Resource 1v1 Viability Rankings

[The Official Glyx]

Hate to interrupt this incredibly fruitful discussion, but-

Tapu Bulu @ Grassium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 144 HP / 96 Atk / 92 SpD / 176 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Rock Tomb / Taunt / Disable

Tapu Bulu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 84 HP / 180 Atk / 244 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Rock Slide
- Fling
- Taunt / Swords Dance / Superpower

Tapu Bulu @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 152 HP / 220 SpD / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Rock Tomb / Fling
- Superpower / Fling
- Horn Leech / Taunt / Swords Dance

I'd like to see some recognition for Tapu Bulu and its huge variety of sets and overall viability.

S-B matchups

W = Win
MW = Mostly Win
U = Uncertain
ML = Mostly Lose
L = Lose
SD = Set/Spread Dependent

S Rank
Charizard-Mega - ML/L. Scarf bois > zardy, big oof to zardx
Dragonite - ML. You beat non-Flyinium/Special Dnite.
Gyarados-Mega - W
Magearna - MW. Specs wins, but also loses to SubDisable

A+ Rank
Porygon-Z - SD. You can dab with Scarf/Assault Vest.
Tapu Lele - SD. You OHKO if you outspeed them (which you can tell by the order in which their terrain abilities activate) and use Rock Tomb into Leech Seed if they Reflect or Z-Hammer if they Z-Psychic (which you live). Other sets have varying degrees of reliability.

A Rank
Greninja - SD. You can dab with Scarf/Assault Vest.
Magnezone - SD. Flash Cannon doesn't OHKO and Electroweb doesn't do more damage than you recover.
Meloetta - SD. Speed battles.
Metagross-Mega - L
Mew - SD. You live Overheat from Z-mew, and can beat Kew with TombTaunt or Tomb + BU/SD
Slowbro-Mega - W
Zygarde-Complete - SD. Requires Taunt or setup


A- Rank
Aegislash - U/SD. Requires Substitute to do the Stance Dance.
Gardevoir-Mega - SD. Requires Scarf/AV
Jumpluff - W
Kommo-o - SD. Speed battles + particular moves
Landorus-Therian - U. Flyinium is a big stink.
Togekiss - ML. You can dance around Z-Thunder Wave with Speedy Substitute, but that's about it.

B+ Rank
Altaria-Mega - L. A theoretical Stall set with Taunt and Synthesis could possibly win this, but such a set would likely not be viable.
Celesteela - ML. You can beat some Leech Seed variants and Specs with SubDisable.
Clefable - SD. Grassium nukes, the others struggle with Z-Reflect.
Donphan - W. S/o FlingScarf
Garchomp - U. Poison Jab is a big stink.
Genesect - L. It's funny to catch slow non-Buzz with Sub Disable though.
Heatran - L. Fast Band is where I draw the line for bad sets.
Lopunny-Mega - W. Really doesn't take much bulk to live FakePact.
Primarina - W
Sableye-Mega - SD. It takes a very well-timed Taunt + a shitton of physdef for Sableye to win v Grassium. Wins vs Scarf and AV, sadly.
Tapu Fini - W
Tyranitar-Mega - W
Venusaur-Mega - L
Zeraora - W


B Rank
Aggron-Mega - ML. You can dab with SubDisable vs Tauntless.
Crustle - ML. 50/50 between Taunt or non. Beats Scarf/AV.
Ferrothorn - L.
Incineroar - ML. SubDisable is a big smack, loses otherwise.
Jirachi - L
Kartana - L
Magneton - MW. Tomb into Z-Hammer wins, as does Scarf Superpower and especially AV. Main fear is Zap Cannon hitting.
Mawile-Mega - L
Naganadel - L
Necrozma - SD. Grassium beats both, Scarf loses to both, AV beats Specs.
Pinsir-Mega - ML. Scarf bois
Porygon2 - SD. Z wins, Scarf/AV lose.
Victini - L
Volcarona - SD. Scarf bois + Assault Vest

Totals

S Rank

W - - 1
MW - 1
U - - 0
ML - 1.5
L - - 0.5
SD - 0

A+ Rank

W - - 0
MW - 0
U - - 0
ML - 0
L - - 0
SD - 2

A Rank

W - - 1
MW - 0
U - - 0
ML - 0
L - - 1
SD - 5

A- Rank

W - - 1
MW - 0
U - - 1.5
ML - 1
L - - 0
SD - 2.5

B+ Rank

W - - 6
MW - 0
U - - 1
ML - 1
L - - 4
SD - 2

B Rank

W - - 0
MW - 1
U - - 0
ML - 4
L - - 6
SD - 3

Overall
W - - 9
MW - 2
U - - 2.5
ML - 7.5
L - - 11.5
SD - 14.5

While the totals may not look so amazing at first, they even out considerably better if you use Grassium as the only set, since a good chunk of the SD's are autowon by Grassium. What Tapu Bulu lacks in raw coverage contained in a single set, I believe it makes up for with its variety of sets that allow it to cover a fair amount of different threats. To me, this makes Tapu Bulu worthy of at least a B- Rank, possibly even B. Each set can also be bumped up a rank: (Z: C+ > B-, Scarf C > C+, Assault Vest C > C+).

