I would like to thank everyone for taking time to make posts and discuss about the matter, this discussion has been fruitful and I do appreciate everyone's posts. The objective is to make this tournament competitive and fun for as many people as we can because in the end this is just a game we play to enjoy our time since there's no real prize on the line. However, I don't think we can make an unanimous decision in this case, specially since there's a lot of people taking different sides and some people's goals have been shifted, and a lot of people have been voicing their support toward adding Multigen but indifferent to the DPP case, meanwhile some people want DPP removed, and others want DPP to stay, and whatever side you take there will always be opposition, this is why my objective here is to cater to as much people as I can. Fwiw, Rosa and I discussed Multigen over DPP and as it was said it was a stalemate which would have ended with status quo without further external discussion, so I decided to advance the idea of Multigen over SM2, and we both happened to agree. Now, I'm not saying my opinion is the correct one, or that we're heading to the correct decision, but I wanna hear more opinions about the matter, and this is why we created more external discussion, to get the community more and more involved since they're the ones participating in this tournament and everyone has the right to have fun. No, we're not ignoring the community, as it was stated by a user or two on the discord.
Anyways, I'm still with adding Multigen and either with removing DPP and SM2, I think both of these slots are problematic, and if it came down to me I'd remove both and add another format alongside Multigen. But since that's out of the table, I don't really mind which slot we're removing (DPP or SM2), so I'm gonna listen to the community feedback and base my decision on that. Now, I do have things to add for both sides, and I hope people tell me which points they agree / disagree with.
On DPP -
As people know I've surveyed people that voted in the previous suspect tests if they're going to signup for PL and if yes, if they're going to play DPP.
Yes for both: Dj Breloominati♬, neomon, Meowth (from Team Rocket), Euphonos, Yami, Jabiru, Urfgurgle, PA, Vrji
Might not join but would play DPP: Inkreativ 187 Fan (I've talked with Ink and he said 30% yes, 70% no, so I'd remove these names when trying to argue about playerbase, and if they join then great!)
While the rest of the list voted no.
Now I do understand some people are question point activity wise (neomon, spitfire) or haven't played before (Vrji), so if you're willing to play, please confirm again and there's some people are looking to manage (James+Euph), (Jab), and if hypothetically they get picked that leaves 6 teams with no DPP, and there's just enough from the people that say yes and that ignoring the fact that maybe some people are willing to learn.
On the other hand, having an exact number of players as teams is dangerous and specially if one doesn't signup incase something happens, or even a team grabbing two, plus another negative is the burden that it cause on funds and whatsoever. Plus, some people on that list can also go to other gens, specially reinforce BW and SM2.
However, if there's a playerpool, and people that are willing to play DPP and don't want to migrate to another slot then I don't see why we should take away that possibility away from them, example people like SuperMemeBroz and Sanshokuinsumireko have stated their desire to learn DPP.
Plus, maybe giving DPP a chance after the Shaymin ban will be worth it?
On SM2 -
Yea, it was my idea to remove SM2 for Multigen to reach a compromise between both parties. I frankly do not think that SM2 deserve two slots. SM has a high entry barrier so the amount of newcomers wiling to learn SM is going down, and other people are either moving away from Pokemon or branching to other slots. I'm gonna utilize PL as an example of SM cause in WC there's restrictions even though in WC the SM2 slot was way worse.
TheShadowClaw + Lancer/Joker
Landon + frostyicelad/Rosa
Rumia+ Elo Bandit/Boat
Satanic Beast + Freddy Kyogre
Kentari + Close/Jabiru/XSTATIC COLD/pqs
Downcoming3 + Jamez/Grain2Sel/Tol/Leru
Squirtell + lmni/Felucia/SoulWind
LBDC + ACII/Bopher
Team 1: TSC hasn't been around for a while so no clue if they're going to play, Lancer and Joker can perfectly branch out to other gens, Lancer can go to ORAS and Joker can go to SS/BW/ORAS so removing SM2 has a loss of 0 players.
