...*voted for Farfetch'd in an attempt to stop a Houndoom win*
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A radical proposition: Camerupt
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...*voted for Farfetch'd in an attempt to stop a Houndoom win*
I dunno, a Camerupt evo would play a very similar role to the one Heatran plays now. Assuming we give it some more bulk, a little more speed, and slightly higher Attack and Sp. Attack that is.
Well really, the same could be said for Heatran for the first four Pokes at least. And Blissey will fall to Explosion, and Tyranitar can't take too many Earth Powers.
The only real difference I see between the two is that Heatran has much better resistances and a x4 Ground weak, while Camerupt has mixed sweeping capabilities and a x4 Water weak. A Camerupt evo's virtues will help it against Skymin's Earth Power, Ttar's EQ, and Scizor's Superpower. But it dies in a second to every team's Bulky Water, whereas Heatran can take a Surf and Explode, or use Metal Sound and HP Grass (I use this).
I'm not saying they're exactly the same. Just that they're similar enough that the only difference we'll see is that some of the people who use Heatran will switch to Camerupt, without having to change their team around much as they pretty much do the same thing.
Well really, the same could be said for Heatran for the first four Pokes at least. And Blissey will fall to Explosion, and Tyranitar can't take too many Earth Powers.
The only real difference I see between the two is that Heatran has much better resistances and a x4 Ground weak, while Camerupt has mixed sweeping capabilities and a x4 Water weak. A Camerupt evo's virtues will help it against Skymin's Earth Power, Ttar's EQ, and Scizor's Superpower. But it dies in a second to every team's Bulky Water, whereas Heatran can take a Surf and Explode, or use Metal Sound and HP Grass (I use this).
I'm not saying they're exactly the same. Just that they're similar enough that the only difference we'll see is that some of the people who use Heatran will switch to Camerupt, without having to change their team around much as they pretty much do the same thing.
resists are not as important as taking specific pokes. scarfcamerupt can still take luke though xD
teh fact that heatran cna beat bulky waters is.. pretty much tellin gme that decent satk+ the right hidden power can mess up bulky waters? i know... just find another way to beat them if you're using camerupt (celebi)
heatran dies to the most common move in the game.. camerupt doesnt. heatran cant switch into scarf zapdos, camerupt can switch into any zapdos. heatran hates twave which is everywhere, and cant beat bliss without booming. camerupt *loves twave*
should a make another thread describing why this poke is great im just getting started lol
thanks for reading taylor. i really appreciate it.
Well I also said you could use Explosion to mess them up (and Camerupt can't do this nearly as effectively as it can't take a Surf and Explode).
But my point stands that they're really similar. You even prove my point further by showing that they work well with the same Pokemon (Celebi).
But my point stands that they're really similar. You even prove my point further by showing that they work well with the same Pokemon (Celebi).
*cough*Passho berry*cough*
But seriously, Gorm, there's nothing you can do now to change the process to get a Camerupt evo now. Just belt up until the next EVO project, because maybe a Farfetch'd/Houndoom evo will actually work well in the OU metagame. You may whine about how making a Farfetch'd evo may as well be a CAP project, but the EVO project is essentially the CAP project but shortened.
Also, one last bit of advice. Don't rant about the CAP/EVO project unless you've lurked, otherwise you'll just get ridiculed.
except camperupt works better since its not *as* messed up but mamo/tar heheh ^__^
thinks rupt does that tran doesnt
heatran can be ohkod switching into scizor, and can take zapdos who is annoying to both with heat wave/discharge/twave. camerupt can go mixed and eq blissey and fb everything else. wow/lava plume help spread the burn which slows the hell out of everything (including waters/gyara)... except tran who is primptly eqed and hera who is fbed.
EITHER way le't's not get ahead of ourselves xD
thinks rupt does that tran doesnt
heatran can be ohkod switching into scizor, and can take zapdos who is annoying to both with heat wave/discharge/twave. camerupt can go mixed and eq blissey and fb everything else. wow/lava plume help spread the burn which slows the hell out of everything (including waters/gyara)... except tran who is primptly eqed and hera who is fbed.