 

[edudittA]

Snip on snipe

Great to see Bulu get some love.. Specially Defensive Swords Dance is a great set TBH, which beats Greninja, Choice Scarf Porygon-Z, Meloetta, Zygarde-C, Mega Gardevoir, Magnezone, Magneton, and some other special attacker.... Also, don't run Superpower on Choice Scarf set, since it doesn't beat anything notably; run HP Fire for DurTana..

The Set

Tapu Bulu @ Grassium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 240 HP / 88 Def / 180 SpD
Careful Nature
- Swords Dance
- Rock Tomb
- Taunt
- Wood Hammer

Calcs

• 252 Atk Garchomp Poison Jab vs. 240 HP / 88 Def Tapu Bulu: 288-340 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 240 HP / 180+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 294-346 (86.2 - 101.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
• 252 SpA Choice Specs Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 240 HP / 180+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 296-350 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
• 252 SpA Pixilate Gardevoir-Mega Hyper Beam vs. 240 HP / 180+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 279-328 (81.8 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
• 100+ SpA Choice Specs Necrozma Prismatic Laser vs. 240 HP / 180+ SpD Tapu Bulu: 300-354 (87.9 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Wholly supporting the rise of Tapu Bulu to B #WhaleGang

 

[lolgod2]

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891478127
lol rect sheddy
he is trash
that is mah friend

 

[The Official Glyx]

lolgod2 hi. This is the 1v1 Viability Rankings thread. In this thread, we mainly discuss how well individual Pokemon fare in the 1v1 metagame. To keep this thread from being flooded with unimportant posts, I ask that you:

1. Read and follow the "Dos and Don'ts" in the first post in the thread.
2. Consider the point you're trying to make when posting anything in this thread. Use these questions as your guidelines:
   • "Is the Pokemon I'm nominating equally as viable as the other Pokemon in the rank I'm nominating it for?"
   • "Do I have a reason for nominating this Pokemon to this rank, or is it just a feeling?"
   • "Does the reasoning I've provided make sense to myself? Will it make sense to other people?"
   • "Do the sets I've provided beat anything? What do they beat? Is it worthwhile to beat these Pokemon?"
3. Try not to argue with others unless your point goes along with the guidelines presented in section 2, or that the nomination of the person you're arguing with goes against these guidelines.

 

[CKBTW]

Gotta nom nom my boi sylveon from D------>C
This thing beats quite a good amount of top tier stuff for being in a tier with mega abombasnow and breloom, And a mono fairy typing and great special bulk and a good ability in pixilate this thing deserves atleast C

The Set

Unsets are the good sets (Sylveon) @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 118 HP / 12 SpA / 200 SpD / 178 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Calm Mind
- Protect
- Wish

S-B Rank Matchups

W=Win
MW=Mostly Win
50/50= Dependant On Luck Or Sets
L=Lose
ML=Mostly Lose
U= Uncertian
S Rank

Charizard-Mega-X ML

Charizard-Mega-Y ML

Dragonite ML

Gyarados-Mega W

Magearna MW (Spam cm then just play smart, This outspeeds 212 speed evs mage)

A+ Rank

Porygon-Z W (Wish t1 and inbetween attacks while cming to max and you should be fine)

Tapu Lele ML

A Rank

Greninja W

Magnezone L

Meloetta L

Metagross-Mega L

Mew MW

Slowbro-Mega 50/50 (Wins if no cm or amneisa, But not very likley it is not)

Zygarde-Complete U


A- Rank

Aegislash 50/50 (loses to physical nonsets)

Gardevoir-Mega ML

Jumpluff W

Kommo-o W

Landorus-Therian L

Togekiss ML

B+ Rank

Altaria-Mega MW

Celesteela L

Clefable L

Donphan L

Garchomp U

Genesect ML

Heatran ML

Lopunny-Mega W

Primarina MW

Sableye-Mega W

Tapu Fini U

Tyranitar-Mega MW

Venusaur-Mega L

Zeraora ML


B Rank

Aggron-Mega L

Crustle L

Ferrothorn L

Incineroar ML

Jirachi L

Kartana L

Magneton ML

Mawile-Mega L

Naganadel L

Necrozma 50/50

Pinsir-Mega L

Porygon2 MW

Victini L

Volcarona L

This is no delayed april fools joke guys

 

