

Rhyperior was the most recent project in a 1v1 workshop. The set may seem weird, but it makes Rhyperior actually much better. And it's quite an improvement, I'll tell you.

yours (Rhyperior) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 56 Atk / 200 SpD
Brave Nature (Or Sassy)
IVs: 30 Spe
- Rock Wrecker/Fire Punch
- Earthquake
- Rock Blast
- Metal Burst

The assault vest, ev's, and solid rock let Rhyperior tank moves as strong as Zard-Y's Solar Beam, and it also tanks other special attacks to the point that Heatran's flash cannon is a 3HKO. Its base 140 attack stat comes out really strong. Watch as Dragonite, KyuB, Crustle, Zard, and (sometimes) Jumpluff fall to rock blast.

That being said, it is far from flawless. Grass and Water types are still problematic for it. Primarina can take it out with water without even investing at all. It can also be walled n' stalled, by Pyukumuku, Celesteela, and kee berry Mew.

Ultimately, this thing is pretty good and it deserves to be ranked (again; it used to be last year).
 
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Naganadel B+ to A-
I pretty much agree with people wanting to rise Naganadel up. I've been toying with it and facing it a lot on ladder thanks to the recent CLC and I can say it is an underrated threat. Its typing and stats are just enough to punish metagame trends just as Non-Scarf Kyurem-Black, Non-Scarf Tapu Lele, Tapu Koko, Landorus-T, Non-Scarf Porygon-Z, Zygarde Complete, both charizard and much more depending on its coverage moves like Thunder Bolt / Air Slash or Dragon Pulse which gives it the possibility to defeat Mega Venusaur, Mega Heracross and many more. Naganadel is frail, but it is powerful and it doesn't need to even tank a hit to win. A lot of teams are 3-0'd by Naganadel as it is a serious threat if you do not prepare for it. It does lose to Mega Meta depending on the set, Sturdy Users and others but it doesn't really have to beat the whole metagame to be A-.

Magearna A to A+
This Pokemon should probably rise, it is a really versatile Pokemon and new recent metagame trends gives it the advantage. The (new) Fairium-Z set can bypass a lot of Pokemon that the Specs set cannot, such as Specially Defensive Pokemon, Mega Metagross (50/50), Dragonite and it can go against Groundium-Z sturdy users like Donphan and Golem with some bulk. It also beats a lot of trend Pokemon such as Kyurem-Black, Mega Gyarados, Mega Lopunny, Porygon-Z and more. But the main point here is that Magearna gained a new set and isn't as one dimensional as it was before, Iron Defense / Calm Mind with Fairium-Z and the Specs set are different and allow Magearna to adjust its checks and counters depending on the team. Additionally, sets have little to no opportunity loss and aren't niche or whatsoever.

Metagross-Mega A+ to S
This is like one of the most versatile Pokemon in the metagame and it really keeps on getting better. Its moveset keeps on evolving and has many options to pick from, from Bullet Punch, Meteor Mash, Ice Punch, Earthquake to Zenheadbut and others. All of that coupled with a great ability before and after mega evolution plus a great typing that allows it to beat prominent Fairy-type Pokemon and great bulk allowing it to be tweaked to live even the scariest attacks such as GigaVH from Tapu Koko. Some sets also run Magnet Rise to defeat Sturdy Pokemon. Mega Metagross is really unpredictable and defeat as many Pokemon (Maybe some less) than Mega Gyarados and Kyurem-Black. It is as versatile as them and as terrifying as them so it should be in the wave.

There's some Pokemon in B and lower ranks but I'll post later.
 

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Hot takes
Gyara isn't worse than Kyub. Kyub runs icium and scarf.
Gear isn't a+. Okay a new set was discovered, that doesn't mean it automatically should shoot up to a very important meta game defining rank
Gross isn't S. Wooooooow, you have 2 coverage slots. Sick.
Naga is a-. Fire mon.
Kee berry mew rocks and is b
Rhyperior sucks and shouldn't be ranked in 2018
Lele isn't a+. With gear trending right now it just isn't great. Never was imo.
 