EITHER way le't's not get ahead of ourselves xD
Because why bother creating a Camerupt-clone when Camerupt already exists? It would be much easier to take Camerupt, increase its stats a bit, and add on a few moves, than to go through the process of creating a Camerupt clone:
Evolving Camerupt:
-Choosing Camerupt
-Keeping its type the same
-Increase the stats a bit
-Go with the same abilities
-Add on a few moves
Creating Camerupt-clone:
-Choosing role
-Choosing stat distribution
-Choosing stats
-Choosing type
-Choosing abilities
-Creating move-pool
The chance that all of those would favor Camerupt would also be slim. People would rather "break the mold" with CAP and would tend to stray away from options that would have it looking just like a Camerupt-evo (or an evolution of any other Pokemon). It would probably never happen.
Thus, the EVO project: Just like CAP, the point is to create a Pokemon that will fill a niche in the standard metagame that would benefit the metagame to be filled. Only with the EVO project, instead of starting completely from scratch, we'd take a Pokemon that can fill that niche, but for some reason (not great enough stats, missing a few critical moves, ect) isn't good enough to fill it in its current form, and improve it so that it can.
This is good because again, in CAP people will tend to stray away from things that already exist in the early steps of the process, meaning clones of existing Pokemon, even if it would benefit the metagame to make them, probably won't end of being through it. The EVO project gives an outlet for such things to be made.
Comparing the two current candidates in the EVO project, Farfetch'd and Houdoom, Houndoom seems to strike me as more of what the EVO project should be about: Taking a Pokemon that can fill a role and improving it, since it's currently not quite good enough to really pull it off. But for some reason, people seem to think that EVO=CAP and dismiss this, saying Houndoom can already "pull it off" and looking towards Farfetch'd, which can't do anything...
Which brings me to it. Farfetch'd currently has no niche, which is one of the reasons being cited to evolve it. People are talking about things like making it Flying/Fighting to give it a role. This just sounds an awful lot like CAP though; you're taking Farfetch'd, which doesn't really have a role, and assigning one to it, simply because "Flying/Fighting would be good for the metagame."
Yes, possibly, but why are we doing this through the EVO project? Why not through CAP? CAP is about creating new Pokemon to fill unfilled niches, which is what it sounds like what we'd being doing here; assinging the role of a flying/fighting sweeper to Farfetch'd, when it doesn't currently have any connection to such a niche and would just have to be assigned to it.
The EVO project should be more focused on simply improving Pokemon that can fill a niche, but just aren't quite good enough to fill it in their current form; they already have the typing, stat spread, ect, and are just in need of their stats being increase a bit and a few more powerful moves being added on.
If not, then there really wouldn't be any difference other than flavor and letting fanboys get the chance to evolve whatever, which definitely isn't enough of a reason to have it.
Linking this to policy (bolding for the people who are tl;dr, since this is the important part of my post), I really feel that, if nothing else, in future EVO projects, people should be forced to explain what niche the Pokemon they're nominating currently fills, and how allowing it to fill that niche in standard would improve the standard meta-game. In other words, no giving Pokemon new niches or assigning them ones; there's already CAP for that.
An example of doing this right woud be:
Houndoom: Special sweeper. Is BL due to having low defense on top of being SR weak, and also doesn't have the best speed for a sweeper causing people to opt for either Infernape or Heatran over it. Giving it more speed and a bit more defense would give people reason to consider using it over them. This will allow another check for Pokemon such as Dusknoir, Cressaila, and the Rotom-forms, while not being overpowering since it still has four weaknesses, all to common attacking types and still being weak to Stealth Rock on top of that.
An improvement on an already existing Pokemon without redefining it or assinging it a role; what the EVO project should be
Doing it wrong:
Farfetch'd: None, but it really, really sucks and could deal with some improvement, much more than a lot of Pokemon, and we could change its type to Flying/Fighting which wold be beneficial for the metagame because...
The EVO project shouldn't be assigning Pokemon roles, because assigning roles to Pokemon and going from there is what CAP does; if we wanted to create a Flying/Fighting Pokemon, when there isn't a Pokemon that already fulfills that role but just isn't good enough to effectively pull it off, that's pretty much what CAP is for.
To maintain a difference between the two, I really think we should stay with the former and not the latter. Otherwise, I don't really see the point in the EVO project.
You'll just have to wait until the next Evo project (which will be a longer wait) because what is done is well done.
When I first saw what the top 2 were, I wasn't too happy, maybe, maybe, this project will churn up something I really like or maybe it'll churn up something I will end of hating somewhat.