[lolgod2]

Gotta nom nom my boi sylveon from D------>C
This thing beats quite a good amount of top tier stuff for being in a tier with mega abombasnow and breloom, And a mono fairy typing and great special bulk and a good ability in pixilate this thing deserves atleast C

The Set

Unsets are the good sets (Sylveon) @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 118 HP / 12 SpA / 200 SpD / 178 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Calm Mind
- Protect
- Wish

S-B Rank Matchups

W=Win
MW=Mostly Win
50/50= Dependant On Luck Or Sets
L=Lose
ML=Mostly Lose
U= Uncertian
S Rank

Charizard-Mega-X ML

Charizard-Mega-Y ML

Dragonite ML

Gyarados-Mega W

Magearna MW (Spam cm then just play smart, This outspeeds 212 speed evs mage)

A+ Rank

Porygon-Z W (Wish t1 and inbetween attacks while cming to max and you should be fine)

Tapu Lele ML

A Rank

Greninja W

Magnezone L

Meloetta L

Metagross-Mega L

Mew MW

Slowbro-Mega 50/50 (Wins if no cm or amneisa, But not very likley it is not)

Zygarde-Complete U


A- Rank

Aegislash U

Gardevoir-Mega ML

Jumpluff W

Kommo-o W

Landorus-Therian L

Togekiss ML

B+ Rank

Altaria-Mega MW

Celesteela L

Clefable L

Donphan L

Garchomp U

Genesect ML

Heatran ML

Lopunny-Mega W

Primarina MW

Sableye-Mega W

Tapu Fini U

Tyranitar-Mega MW

Venusaur-Mega L

Zeraora ML


B Rank

Aggron-Mega L

Crustle L

Ferrothorn L

Incineroar ML

Jirachi L

Kartana L

Magneton ML

Mawile-Mega L

Naganadel L

Necrozma 50/50

Pinsir-Mega L

Porygon2 MW

Victini L

Volcarona L

This is no delayed april fools joke guys

any calcs or replays?

 

[STABLE]

welcome the high tier beater

Ambipom S - B matchups

S Rank

Charizard-Mega W

Dragonite W

Gyarados-Mega W

Magearna L

A+ Rank

Porygon-Z W against zpz, L against scarf

Tapu Lele W

A Rank

Greninja L

Magnezone L

Meloetta W

Metagross-Mega L

Mew MW against mewnium z, L against kew

Slowbro-Mega L

Zygarde-Complete ML


A- Rank

Aegislash L

Gardevoir-Mega W

Jumpluff L

Kommo-o 50/50, mostly set dependant

Landorus-Therian L

Togekiss W unless scarf, then 40/60

B+ Rank

Altaria-Mega MW

Celesteela L

Clefable W

Donphan MW unless protect

Garchomp ML unless not scarf and not fully invested in speed

Genesect L

Heatran L

Lopunny-Mega L

Primarina W

Sableye-Mega L

Tapu Fini W against tapunium, ML against waterium

Tyranitar-Mega W

Venusaur-Mega MW (sleep rolls), L against charm

Zeraora L


B Rank

Aggron-Mega L

Crustle L

Ferrothorn L

Incineroar W

Jirachi L

Kartana L

Magneton L

Mawile-Mega L

Naganadel L

Necrozma L

Pinsir-Mega W if Adamant, L if Jolly

Porygon2 L

Victini MW unless scarf

Volcarona W

also there are a bunch of things here that standard ambipom loses to but better cinccino (jolly choice band) beats, like mPinsir, Jumpluff, Kartana, Band or Z Garchomp etc.