Team 2: Landon perfectly fits into SM1. Frosty has done bad in the past so SM2 isn't competitive, idk where he goes though. Rosa had to fill SM2 due to frosty failing to win some weeks and Rosa can go anywhere. Loss: Frosty
Team 3: Rumia and Boat are one trick SM pony so its fair. Boat might venture to DPP or SS? Bandit can go ORAS. This team has okay SM1 and SM2. Loss: Unclear, probably none.
Team 4: Satanic Beast is has been a beast in SM, so easily SM1. Freddy Kyogre was stuck in SM2 after not playing for long but his games weren't particularly competitive and he can branch out to BW as he's a council member
Team 5: Broken team ;) Had to shuffle a bit around SM. Kentari, XSC, Close are both SM1 worthy, Jabiru had to pick it up to fill up though I think he'd prefer going into DPP and if no DPP SM2 is fair. Close likes MG/SS more so not sure here but I'll count him. Pqs been doing pretty bad at SM for past team tours, slot him SS honestly. Loss: 0
Team 6: DC3 quit, Jamez would rather go MG/DPP/BW, G2S did bad, Tol did bad, Leru was only in one slot to cover the lacking SM2 slot. Loss: tol only since Leru can be fed in any slot. Loss: Tol. G2s hasn't been seen in a while
Team 7: Squirtell SM1. Lmni banned, Felucia won't be playing, SW idk if they're playing but can venture in old gens. Loss: 0
Team 8: LBDC SM1, ACii Banned, Bopher can venture in other gens. Loss: 0
SM1 pool: TSC, Landon, Rumia, Satanic Beast, Kentari, XSC, Squirtell, LBDC. Tentatively Close (idk if he wants to play SM) and Boat. So we have 9 SM1 slots which will force competitive games.
SM2 pool: Lancer, Joker, Frosty, Rosa, Bandit, Jabiru, G2s, Tol, Leru, Bopher.
As we can see from added names, and I don't mean to hurt anyone but SM2 seems pretty lackluster and locking the best SMers into one slot will bring more competitive gaming into that slot, plus I believe most SM2 players can go into any other gen and do better except a few names. Plus that lackluster slot was worse in WC where teams had to slot Arai and Xander into SM2 because they had no other "mainer" to do so. And I believe a lot of "non mainers" don't mind playing other slots, correct me if I'm wrong. So I believe removing SM2 gives us a better draft since it reinforces a lot of old gens slots specifically BW, and ORAS, and maybe some people from SM2 will learn DPP.
However, if people think SM2 deserves another chance and has the numbers / competitive factor then I'm open to hear other opinions.
Once again, I'm ready to listen to opposing opinions and please do write so we can try and cater to as many people as we can.
Anyways, I'm still with adding Multigen and either with removing DPP and SM2, I think both of these slots are problematic, and if it came down to me I'd remove both and add another format alongside Multigen. But since that's out of the table, I don't really mind which slot we're removing (DPP or SM2), so I'm gonna listen to the community feedback and base my decision on that. Now, I do have things to add for both sides, and I hope people tell me which points they agree / disagree with.
On DPP -
As people know I've surveyed people that voted in the previous suspect tests if they're going to signup for PL and if yes, if they're going to play DPP.
Yes for both: Dj Breloominati♬, neomon, Meowth (from Team Rocket), Euphonos, Yami, Jabiru, Urfgurgle, PA, Vrji
Might not join but would play DPP: Inkreativ 187 Fan (I've talked with Ink and he said 30% yes, 70% no, so I'd remove these names when trying to argue about playerbase, and if they join then great!)
While the rest of the list voted no.
Now I do understand some people are question point activity wise (neomon, spitfire) or haven't played before (Vrji), so if you're willing to play, please confirm again and there's some people are looking to manage (James+Euph), (Jab), and if hypothetically they get picked that leaves 6 teams with no DPP, and there's just enough from the people that say yes and that ignoring the fact that maybe some people are willing to learn.
On the other hand, having an exact number of players as teams is dangerous and specially if one doesn't signup incase something happens, or even a team grabbing two, plus another negative is the burden that it cause on funds and whatsoever. Plus, some people on that list can also go to other gens, specially reinforce BW and SM2.