Whether I like it or not, I don't expect a current project to suddenly reverse it's decisions in the middle of it all. It's not like we don't look at past decisions and evaluate them. Why do we have policy review? Why do we revision pokemon? but restarting a whole project in the middle is kind of ridiculous.
When I first saw what the top 2 were, I wasn't too happy, maybe, maybe, this project will churn up something I really like or maybe it'll churn up something I will end of hating somewhat.
Whether I like it or not, I don't expect a current project to suddenly reverse it's decisions in the middle of it all. It's not like we don't look at past decisions and evaluate them. Why do we have policy review? Why do we revision pokemon? but restarting a whole project in the middle is kind of ridiculous.
RB Golbat's proposition was an interesting one. Maybe we should have individual discussion threads for each (popular) pokemon before the polls start? This time it was kind of a clusterfuck trying to discuss things individually, since there were a huge number of contenders in the first thread and it's easy for something to get lost; hell, even with only five contenders it was tough to discuss anything besides houndoom/farfetched, as every argument seemed to boil down to "it's going to be one of them."
I'm not saying camerupt necessarily would have won if there was a different first poll, but this suggestion would allow people to see the "big picture" before voting. Right now I think it is difficult to avoid the chat being quickly narrowed down to two options.
The biggest problem I see here is that it would provide a huge amount of extra work for the TL. Perhaps the EVO Topic Leader could pick "assistant TLs" or just select the people who get to manage each individual discussion thread. Sadly there is no way we could have a unique discussion for everything; I don't think anyone wants to come to cap and see 15 threads titled "EVO discussion: [pokemon]." These would have to be endorsed by the TL.
Note that I am not implying that we should abandon the current process. The process is incredibly important to CAP, and now that we have seen how this one worked we can make changes for next time. Unless there is a major flaw that comes up, I am against editing the process and we can see how every part of the EVO process played together.
@Cyber: When we talked about it last night we kindof thought the name should be Caelumrupt. But I dunno your suggestion isn't bad...
I'm not saying camerupt necessarily would have won if there was a different first poll, but this suggestion would allow people to see the "big picture" before voting. Right now I think it is difficult to avoid the chat being quickly narrowed down to two options.
The biggest problem I see here is that it would provide a huge amount of extra work for the TL. Perhaps the EVO Topic Leader could pick "assistant TLs" or just select the people who get to manage each individual discussion thread. Sadly there is no way we could have a unique discussion for everything; I don't think anyone wants to come to cap and see 15 threads titled "EVO discussion: [pokemon]." These would have to be endorsed by the TL.
Note that I am not implying that we should abandon the current process. The process is incredibly important to CAP, and now that we have seen how this one worked we can make changes for next time. Unless there is a major flaw that comes up, I am against editing the process and we can see how every part of the EVO process played together.
@Cyber: When we talked about it last night we kindof thought the name should be Caelumrupt. But I dunno your suggestion isn't bad...
Gorm, it seems to me you whined to everyone on Smogon not involved on CAP up until this point and told them to come and support you. Not saying you did, just saying it looks like you did.
My main opposition is that you are looking at the short term, going we are going to Camerupt anyways (which is usually false, everyone thought CAP would be Electric) and saying why don't we throw it ahead of what people have voted for. CAP is founded on voting, doing something like this which nullifies voting is bad.
Basically, imagine Al Gore declaring his candidacy for President tomorrow. Would we go back and redo all the early voting, primaries, and such just because we now have a new candidate? No, we follow the process laid out in the Constitution for electing officials, instead of changing it to suit our current needs.
My main opposition is that you are looking at the short term, going we are going to Camerupt anyways (which is usually false, everyone thought CAP would be Electric) and saying why don't we throw it ahead of what people have voted for. CAP is founded on voting, doing something like this which nullifies voting is bad.
Basically, imagine Al Gore declaring his candidacy for President tomorrow. Would we go back and redo all the early voting, primaries, and such just because we now have a new candidate? No, we follow the process laid out in the Constitution for electing officials, instead of changing it to suit our current needs.
uh wow youre pretty much telling me ALL these badgeholders didnt even read the thread and are just agreeing with me because i whinedto them?
how strong of a whiner do you think i am to pretty much get everyone in inside scoop on my side?
maybe i was right?
the truth is yeah i did fucking whine to everyone to because im pretyt much arguing on my own here and almost every single badged member, unlike *cap regulars* say "hey hes right" and not "DONT FUCK WITH OUR PROCESS ITS PERFECT" "JUST WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE"
do you really think this is *just my popularity* at work? you really think all these badged members are retarded sheep?