 

[187 Fan]

welcome the high tier beater

Ambipom S - B matchups

S Rank

Charizard-Mega W

Dragonite W

Gyarados-Mega W

Magearna L

A+ Rank

Porygon-Z W against zpz, L against scarf

Tapu Lele W

A Rank

Greninja L

Magnezone L

Meloetta W

Metagross-Mega L

Mew MW against mewnium z, L against kew

Slowbro-Mega L

Zygarde-Complete ML


A- Rank

Aegislash L

Gardevoir-Mega W

Jumpluff L

Kommo-o 50/50, mostly set dependant

Landorus-Therian L

Togekiss W unless scarf, then 40/60

B+ Rank

Altaria-Mega MW

Celesteela L

Clefable W

Donphan MW unless protect

Garchomp ML unless not scarf and not fully invested in speed

Genesect L

Heatran L

Lopunny-Mega L

Primarina W

Sableye-Mega L

Tapu Fini W against tapunium, ML against waterium

Tyranitar-Mega W

Venusaur-Mega MW (sleep rolls), L against charm

Zeraora L


B Rank

Aggron-Mega L

Crustle L

Ferrothorn L

Incineroar W

Jirachi L

Kartana L

Magneton L

Mawile-Mega L

Naganadel L

Necrozma L

Pinsir-Mega W if Adamant, L if Jolly

Porygon2 L

Victini MW unless scarf

Volcarona W

also there are a bunch of things here that standard ambipom loses to but better cinccino (jolly choice band) beats, like mPinsir, Jumpluff, Kartana, Band or Z Garchomp etc.

Which rank do you want Ambipoom to nominate for?

 

[STABLE]

Which rank do you want Ambipoom to nominate for?

already nommed it for B- a few messages ago, but imho it would even deserve B

 

[CKBTW]

any calcs or replays?

I don't have any but if i get some i'll edit them into the post

 

[Aph9898]

Nominating Blissey from C -> C+

This thing tanks a lot of pokemon and can work into both physical and special threats. Blissey gets to take z-charm, for the effective +3 to defense (or -3 to attack), letting you beat some of the things that should beat Chansey. (a note for sets compendium: The chansey set cannot be attained under normal conditions).

General win conditions:

• Special attackers
• Slower boosting physical attackers
• hax burn

General loss conditions:

• Psyshock
• Taunt
• Very strong physical attackers
• Basically anything with a physical fighting coverage
• Flinches
• Opposing stalls
  • Leech seed
  • Toxic
• Possible mixed attackers
• Things that boost faster than it can
• Crits

My set

Glass (Blissey) @ Fairium Z
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Charm
- Calm Mind
- Soft-Boiled
- Flamethrower

This set lets you boost up faster or on pace with physical threats and on pace with most special threats. Flamethrower is to solidify your match-up against non-fire-type physical threats (20% burn chance), and can let you beat ghosts that would otherwise wall you. It lets you beat taunters and utilizes calm mind a bit better than toxic, and utilizes Serene Grace better than other special attacks as coverage (charm+psywave and charm+seismic toss are not legal).

Blissey also gets counter to bait physical attackers (and speed up game times), though arguably Chansey uses it better with better defense to return the damage, but loses charm to a ban of recovery + attack dropping + counter.

Literally just replays

There are quite a few questionable sets in this.

Physicals

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-892770024
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891751719
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891749816
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891633743
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891394426
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891393175
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891229643
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-890546550
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-889406985
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-889281696

Specials

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-892785636
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891779652
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891769437
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891755365
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891754184
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891748133
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-891050197
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen71v1-889405601

For fails, search up Aph9898 on replays and see all 5 someone took

VR Matchups

W- Blissey Wins
MW- Mostly Wins (will depend on set)
ML- Mostly Loses (will depend on set)
L- Blissey Loses
U-Unsure (please tell me)

S Rank
Charizard-Mega - MW (Tanks Y-Blast burn in sun, and should beat zard-x on pp stall, unless belly drum)
Dragonite - U
Gyarados-Mega - MW (Taunt can beat you, but flame thrower burn helps the match up)
Magearna - L

A+ Rank
Porygon-Z - W
Tapu Lele - L (psyshock is fairly mandatory)

A Rank
Greninja - W
Magnezone - MW (loses to metal sound)
Meloetta - ML
Metagross-Mega - D (Hammer arm beats you, but needs hax otherwise
Mew - ML (Taunt)
Slowbro-Mega - L
Zygarde-Complete - L


A- Rank
Aegislash - L
Gardevoir-Mega - L (psyshock)
Jumpluff - L
Kommo-o - L
Landorus-Therian - U (If there's superpower, probably beats it, but I'm not entirely sure)
Togekiss - ML. (Finch hax)

B+ Rank
Altaria-Mega - L. (They should PP stall you)
Celesteela - ML
Clefable - U
Donphan - W.
Garchomp - U
Genesect - MW (iron head and other variants probably beat it)
Heatran - W (pp stall)
Lopunny-Mega - L
Primarina - MW (Encore theoretically beats your best intentions)
Sableye-Mega - ML (taunt would beat it)
Tapu Fini - ML (Taunt breaks it)
Tyranitar-Mega - U
Venusaur-Mega - U (Them sleeping you lets you pp stall)
Zeraora - L


