2012 USA Election Thread: Obama projected winner

[DM]

Click the edit poll button, not edit the post.

Dude, I was a super mod in days of yore, I looked everywhere. It's not frigging there. :justin:

It's quite obvious you either don't live in Massachusetts or you're too young to remember it.

Romney eliminated a $3 billion deficit in his time here without raising taxes, oversaw the state scholarship that sent myself and many of my friends to college tuition-free, banned assault weapons, gave aid to police forces in high-crime areas, increased minimum wage, gave tax benefits to veterans, gave incentives to environmentally-friendly companies, AND oh yeah! he introduced the first universal health insurance in the country.

Romney was a fucking awesome governor and I will be voting for him

Too bad since he began his campaign he has come out publicly against, oh, pretty much ALL OF THAT SHIT YOU JUST LISTED. You're voting for a mirage.

I just can't like Mitt. Hiding tax returns seems to be a REALLY big red flag to me.

Let's go ahead and call that what it is: the Dems are finally fighting with fire; to wit, they're distracting the voters and making a shitstorm out of a non-issue.

Doesn't seem like he'll do well with foreign policy at all, either, which has been a strength of Obama's.

THERE is where you need to be worried.

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Oh no, Russia and Saudi Arabia! Two of our closest allies and best friendzzzzzz!

 

[billymills]

I was under the impression only supermods could edit polls.

I think Gary Johnson is the libertarian candidate, he's probably the third-most-serious candidate.

Like most non-americans, I think Obama is a rather average president with some potential positively and negatively.
Romney appears to be even more ridiculous than Bush.

 

[Kevin Garrett]

Mitt Romney's biggest political rival is himself from 4 or so years ago. He clearly has an internal philosophy, but he throws it out the window whenever he thinks it doesn't poll especially well. Regardless of what you think of anyone else's policies, Romney is the kind of person who will say and do anything, especially things coming from the standard Republican playbook, which he has now adopted as his own. If you vote for Mitt Romney, you're not actually voting for Mitt Romney. You're voting for the mouthpiece of the right wing whose sole motivation is to get re-elected.

That is the most disconcerting thing about Romney. I would rather have a lightweight in office who doesn't put his foot down to get legislation passed than someone who will take a stand on anything as long as it means he is doing well in the polls. The latter has the potential to be much more damaging to the country than being passive.

 

[Trax]

Let's go ahead and call that what it is: the Dems are finally fighting with fire; to wit, they're distracting the voters and making a shitstorm out of a non-issue.

I'd be inclined to agree, were taxation laws not an important part of federal policy.

 

[JimBob]

I believe he's referring to Obama's birth certificate.

 

[JabbaTheGriffin]

You guys all watch WAY too much mainstream news media (on both sides)

Switching economic ideologies in the midst of trying to fix an economic crisis is just a bad idea imo (especially to one that thinks trickle-down actually works). For that reason alone, I think Obama should have another 4 years. In addition to that, the liberal supreme court justices are getting old to the point where they'll probably retire during the next president's term. I'd rather not have the court be more conservative than it already is.

Also I wouldn't fault Romney too much for pretty much flipping everything he ever said as a massachusetts governor. Unfortunately to win the Republican primaries, you have to spew bullshit for an entire year. I'd blame the system, not the man.

 

[RBG]

I don't even know why you guys think this is even a contest.

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NIXON ALWAYS WINS!

AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

That's supposed to be headless Spiro Agnew, but I couldn't remove the neck.

 

[Adamant Zoroark]

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That's what I scored on the political compass test, which will probably explain anything I say in this post.

I'm under 18 so it's not like my opinion will actually affect anything, but I don't really like Obama or Romney. Obama's signed stimulus bills that no one in Congress actually read (to be fair that's mostly Congress's fault, but it was Obama who signed the damn thing), signed Obamacare, and... Raise the debt ceiling. I don't think raising the debt limit is going to help the debt problem we have. Romney, however, I believe is just saying things so he could get the Republican nomination. To be fair, though, you pretty much have to do that to get elected which is why I don't like politicians. I'm not going to comment on Romney vs. Bush or anything just to avoid making things ridiculous.

I honestly believe Ron Paul would actually make a good President (look at my political compass score and you'd understand why I believe that). Ron Paul voted against the Patriot act, the Military Commissions Act, and the Iraq War. However, since elections are more of contests of who can throw out the most believable bullshit, of course Romney got the nomination.

America is fucked and has been fucked for a long time.

 

[Seven Deadly Sins]

Friend, he had a democratically controlled congress for two whole years and he wasted it shoving Obamacare down our throats while letting the economy suffer. Obama said if the stimulus gets passed, unemployment would be 5.6% by June 2012. All this while adding 5 trillion dollars of new debt.

Fun fact: if you read the rest of the sentence you quoted, you would have seen this:

the wanton spending of political capital on a healthcare bill with great promise and poor execution (don't get me wrong, healthcare reform is super important, but he hadn't built up enough clout to get something that big through- that's much more of a second-term endeavor)

You don't have to tell me that attempting healthcare at that time was a bad idea. It cost him far more than he had to spend in terms of political capital, and is the reason he's where he is right now. I don't dispute that.