if al gore can present his case with good examples and why hes better than other choices like i have, id fucking vote for him. thats jsut not very likely because politics are fuckin gmore coplicated than pokemon
my fucking christ id like to take this opportunity to express my distaste in dealing with the CAP regulars especially latino heat. you all fucking pretty much told me to shut up and let it go and now that you see im serious im just a whiner who got his way?
all my reasons are good and none of you have really refuted a single one of them. I wish i didnt feel like i was fighting through a gang of people who think im a retarded whiner when i put this much effort into a thread about a project that i prertty much was not involved in ever. suddenly youre telling me to stop taking YOUR forum so seriously... alot of you are just complacent tbh.
im trying to make this forum.. worthy of it's own forum instead of being guided by a bunch of fanboyish reasons (alot of them started by yours truly) and you all were etremely difficult and unwilling to change your process.
this isnt an attack on anyone besides latinoheat, the only dude i have seen who wont fucking admit hes wrong ever and just be like
latino: lol
lh you accused me of disrespecting darkie as if discussing cap without darkie is a fucking crime? i REALLY wish darkie was here this whole time since hes the type so see reason... kind of like the rest of the badged members? are you guys seeing a pattern here?
Id like to thank hyra for actually discussing with me even though hes primarily wrong. (im being serious here ^_^;)
I'd like to especially thank doug for being pretty much a complete angel about this whole thing and giving me a chance to help
and id lastly like to apologize to darkie for this huge clusterfuck he has to deal with now lol.
lol perfect is such a stupid word. better is the word you want.
i was expecting it to be good. im gonna do all i can when i KNOW i can make it better.
camerupt has a specific niche to fill and he would do great and you all know it.
better than fetchd
better than houndoom
i cant beleive im still arguing about this.
what is not to get. are you all SO attatched to like 10 votes out of 300, a ton of which could be alts?
the current vote is totally non decicive and unerinformed. you all know this
why am i still arguing. i need darkie back now.
i was expecting it to be good. im gonna do all i can when i KNOW i can make it better.
camerupt has a specific niche to fill and he would do great and you all know it.
better than fetchd
better than houndoom
i cant beleive im still arguing about this.
what is not to get. are you all SO attatched to like 10 votes out of 300, a ton of which could be alts?
the current vote is totally non decicive and unerinformed. you all know this
why am i still arguing. i need darkie back now.
I wasn't talking about specific pokemon. I was asking whether you expected the EVO project as a whole to be perfect first time around.
And for the love of God, please just drop the whole Camerupt thing until EVO project 2, because it's too late to do anything about it now. Just vote for either Farfetch'd or Houndoom and take it from there.
And for the love of God, please just drop the whole Camerupt thing until EVO project 2, because it's too late to do anything about it now. Just vote for either Farfetch'd or Houndoom and take it from there.
I think its time for me to jump in and defend the process I wrote up.
Personally, I don't think its right to completely override the votes that we've had until now. Right now, fanboy or no fanboy, noob or badged member, everyone's vote counts equal.
Lets look at this another way. Lets say Hillary Clinton wanted a recount of the Democratic Primary today. The answer would be no, whats done is done. I don't see how this is any different. Camerupt was suggested, and there was no support. "I wasn't here to support it." is a horrible arguement, and "I didn't care." is a worse reason. If you didn't care to be here for making the process, and you didn't care when your preffered choice was suggested, why should you care now. Better question: Why should we change our whole process now?
I'm not saying my process is perfect, I know its far from it. I'm saying why make it needlessly complex by throwing a monkey wrench in the works? You weren't here for the process. You were here for the Pokemon choice, but supported another Pokemon. Its not the project's fault at all that Camerupt wasn't chosen. Whats so bad about waiting for it?
Note that this isn't a personal attack on you, and I have a lot of respect for you challenging the system, because not many people have the balls to do that. I just think that its very late for this kind of thing.
Personally, I don't think its right to completely override the votes that we've had until now. Right now, fanboy or no fanboy, noob or badged member, everyone's vote counts equal.
Lets look at this another way. Lets say Hillary Clinton wanted a recount of the Democratic Primary today. The answer would be no, whats done is done. I don't see how this is any different. Camerupt was suggested, and there was no support. "I wasn't here to support it." is a horrible arguement, and "I didn't care." is a worse reason. If you didn't care to be here for making the process, and you didn't care when your preffered choice was suggested, why should you care now. Better question: Why should we change our whole process now?