B Rank
Aggron-Mega - ML.
Crustle - L
Ferrothorn - U
Incineroar - U
Jirachi - L (flinches)
Kartana - L
Magneton - MW (metal sound breaks it)
Mawile-Mega - MW (iron head beats it with long-con flinch)
Naganadel - W
Necrozma - ML
Pinsir-Mega - L
Porygon2 - U (I've never played against a porygon 2?)
Victini - ML (Band, firium Z, and v-creat beats it)
Volcarona - MW

Totals:
W: 5
MW: 7
ML: 7
L: 14
U: 6

Chansey thoughts

Chansey is a better tank than Blissey overall from states alone, though it does not work as well to wall physical threats pokemon. Blissey does a better job walling physical mons than Chansey. The opportunity cost to pick Chansey instead of Blissey is about the same as the benefits of the choice, and I believe they should be equal on the VR
Chansey:

Blissey:

 

[Morgan]

Dragonite - U
Gyarados-Mega - MW (Taunt can beat you, but flame thrower burn helps the match up)
Magearna - L

A+ Rank
Porygon-Z - W
Tapu Lele - L (psyshock is fairly mandatory)

all L, but Lele (never runs psyshock)

Magnezone - MW (loses to metal sound)
Meloetta - ML
Metagross-Mega - D (Hammer arm beats you, but needs hax otherwise

all L - Melo runs Laser focus, all zones run Msound, mgross can just not mega and have clear body

Landorus-Therian - U (If there's superpower, probably beats it, but I'm not entirely sure)

Sub, always L

Togekiss - ML. (Finch hax)

Nasty Plot, always L

Necrozma - ML

u aren't beating stored power

Garchomp - U

Sub SD

Clefable - U

you can't win

Heatran - W (pp stall)

Potential for Msound, MW

Incineroar - U

Always L

Blissey is not deserving of C+, as it doesn't beat nearly as many Special Pokemon, and the difference between Chansey and Blissey's Physical bulk is negligible, a 16 point difference, as opposed to a 64 higher spdef stat for chansey

 

[Jamez]

Nominating aggron(non mega) to B cuz it’s not even in vr yet
Aggron can deal with a hella lot in the current meta and has great teammates that cover almost all of its weaknesses
Aggron @ Custap Berry
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Naughty Nature
- Head Smash
- Heavy Slam
- Screech
- Endure
This first set let’s you get a screech up and then if needed endure to get that custap priority to hit almost everything really hard, only problems are missing the head smash which can sometimes be unfort
-some weaknesses to this set can be mons that have substitute, fake out, or sometimes taunt can break through it.
-VR
S rank
Charizard X and Y, Aggron Beats charizard X and mostly wins vs char y because char y can get a air slash flinch or even be running substitute
Dragonite, aggron also mostly beats dragonite with the exception of earthquake or even fire blast
Gyarados mega: aggron can beat gyarados with the exception of earthquake
Magearna: only if they really missplay
A+ Rank
Aggron wins vs pz
Aggron wins vs lele
A rank:
Greninja: aggron mostly wins vs greninja, the only set I se beating aggron is low kick
Magnezone: Loss
Meloetta: Win
Metagross Mega: Mostly loss
Mew: Unsure: Fake out and Taunt can maybe beat it but idk if overheat or z move can kill
Slowbro mega: Loss
Zygarde complete: loss
A- rank
Aegislash loss
Gardevoir Mega: Win
Jumpluff: Loss
Kommo-o Loss
Landorus therian: mostly win: Sub is the only problem
Togekiss: Win
B+ rank
Altaria mega: Win
Celesteela: Mostly win: sub leech is only prob
Clefable: Win
Donphan: Loss
Garchomp: loss
Genesect: Win
Heatran: Win
Lopunny mega: Loss
Primarina: Loss
Sableye mega: loss
Tapu fini: Loss
Tyranitar mega: Unsure
Venusaur mega: Mostly loss: sub leech and charm and sleep powder are problems
Zeraora: Mostly Win: only fake out wins
B rank: Aggron mega: loss
Crustle: Win
Ferrothorn: win
Incineroar: Win
Jirachi: unsure
Kartana: Mostly loss
Magneton: Loss
Mawile Mega: Mostly Win: taunt metal burst possibly wins
Naganadel: Win
Necrozma: Mostly Win, only berry set wins
Pinsir mega: Win
Porygon2: depends on set but mostly wins
Victini: Mostly wins
Volc: sub can be a problem but mostly wins
Totals: S rank 2.5/4
A+ rank 2/2
A rank 2.5/7
A- rank 2.5/6
B+ rank 5/14
B rank 8/14
In all: 22.5/47
Overall aggron can play a good part on a team
I will edit later, ik this looks really bad formatted but I’m on mobile so ye lel