Hot takes
Gyara isn't worse than Kyub. Kyub runs icium and scarf.
Gear isn't a+. Okay a new set was discovered, that doesn't mean it automatically should shoot up to a very important meta game defining rank
Gross isn't S. Wooooooow, you have 2 coverage slots. Sick.
Naga is a-. Fire mon.
Kee berry mew rocks and is b
Rhyperior sucks and shouldn't be ranked in 2018
Lele isn't a+. With gear trending right now it just isn't great. Never was imo.
Nothing but the literal truth. That magearna set isn’t new. It’s months old. Swaggg just doesn’t hang out with you guys.

Kee berry mew rocks and is b.
Ya’ll are welcome. S/o my boy fireeee and the dude in the gen 6 thread who posted it. Run Amnesia instead of Seismic Toss, though.
 
I also love when a nomination gets countered with a one liner. I'm not nominating Magearna cause new set. I'm nominating Magearna cause with the combination of both of its sets can accomplish and defeat many Pokemon in the metagame. Magearna is a threat in the metagame. Specs and Fairium-Z can defeat a lot of metagame threats and trends also its typing helps it a lot so intead of saying "lol new set" you can write arguments telling us why do you think it doesn't deserve a rise.

Tapu Lele A+ to A: Agree
It's being used with Specs and Scarf but still, recent metagame isn't favoring it right now. There's a lot of Steel-type Pokemon and faster heavy hitters running around and Tapu Lele doesn't beat that many. It was great at the beginning of the generation but right now it doesn't have the same impact it used to have. I'm not saying that Tapu Lele is bad at this moment, it is still a good Pokemon but not on the level of Tapu Koko and Mimikyu.
 
Well.. I haven't posted in a while.. . Altaria-Mega: B---->B-
Altaria is one of my favorite megas and one of my favorite megas to use. Since I started to play 1v1 in late ORAS, I have been using m altaria and trying to make a "perfect" set and try to rise the mons viability. Since then tho, I have realized that m altaria is one of the worst dragons to use in 1v1. First, Altaria is outclassed by Kyu B, Naganadel, Char X, Dragonite, Zygarde-C, etc and shouldnt be used over these mons as it isnt even the best dragon mega (that goes to Charizard X easily). Also in the B rank, there are mons waaay better than altaria like chansey, sawk, jirachi, (this thing can rise) and even Meloetta. Altaria has a niche though as it has a very high damaging move in giga impact from pixilate + STAB and can crush opponents from +1. It also has a nice typing with Dragon/Fairy typing. A downside of that dual typing though is that u still take fairy types super effectively and take tons of damage from lele, koko, magearna, mimikyu,(if not boosted from cotton guard ;-;) and mega mawile. One positive side about mega altaria is that u no longer take super effective hits from dragon moves and that u can take on some dragon types excluding naganadel and kyu b. I hope u can now and more clearly see why Mega Altaria needs to drop AT LEAST a sub rank.
Also, DROP MEGA HERACROSS! THAT THING SHOULDN'T BE B+!!!!
 
Well.. I haven't posted in a while.. . Altaria-Mega: B---->B-
Altaria is one of my favorite megas and one of my favorite megas to use. Since I started to play 1v1 in late ORAS, I have been using m altaria and trying to make a "perfect" set and try to rise the mons viability. Since then tho, I have realized that m altaria is one of the worst dragons to use in 1v1. First, Altaria is outclassed by Kyu B, Naganadel, Char X, Dragonite, Zygarde-C, etc and shouldnt be used over these mons as it isnt even the best dragon mega (that goes to Charizard X easily). Also in the B rank, there are mons waaay better than altaria like chansey, sawk, jirachi, (this thing can rise) and even Meloetta. Altaria has a niche though as it has a very high damaging move in giga impact from pixilate + STAB and can crush opponents from +1. It also has a nice typing with Dragon/Fairy typing. A downside of that dual typing though is that u still take fairy types super effectively and take tons of damage from lele, koko, magearna, mimikyu,(if not boosted from cotton guard ;-;) and mega mawile. One positive side about mega altaria is that u no longer take super effective hits from dragon moves and that u can take on some dragon types excluding naganadel and kyu b. I hope u can now and more clearly see why Mega Altaria needs to drop AT LEAST a sub rank.
Also, DROP MEGA HERACROSS! THAT THING SHOULDN'T BE B+!!!!
uhh no
altaria is unpredictable in what sets it could choose able to use both physical and special altaria.
Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Cloud Nine
EVs: 160 HP / 252 SpA / 96 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Cotton Guard
- Roost
- Flamethrower
- Hyper Beam


Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Pixilate
Happiness: 0
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Frustration
- Cotton Guard
- Roost


Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Cloud Nine
EVs: 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Bulldoze
- Giga Impact
- Return


Altaria-Mega @ Altarianite
Ability: Cloud Nine
EVs: 64 HP / 64 Def / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Cotton Guard
- Hyper Voice
- Fire Blast
- Roost
this just shows the start of altaria's versatility, well deserving of it's current ranking
its able to beat mons like: gyara, uop kyub, tapu koko, landorus-t, lopunny, metagross actually i never calced for this set but i think cotton guard wins, and much more,,

maybe ill add more when never
 

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Altaria-Mega B to B-: Disagree
Mega Altaria cannot be compared to other Dragon-type Pokemon, it is quiet unique. It isn't really limited to DD+Giga Impact and it's not its best set anyways. Cotton Guard + DD can defeat many great Pokemon counting Sturdy Pokemon, Mega Metagross (depends), Fighting-type Pokemon, Zygarde-C and others. Mega Altaria is a more on the set-up side and isn't like Naganadel a Choice Specs Pokemon or Kyurem-Black a direct Z-offensive users and can be compared to Zygarde-Complete. Though both have different typings and item slots giving them different matchups. Furthermore Mega Altaria isn't as niche as Terrakion, Latios, Hoopa-U and others.

Mega Lopunny A to A-
Mega Lopunny isn't as effective as it was when it came back to 1v1 but is still a great Pokemon to have. People got used to Mega Lopunny and recent metagame trends aren't really helping it. The increase of Steel-type Pokemon which resists Fighting-type attacks such as Mega Metagross and Magearna gives Mega Lopunny a hard time. Additionally, Flame Charge Charizard can defeat Substitute sets while the new Stall Pokemon Knee Berry Mew is getting more and more usage. Mega Lopunny isn't bad and can be paired with Pokemon that beat them but Pokemon that it used to beat have fallen at this moment.

Snorlax A- to A
There's not a lot of things that changed for Snorlax, it was just given the wrong rank. Snorlax is the face of Sleep-inducing moves and one of the reasons they may be considered broken. With Yawn, Z-Belly Drum or Z-Edge Snorlax can either defeat many Pokemon with Z-edge just as Porygon-Z (Non Conversion-Ghost), Greninja, Tapu Koko, Naganadel and many more, or cheese out the victory with the help of Sleep-turns per example against Steel-type Pokemon and Golem. Belly Drum also allows it to easily defeat Stall Pokemon (bar Unaware users) such as Mew, Chansey, Blissey, Mandibuzz. It can also beat many threats with the mixture of both Sleep Turns and Z-edge depending on the EVs or Pokemon its facing for example Mega Charizard, Primarina, Tapu Fini. Yes, it is countered by all Ghost-type Pokemon but are pretty rare bar Mimikyu and Aegislash and can use its teammates for that. Also Snorlax beat pretty much a lot of high ranked and trending Pokemon at this moment.