I'm not saying my process is perfect, I know its far from it. I'm saying why make it needlessly complex by throwing a monkey wrench in the works? You weren't here for the process. You were here for the Pokemon choice, but supported another Pokemon. Its not the project's fault at all that Camerupt wasn't chosen. Whats so bad about waiting for it?
Note that this isn't a personal attack on you, and I have a lot of respect for you challenging the system, because not many people have the balls to do that. I just think that its very late for this kind of thing.
Well there is always Castform..
And personally I think that Gorm you need to take a bit more time over your posts and think out your arguments more clearly. We are not arguing about which Pokemon would be better to evolve so don't try to convince us that Camerupt is better. Its entirely beside the point.
Also don't insult the CaP "royalty" we are not always right and we admit it, but we know a hell of a lot more about how CaP works than you, or some badge holders you have called in to help you. I don't mean that you or them are stupid, but that you should not try to impose your idea of what's best over this project if almost all of the CaP regulars are strongly opposing it.
Ok so we have Obama and Mccain here about to be voted into office right?
Then, suddenly, a government official comes out and says that both candidates are terrible and we need to discount all votes toward them because Ralph Nader is the best candidate and would help America the most.
Is he right?
Probably.
Is this taking a huge shit on the democratic process?
Yes.
The core of the CaP and EVO projects has always been democracy. Now that's not to say we should let the fanboy armies have full reign. To keep the competitave spirit of the project, we have a TL to cull fanboyish suggestions out of the topic and keep order.
To say at this point that the prospective candidates are "wrong" is basically saying that the TL failed to do his job and is quite frankly, disrespectful to everyone involved in the project.
If your goal is to always do what you beleive is best for the metagame, then I suggest you create your own project where only your handpicked panel of metagame experts are allowed to make descisions because thats not the point here. We are here to tinker with the metagame and learn about it, not to perfect it as soon as we possibly can.
Then, suddenly, a government official comes out and says that both candidates are terrible and we need to discount all votes toward them because Ralph Nader is the best candidate and would help America the most.
Is he right?
Probably.
Is this taking a huge shit on the democratic process?
Yes.
The core of the CaP and EVO projects has always been democracy. Now that's not to say we should let the fanboy armies have full reign. To keep the competitave spirit of the project, we have a TL to cull fanboyish suggestions out of the topic and keep order.
To say at this point that the prospective candidates are "wrong" is basically saying that the TL failed to do his job and is quite frankly, disrespectful to everyone involved in the project.
If your goal is to always do what you beleive is best for the metagame, then I suggest you create your own project where only your handpicked panel of metagame experts are allowed to make descisions because thats not the point here. We are here to tinker with the metagame and learn about it, not to perfect it as soon as we possibly can.
itt well thought out but /late post was made.
Camerupt had its chance in the first vote poll and didn't make the cut. All of these posts would have been much more relevant then than they are now.
This also sets a bad precedent for decision making if we allow you to singlehandledly usurp the project. Next time it will be some n00b hellbent on evolving Arbok into a poison tank in order to wipe Scizor from living memory or something similar. If we allow the process to be hijacked once by the reasonable, the unreasonable will soon follow with the kind of "me too" bandwagoning fame that occasionally goes on here.
Houndoom evo as proposed (110 Atk w/Superpower/Flare Blitz) can deal with Starmie, Azelf, and the Skarm/Bliss/Cress defensive core better than any Camerupt evo would. Camerupt evo would still be slower than Swampert/Tyranitar if you are adding bulk and Aqua Tail is now a viable option for them, removing Camerupts ability to take their attacks in stride. Grass Knot is still 120 BP on Camerupt so it is not as if it can switch into them willy-nilly. Houndoom has no such weight problem, and only has to worry about Thunder Wave. Camerupt undeniable handles Zapdos better but fails against Wash Rotom, especially the RD variety.
And I like Camerupt. Ground is my favorite type, but the idea it is head and shoulders above everything else because it theoretically handles Zapdos (SubRoost > Stone Edge) is specious.
Camerupt had its chance in the first vote poll and didn't make the cut. All of these posts would have been much more relevant then than they are now.