 

[STABLE]

for the effective +3 to defense (or -3 to attack)

correction, Z-Charm (and any -2 attack and +1 defense) actually calculates as a +4 (or -4), not as a +-3

 

[STABLE]

Nominating aggron(non mega) to B cuz it’s not even in vr yet

aggron is included in the VR under Aggron-Mega. the same way both zards (and generally charizard) share the same spot on the VR despite having different viabilities, and Garchomp and Garchomp-Mega being in the same spot even though Garchomp-Mega is not used by anyone.
I'm not sure if this is by smogon rules or if the council decided this way (if I remember correctly the latter). Someone clarify me on that.

 

[Jamez]

aggron is included in the VR under Aggron-Mega. the same way both zards (and generally charizard) share the same spot on the VR despite having different viabilities, and Garchomp and Garchomp-Mega being in the same spot even though Garchomp-Mega is not used by anyone.
I'm not sure if this is by smogon rules or if the council decided this way (if I remember correctly the latter). Someone clarify me on that.

For example garchomp mega is next to garchomp because they are in the same viability, regular mawile is not next to mawile mega because it is not even ranked or good. Aggron mega is not ranked yet either

 

[Morgan]

aggron is included in the VR under Aggron-Mega. the same way both zards (and generally charizard) share the same spot on the VR despite having different viabilities, and Garchomp and Garchomp-Mega being in the same spot even though Garchomp-Mega is not used by anyone.
I'm not sure if this is by smogon rules or if the council decided this way (if I remember correctly the latter). Someone clarify me on that.

Aggron is not split with MAggron, this was specifically noted. MGarchomp has a niche that is noted, Sceptile is the same way, Charizard is not the same way, Charizard is not S Tier, but both Megas are

 

[STABLE]

regular mawile is not next to mawile mega because it is not even ranked or good.

Aggron is not split with MAggron

if you don't wanna take it from me, take it from osra https://imgur.com/An3wCN3

 

[The Official Glyx]

if you don't wanna take it from me, take it from osra https://imgur.com/An3wCN3

dude, aggron hasn't been nominated yet.
If it were ranked with mega, you would see its sprite next to mega aggron's sprite in the VR, in the exact same way that we have both zards together, both garchomps together, both blaziken together, both sceptile together, and both alakazam together.

reg gyarados is also another mon that has yet to be nommed or thought of by the council, hence why gyarados' rank isn't split between both gyarados forms yet, either.

 

[Morgan]

dude, aggron hasn't been nominated yet.
If it were ranked with mega, you would see its sprite next to mega aggron's sprite in the VR, in the exact same way that we have both zards together, both garchomps together, both blaziken together, both sceptile together, and both alakazam together.

reg gyarados is also another mon that has yet to be nommed or thought of by the council, hence why gyarados' rank isn't split between both gyarados forms yet, either.

Aggron has been nominated by Atti https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-viability-rankings.3646758/post-8066981

 

[Jamez]

Aggron has been nominated by Atti https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-viability-rankings.3646758/post-8066981

Yikes didn’t see that should I just delete my post?

 

[The Official Glyx]

Aggron has been nominated by Atti https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/1v1-viability-rankings.3646758/post-8066981

In case my wording wasn't clear, I meant that aggron hasn't been nominated until this cycle. (though good job catching that, I hadn't remembered he already posted it and accidentally put aggron on the list twice.)

Yikes didn’t see that should I just delete my post?

Nah, it never hurts to have more reasoning for a nom

 

[STABLE]

dude, aggron hasn't been nominated yet.
If it were ranked with mega, you would see its sprite next to mega aggron's sprite in the VR, in the exact same way that we have both zards together, both garchomps together, both blaziken together, both sceptile together, and both alakazam together.

reg gyarados is also another mon that has yet to be nommed or thought of by the council, hence why gyarados' rank isn't split between both gyarados forms yet, either.

oh, my bad
excuse me if I nominate, then, my little friend non-mega slowbro

Slowbro @ Normalium Z
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Adamant Nature
- Yawn
- Belly Drum
- Protect
- Aqua Tail

This set slaps, and it catches off guard people who try to taunt it, set up or any strategy that would beat regular stallbro.
It has better defenses than the now deceased snorlax, so it can take more damage and still live.
I'm nominating this mon to D though because it sucks.