However, if there's a playerpool, and people that are willing to play DPP and don't want to migrate to another slot then I don't see why we should take away that possibility away from them, example people like SuperMemeBroz and Sanshokuinsumireko have stated their desire to learn DPP.
Plus, maybe giving DPP a chance after the Shaymin ban will be worth it?
On SM2 -
Yea, it was my idea to remove SM2 for Multigen to reach a compromise between both parties. I frankly do not think that SM2 deserve two slots. SM has a high entry barrier so the amount of newcomers wiling to learn SM is going down, and other people are either moving away from Pokemon or branching to other slots. I'm gonna utilize PL as an example of SM cause in WC there's restrictions even though in WC the SM2 slot was way worse.
TheShadowClaw + Lancer/Joker
Landon + frostyicelad/Rosa
Rumia+ Elo Bandit/Boat
Satanic Beast + Freddy Kyogre
Kentari + Close/Jabiru/XSTATIC COLD/pqs
Downcoming3 + Jamez/Grain2Sel/Tol/Leru
Squirtell + lmni/Felucia/SoulWind
LBDC + ACII/Bopher
Team 1: TSC hasn't been around for a while so no clue if they're going to play, Lancer and Joker can perfectly branch out to other gens, Lancer can go to ORAS and Joker can go to SS/BW/ORAS so removing SM2 has a loss of 0 players.
Team 2: Landon perfectly fits into SM1. Frosty has done bad in the past so SM2 isn't competitive, idk where he goes though. Rosa had to fill SM2 due to frosty failing to win some weeks and Rosa can go anywhere. Loss: Frosty
Team 3: Rumia and Boat are one trick SM pony so its fair. Boat might venture to DPP or SS? Bandit can go ORAS. This team has okay SM1 and SM2. Loss: Unclear, probably none.
Team 4: Satanic Beast is has been a beast in SM, so easily SM1. Freddy Kyogre was stuck in SM2 after not playing for long but his games weren't particularly competitive and he can branch out to BW as he's a council member
Team 5: Broken team ;) Had to shuffle a bit around SM. Kentari, XSC, Close are both SM1 worthy, Jabiru had to pick it up to fill up though I think he'd prefer going into DPP and if no DPP SM2 is fair. Close likes MG/SS more so not sure here but I'll count him. Pqs been doing pretty bad at SM for past team tours, slot him SS honestly. Loss: 0
Team 6: DC3 quit, Jamez would rather go MG/DPP/BW, G2S did bad, Tol did bad, Leru was only in one slot to cover the lacking SM2 slot. Loss: tol only since Leru can be fed in any slot. Loss: Tol. G2s hasn't been seen in a while
Team 7: Squirtell SM1. Lmni banned, Felucia won't be playing, SW idk if they're playing but can venture in old gens. Loss: 0
Team 8: LBDC SM1, ACii Banned, Bopher can venture in other gens. Loss: 0
SM1 pool: TSC, Landon, Rumia, Satanic Beast, Kentari, XSC, Squirtell, LBDC. Tentatively Close (idk if he wants to play SM) and Boat. So we have 9 SM1 slots which will force competitive games.
SM2 pool: Lancer, Joker, Frosty, Rosa, Bandit, Jabiru, G2s, Tol, Leru, Bopher.
As we can see from added names, and I don't mean to hurt anyone but SM2 seems pretty lackluster and locking the best SMers into one slot will bring more competitive gaming into that slot, plus I believe most SM2 players can go into any other gen and do better except a few names. Plus that lackluster slot was worse in WC where teams had to slot Arai and Xander into SM2 because they had no other "mainer" to do so. And I believe a lot of "non mainers" don't mind playing other slots, correct me if I'm wrong. So I believe removing SM2 gives us a better draft since it reinforces a lot of old gens slots specifically BW, and ORAS, and maybe some people from SM2 will learn DPP.
However, if people think SM2 deserves another chance and has the numbers / competitive factor then I'm open to hear other opinions.
Once again, I'm ready to listen to opposing opinions and please do write so we can try and cater to as many people as we can.
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