Excadrill C to B-
Excadrill is more than a niche option and it has unexplored potential. I used the Steelium-Z to success and helped me reach the end of 1600~ ELO on ladder last time. Excadrill has two sets Groundium-Z and Steelium-Z which both takes on different Pokemon and it depends on the team. Steelium-Z allows Excadrill to defeat Kyurem-Black, Magearna, Golem, Mimikyu, Tapu Lele and many others. While Groundium-Z focuses more on Steel-type Pokemon such as Mega Metagross. Excadrill also has access to Substitute and Sword Dance which allows it to take on Bulky-Charm Pokemon like Mega Venusaur, Chansey, and the recent Iron Defense Magearna. It also beats Snorlax, Tapu Koko, Porygon-Z with both sets. It loses to Water-type Pokemon and fast offensive Pokemon such as both Charizards that's why I'm not going to rank it farther but it's a dope Pokemon.

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A few nominations for some of my old school heat mons that I think are still pretty damn good:

Suicune for C-
Suicune @ Waterium Z
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 240 HP / 20 Def / 164 SpA / 84 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind
- Calm Mind
- Mirror Coat

What it beats: Mega Charizard (form-based 50/50), Curse Mimikyu, Dragonite, Magearna, Mega Mawile, Aegislash, Landorus-T, Porygon-Z, Zygarde, Mega Aggron, Blaziken, Donphan, Garchomp, Scarf Genesect, Golem, Greninja, Naganadel, Primarina, Tapu Fini
Why it's not higher: Suicune is actually pretty solid if you look at all of those mons it beats. The reason why I'm nominating it for as low as C-, though, is because it simply loses to Mega Gyarados, Non-Specs Kyurem-B, Tapu Koko, and most Tapu Lele.

Haxorus for D
Haxorus @ Choice Band
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Superpower
- Earthquake
- Iron Tail

Scarf and Groundium are some other possibilities

What it beats: Non-Scarf Kyurem-B, Mimikyu, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Dragonite, Magnezone, Non-Scarf Porygon-Z, Snorlax, Mega Venusaur, Zygarde, Golem
Why it's not higher: Kyurem-B exists lol
Why it's not lower: Haxorus is 2 base Speed faster than Kyurem, allowing it to beat Mimikyu and Kyub. It also learns Superpower and Earthquake, which allow it to beat Snorlax and Tapu Koko, who would typically beat Choice Band Kyub.

Cloyster for D
Cloyster @ Life Orb
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 68 HP / 192 Atk / 248 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Rock Blast
- Icicle Spear
- Barrier

What it beats: Non-Taunt Mega Gyarados, some Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X, Mimikyu, Dragonite, Landorus-T, Mega Pinsir, Zygarde, Donphan, Garchomp, Golem, Jumpluff
Why it's not higher: Cloyster loses to just about every Steel or Water type in existence minus Gyarados and Excadrill and also has base 45 Special Defense with base 50 HP.

Deoxys-S for C
Deoxys-Speed @ Psychium Z
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 176 HP / 120 SpA / 212 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Light Screen
- Reflect
- Psychic
- Recover

Other possibilities include PP stall and Specs

What it beats: Most Kyurem-B, Mega Charizard X (prediction reliant), Tapu Koko, Mega Charizard Y, Mega Lopunny, Specs Magearna, non-SD Mega Mawile, Landorus-T, non-Metal Sound Magnezone, Mega Pinsir, Porygon-Z, Mega Venusaur, Blaziken, Donphan, Garchomp, Golem, Mega Heracross, Naganadel, Primarina, non-CM Tapu Fini
Why it's not lower: Why was this ever unranked? It's honest to god a really solid mon - just take a look at the above list...
Why it's not higher: That being said, many of the things it supposed to check have certain sets that can work around it like Kyurem-B using a Choice item or Magnezone running Metal Sound.
Agree except for Cloyster. I don’t think it’s very good. Beating Lando-t and Dragonite with a pokemon with Icicle Spear is not exactly the most amazing feat. If we add it, I propose dropping something else from D. Haxorus is quite usable in a terrible kind of way. Gyffyrd runs Reflect Suicune which is pretty good too.