 

[Nalei]

Gotta nom nom my boi sylveon from D------>C
This thing beats quite a good amount of top tier stuff for being in a tier with mega abombasnow and breloom, And a mono fairy typing and great special bulk and a good ability in pixilate this thing deserves atleast C

The Set

Unsets are the good sets (Sylveon) @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 118 HP / 12 SpA / 200 SpD / 178 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Calm Mind
- Protect
- Wish

S-B Rank Matchups

W=Win
MW=Mostly Win
50/50= Dependant On Luck Or Sets
L=Lose
ML=Mostly Lose
U= Uncertian
S Rank

Charizard-Mega-X ML

Charizard-Mega-Y ML

Dragonite ML

Gyarados-Mega W

Magearna MW (Spam cm then just play smart, This outspeeds 212 speed evs mage)

A+ Rank

Porygon-Z 50/50

Tapu Lele ML

A Rank

Greninja W

Magnezone L

Meloetta L

Metagross-Mega L

Mew MW

Slowbro-Mega 50/50 (Wins if no cm or amneisa, But not very likley it is not)

Zygarde-Complete U


A- Rank

Aegislash U

Gardevoir-Mega ML

Jumpluff W

Kommo-o W

Landorus-Therian L

Togekiss ML

B+ Rank

Altaria-Mega MW

Celesteela L

Clefable L

Donphan L

Garchomp U

Genesect ML

Heatran ML

Lopunny-Mega W

Primarina MW

Sableye-Mega W

Tapu Fini U

Tyranitar-Mega MW

Venusaur-Mega L

Zeraora ML


B Rank

Aggron-Mega L

Crustle L

Ferrothorn L

Incineroar ML

Jirachi L

Kartana L

Magneton ML

Mawile-Mega L

Naganadel L

Necrozma 50/50

Pinsir-Mega L

Porygon2 MW

Victini L

Volcarona L

This is no delayed april fools joke guys

Besides that being a pretty bad W/L ratio that doesn't warrant a raise, there's a reason defensive Sylveon isn't widely used. Every single W you listed is also something that Clefable beats. Here's a Sylveon set that actually does stuff, though:

Set

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 172 SpA / 24 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Beam
- Hyper Voice
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Echoed Voice

Hate to interrupt this incredibly fruitful discussion, but-

Tapu Bulu @ Grassium Z
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 144 HP / 96 Atk / 92 SpD / 176 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Substitute
- Leech Seed
- Rock Tomb / Taunt / Disable

Tapu Bulu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 84 HP / 180 Atk / 244 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Rock Slide
- Fling
- Taunt / Swords Dance / Superpower

Tapu Bulu @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 152 HP / 220 SpD / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Rock Tomb / Fling
- Superpower / Fling
- Horn Leech / Taunt / Swords Dance

I'd like to see some recognition for Tapu Bulu and its huge variety of sets and overall viability.

S-B matchups

W = Win
MW = Mostly Win
U = Uncertain
ML = Mostly Lose
L = Lose
SD = Set/Spread Dependent

S Rank
Charizard-Mega - ML/L. Scarf bois > zardy, big oof to zardx
Dragonite - ML. You beat non-Flyinium/Special Dnite.
Gyarados-Mega - W
Magearna - MW. Specs wins, but also loses to SubDisable

A+ Rank
Porygon-Z - SD. You can dab with Scarf/Assault Vest.
Tapu Lele - SD. You OHKO if you outspeed them (which you can tell by the order in which their terrain abilities activate) and use Rock Tomb into Leech Seed if they Reflect or Z-Hammer if they Z-Psychic (which you live). Other sets have varying degrees of reliability.

A Rank
Greninja - SD. You can dab with Scarf/Assault Vest.
Magnezone - SD. Flash Cannon doesn't OHKO and Electroweb doesn't do more damage than you recover.
Meloetta - SD. Speed battles.
Metagross-Mega - L
Mew - SD. You live Overheat from Z-mew, and can beat Kew with TombTaunt or Tomb + BU/SD
Slowbro-Mega - W
Zygarde-Complete - SD. Requires Taunt or setup


A- Rank
Aegislash - U/SD. Requires Substitute to do the Stance Dance.
Gardevoir-Mega - SD. Requires Scarf/AV
Jumpluff - W
Kommo-o - SD. Speed battles + particular moves
Landorus-Therian - U. Flyinium is a big stink.
Togekiss - ML. You can dance around Z-Thunder Wave with Speedy Substitute, but that's about it.