 

[some hero]

What do you guys think of Obamas mini DREAM Act? Sure, he has been hard on illegal immigration but i can't make up my mind about this. I live in Los Angeles so yeah it affects me. Still, there is no way in hell i will vote for Romney. The guy is seriously ridiculous. I'd easily take that Christian lunatic over him. Forgot his name. At least he seems honest.

 

[Firestorm]

Friend, he had a democratically controlled congress for two whole years and he wasted it shoving Obamacare down our throats while letting the economy suffer. Obama said if the stimulus gets passed, unemployment would be 5.6% by June 2012. All this while adding 5 trillion dollars of new debt.

I didn't realize people were still using this line.

 

[ironivy]

Nice to see Vermin Supreme lurks Smogon.

http://www.facebook.com/vermin.supreme.1

 

[Outlaw]

I'd easily take that Christian lunatic over him. Forgot his name. At least he seems honest.

I don't-

What-

You're a fucking idiot. He's honestly fucking insane.

 

[ButteredToast]

I'm pretty pissed that The Rent Is Too Damn High Party is not represented in this poll. I mean, where are your children going to live when they grow up? How are we going to afford to eat breakfast, lunch AND dinner? Can't buy food, can't buy shoes, can't go on trips. Why are there no jobs? Because the RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH! Open your eyes. Crying out loud.

 

[Myzozoa]

Fun fact: if you read the rest of the sentence you quoted, you would have seen this:



You don't have to tell me that attempting healthcare at that time was a bad idea. It cost him far more than he had to spend in terms of political capital, and is the reason he's where he is right now. I don't dispute that.

People don't remember that Obama's platform was fucking health care. I don't like Obamacare that much, it should be a single payer system like they do it in Europe, but he campaigned on it and followed through. It's not his fault if Americans can't handle it.

 

[Hipmonlee]

Nice to see Vermin Supreme lurks Smogon.

http://www.facebook.com/vermin.supreme.1

Man I feel famous.

How can I not vote for the guy after that, put him ahead of Romney..

 

[Glen]

were i american i would consider voting for romney solely because he looks a bit like an older version of jack from lost

take me to the island~

 

[ChaoticaMortis]

Lol, Vermin's now in 2nd.

 

[Trax]

I believe he's referring to Obama's birth certificate.

I am aware of that.

My point is that taxation is important federal policy, while eligibility criteria for the presidency is constitutional and thus not exclusively a federal issue (given the nature of referendums).

 

[billymills]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to know if a candidate is abusing any tax loopholes if he will be in a prime position to expose and repair those loopholes.

 

[DM]

I am aware of that.

My point is that taxation is important federal policy, while eligibility criteria for the presidency is constitutional and thus not exclusively a federal issue (given the nature of referendums).

Are we actually accusing Romney of skipping out on his taxes, or are we just asking for his returns so we can demonize him for being rich? None of the original "birthers" actually believed Obama wasn't US citizen, they created that shitstorm on purpose to distract stupid red voters. The tax return proponents (let's call them "returners") are doing the same thing.

 

[Seven Deadly Sins]

People don't remember that Obama's platform was fucking health care. I don't like Obamacare that much, it should be a single payer system like they do it in Europe, but he campaigned on it and followed through. It's not his fault if Americans can't handle it.

Ted Kennedy campaigned on it for him, and pretty much made it his personal mission to make healthcare one of Obama's frontline missions. I don't have trouble with the fact that he did it, I have trouble with the fact that he did it too soon. If he had spent some tome getting other stuff done and proving that he was a person that got things done, earned his political capital, dominated the 2010 mid-term elections, and then went "okay, now that we've fixed the immediate stuff and secured a bigger better majority, it's healthcare time!" This wasn't a thing that happened. He leapt face-first into an issue that he didn't have the clout to push through with any efficacy. Sure, he had control of the Senate, but he didn't have the backing of the blue dog democrats that turned out to fuck him over at the last minute. Instead, he had to cut terrible, terrible bargains with the few center-leaning Republicans in order to get anything passed, ending up with a half-bill that pissed everyone off.

I get that you're supposed to go out and do grand things, but something as big as healthcare really is a mid-term or even second term endeavor. A new president with a shaky majority in the senate really needs to build up to the "big issues" or else risk losing momentum, which is what happened. Obama could easily have spent the first 2 years getting other things passed and proving himself as someone that gets things done. He didn't, and now the republicans are dedicating themselves to ensuring that he never gets the chance to fix that mistake by making sure nothing in the government gets done ever.

 

[iDunno]

I'm sure he would have done it later if he knew the house majority wouldn't change in the next two years. The fact was, the House of Representatives was facing a huge demographic shift at the time. Health care reform had to happen right away or risk not being possible in the future.

 

[symphonyx64]

People don't remember that Obama's platform was fucking health care. I don't like Obamacare that much, it should be a single payer system like they do it in Europe, but he campaigned on it and followed through. It's not his fault if Americans can't handle it.

He signed it into law. The American people were opposed to it before it became law. So yes, it is his fault.

 

[VKCA]

why is smogon so liberal jesus

this is the best post in this thread