Altaria-Mega B to B-: Disagree
Mega Altaria cannot be compared to other Dragon-type Pokemon, it is quiet unique. It isn't really limited to DD+Giga Impact and it's not its best set anyways. Cotton Guard + DD can defeat many great Pokemon counting Sturdy Pokemon, Mega Metagross (depends), Fighting-type Pokemon, Zygarde-C and others. Mega Altaria is a more on the set-up side and isn't like Naganadel a Choice Specs Pokemon or Kyurem-Black a direct Z-offensive users and can be compared to Zygarde-Complete. Though both have different typings and item slots giving them different matchups. Furthermore Mega Altaria isn't as niche as Terrakion, Latios, Hoopa-U and others.

Mega Lopunny A to A-
Mega Lopunny isn't as effective as it was when it came back to 1v1 but is still a great Pokemon to have. People got used to Mega Lopunny and recent metagame trends aren't really helping it. The increase of Steel-type Pokemon which resists Fighting-type attacks such as Mega Metagross and Magearna gives Mega Lopunny a hard time. Additionally, Flame Charge Charizard can defeat Substitute sets while the new Stall Pokemon Knee Berry Mew is getting more and more usage. Mega Lopunny isn't bad and can be paired with Pokemon that beat them but Pokemon that it used to beat have fallen at this moment.

Snorlax A- to A
There's not a lot of things that changed for Snorlax, it was just given the wrong rank. Snorlax is the face of Sleep-inducing moves and one of the reasons they may be considered broken. With Yawn, Z-Belly Drum or Z-Edge Snorlax can either defeat many Pokemon with Z-edge just as Porygon-Z (Non Conversion-Ghost), Greninja, Tapu Koko, Naganadel and many more, or cheese out the victory with the help of Sleep-turns per example against Steel-type Pokemon and Golem. Belly Drum also allows it to easily defeat Stall Pokemon (bar Unaware users) such as Mew, Chansey, Blissey, Mandibuzz. It can also beat many threats with the mixture of both Sleep Turns and Z-edge depending on the EVs or Pokemon its facing for example Mega Charizard, Primarina, Tapu Fini. Yes, it is countered by all Ghost-type Pokemon but are pretty rare bar Mimikyu and Aegislash and can use its teammates for that. Also Snorlax beat pretty much a lot of high ranked and trending Pokemon at this moment.

Excadrill C to B-
Excadrill is more than a niche option and it has unexplored potential. I used the Steelium-Z to success and helped me reach the end of 1600~ ELO on ladder last time. Excadrill has two sets Groundium-Z and Steelium-Z which both takes on different Pokemon and it depends on the team. Steelium-Z allows Excadrill to defeat Kyurem-Black, Magearna, Golem, Mimikyu, Tapu Lele and many others. While Groundium-Z focuses more on Steel-type Pokemon such as Mega Metagross. Excadrill also has access to Substitute and Sword Dance which allows it to take on Bulky-Charm Pokemon like Mega Venusaur, Chansey, and the recent Iron Defense Magearna. It also beats Snorlax, Tapu Koko, Porygon-Z with both sets. It loses to Water-type Pokemon and fast offensive Pokemon such as both Charizards that's why I'm not going to rank it farther but it's a dope Pokemon.

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How about I give you Excadrill at C+. Running Sub Sd and a z-move isn’t the most amazing thing imo. Sure you beat Stall, but most Pokémon that sub on Charm and carry Sd beat the same Pokémon. And the opportunity cost is pretty huge running one z-move or the other. Plus it’s a ground type that can lose to Charizard, which can make it really hard to fit on a team. Being a ground type that loses to other ground-types makes things hard too.

I think Altaria might be B+ still. Cotton Guard is amazing. Crushing Zard X, Gyara, and Lando t at the same time with the same set is actually kinda hard. Also does well against Tapu Koko which just about any mon that beats the first 3 can’t say. And it does well vs Snorlax. That’s a pretty unique and useful niche right there. And you don’t even have to run Cotton Guard if you dont want to!

Manaphy should be ranked, right? It was a lot better in gen 6 but it’s not unusable nowadays. Certainly better than some of the other memes on the vr.

AESF was who I failed to shout out last time. 2 1/2 year old set lol.
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