B+ Rank
Altaria-Mega - L. A theoretical Stall set with Taunt and Synthesis could possibly win this, but such a set would likely not be viable.
Celesteela - ML. You can beat some Leech Seed variants and Specs with SubDisable.
Clefable - SD. Grassium nukes, the others struggle with Z-Reflect.
Donphan - W. S/o FlingScarf
Garchomp - U. Poison Jab is a big stink.
Genesect - L. It's funny to catch slow non-Buzz with Sub Disable though.
Heatran - L. Fast Band is where I draw the line for bad sets.
Lopunny-Mega - W. Really doesn't take much bulk to live FakePact.
Primarina - W
Sableye-Mega - SD. It takes a very well-timed Taunt + a shitton of physdef for Sableye to win v Grassium. Wins vs Scarf and AV, sadly.
Tapu Fini - W
Tyranitar-Mega - W
Venusaur-Mega - L
Zeraora - W


B Rank
Aggron-Mega - ML. You can dab with SubDisable vs Tauntless.
Crustle - ML. 50/50 between Taunt or non. Beats Scarf/AV.
Ferrothorn - L.
Incineroar - ML. SubDisable is a big smack, loses otherwise.
Jirachi - L
Kartana - L
Magneton - MW. Tomb into Z-Hammer wins, as does Scarf Superpower and especially AV. Main fear is Zap Cannon hitting.
Mawile-Mega - L
Naganadel - L
Necrozma - SD. Grassium beats both, Scarf loses to both, AV beats Specs.
Pinsir-Mega - ML. Scarf bois
Porygon2 - SD. Z wins, Scarf/AV lose.
Victini - L
Volcarona - SD. Scarf bois + Assault Vest

Totals

S Rank

W - - 1
MW - 1
U - - 0
ML - 1.5
L - - 0.5
SD - 0

A+ Rank

W - - 0
MW - 0
U - - 0
ML - 0
L - - 0
SD - 2

A Rank

W - - 1
MW - 0
U - - 0
ML - 0
L - - 1
SD - 5

A- Rank

W - - 1
MW - 0
U - - 1.5
ML - 1
L - - 0
SD - 2.5

B+ Rank

W - - 6
MW - 0
U - - 1
ML - 1
L - - 4
SD - 2

B Rank

W - - 0
MW - 1
U - - 0
ML - 4
L - - 6
SD - 3

Overall
W - - 9
MW - 2
U - - 2.5
ML - 7.5
L - - 11.5
SD - 14.5

While the totals may not look so amazing at first, they even out considerably better if you use Grassium as the only set, since a good chunk of the SD's are autowon by Grassium. What Tapu Bulu lacks in raw coverage contained in a single set, I believe it makes up for with its variety of sets that allow it to cover a fair amount of different threats. To me, this makes Tapu Bulu worthy of at least a B- Rank, possibly even B. Each set can also be bumped up a rank: (Z: C+ > B-, Scarf C > C+, Assault Vest C > C+).

Fellow Bulu aficionado here, totally support this. Also want to add that Taunt+Swords Dance 50/50s Magearna.

dude, aggron hasn't been nominated yet.
If it were ranked with mega, you would see its sprite next to mega aggron's sprite in the VR, in the exact same way that we have both zards together, both garchomps together, both blaziken together, both sceptile together, and both alakazam together.

reg gyarados is also another mon that has yet to be nommed or thought of by the council, hence why gyarados' rank isn't split between both gyarados forms yet, either.

Similarly, I'd like to nominate Gyarados, Aggron, and Heracross for Untested. Gyarados and Aggron don't have a lot of usage but with strong Z-STABs that their Megas lack, I think they're viable. Heracross has a neat Endure+Salac/Custap set with Swarm.

^Nommed these last cycle :x

 

[The Official Glyx]

^Nommed these last cycle :x

Relating to megas being ranked alongside their base forms/other mega evolution:
The primary reason we had them ranked together is because set ambiguity at team preview is an important part of mons like Zards viability. However, it can also be misleading. Mega Garchomp, for example, is not as good as base Garchomp, yet they're both ranked at B. For these reasons, I propose this: Separate Mega Evolutions from their base forms/other Mega Evolution on the VR, but specifically factor in set ambiguity at team preview to their rankings.

If the above goes through, I'd like to see Charizard Y to A+, Mega Garchomp to C-, Blaziken to B-, and Alakazam to C (Sceptile and Mega Sceptile are both C ranks imo so separate them but keep them ranked in the same spot).

Similarly, I'd like to nominate Gyarados, Aggron, and Heracross for Untested. Gyarados and Aggron don't have a lot of usage but with strong Z-STABs that their Megas lack, I think they're viable. Heracross has a neat Endure+Salac/Custap set with Swarm.

ok I thought those were part of the "if the above goes through" thing, which it never did. My bad.