This also sets a bad precedent for decision making if we allow you to singlehandledly usurp the project. Next time it will be some n00b hellbent on evolving Arbok into a poison tank in order to wipe Scizor from living memory or something similar. If we allow the process to be hijacked once by the reasonable, the unreasonable will soon follow with the kind of "me too" bandwagoning fame that occasionally goes on here.
Houndoom evo as proposed (110 Atk w/Superpower/Flare Blitz) can deal with Starmie, Azelf, and the Skarm/Bliss/Cress defensive core better than any Camerupt evo would. Camerupt evo would still be slower than Swampert/Tyranitar if you are adding bulk and Aqua Tail is now a viable option for them, removing Camerupts ability to take their attacks in stride. Grass Knot is still 120 BP on Camerupt so it is not as if it can switch into them willy-nilly. Houndoom has no such weight problem, and only has to worry about Thunder Wave. Camerupt undeniable handles Zapdos better but fails against Wash Rotom, especially the RD variety.
And I like Camerupt. Ground is my favorite type, but the idea it is head and shoulders above everything else because it theoretically handles Zapdos (SubRoost > Stone Edge) is specious.
I'm saying that revolting just because some people made a big stink about the results is counterproductive. Whether your reasons supposedly are for the better or worse, doesn't matter to the fact we SHOULDN'T constantly be redoing votes. This is not even between camerupt and farfetch'd, it was against farfetch'd and houndoom. Didn't anyone understand what I was saying in that post. There are unhappy people with voting results EVERYTIME. So if we accept this thread as the right direction, EVERYTIME someone makes a thread saying "We have great reasons that pokemon is the best choice but it didn't win. The original vote results happened because of fanboyism for *reasons again*...VOTE REDO." This forces us to start over or at least throw away some result causing very significant amounts of time to be wasted. This would happen endlessly until people were too apathetic to make such threads.
What people voted for is what people want, I fail to see how your method (constant debate until everyone is too tired) wastes less time than what we currently do, which is systematically take polls and simply accept the results and monitor what happens. Current testing can and will seep into future decisions as it has in the past.
I hate to sound harsh, but your complaints about poll results won't bring any progress to the project. Really, if you wanted Camerupt to win so badly, why would you wait to elaborate on your position until AFTER Camerupt loses the second poll? What I mean is, your OP contained a thought-out list of reasons why Camerupt should be given an evolution instead of Farfetch'd and Houndoom. Simply saying "Camerupt because we need a Zapdos counter" is not enough. The "fanboy" vote will select their choice simply based on a gut reaction to "which pokemon needs an evo the most?" (Which was Farfetch'd). In order to swing the vote your way, then it is your responsibility to make a long, well-thought out argument about WHY we should evolve, say, Camerupt, as well as why NOT to evovle Farfetch'd, Houndoom, or whatever else is in consideration.
However, if the poll results did not go your way, even after all your effort, you have to let it go instead of complaining about it. Your thread is not the first time someone has been unhappy about poll results. In fact, every CAP creation to date left certain people disappointed with poll results. Just to give you an example, the Primary Typing polls for CAP 4 (Fidgit) were very controversial. Back then, most of the "fanboy" vote was leaning towards Poison, but I made a large effort to convince people to vote for Electric instead. I managed to gain quite a bit of support and closed the gap, but many supporters of Poison also made excellent responses to my points (such as Deck Knight), and Electric ended up losing by just three votes. Even at the end, we still believed Electric was the better choice. But did the electric supporters start protesting and delaying the process? No! We accepted the results and had faith in the CAP community that our results would still be satisfactory, and sure enough, Fidgit, despite its typing, surpassed my expectations. So please, deal with it and wait for the next evolution project to come. It is then where you can take the opportunity to convince to the community as to why Camerupt would be a good choice.
However, if the poll results did not go your way, even after all your effort, you have to let it go instead of complaining about it. Your thread is not the first time someone has been unhappy about poll results. In fact, every CAP creation to date left certain people disappointed with poll results. Just to give you an example, the Primary Typing polls for CAP 4 (Fidgit) were very controversial. Back then, most of the "fanboy" vote was leaning towards Poison, but I made a large effort to convince people to vote for Electric instead. I managed to gain quite a bit of support and closed the gap, but many supporters of Poison also made excellent responses to my points (such as Deck Knight), and Electric ended up losing by just three votes. Even at the end, we still believed Electric was the better choice. But did the electric supporters start protesting and delaying the process? No! We accepted the results and had faith in the CAP community that our results would still be satisfactory, and sure enough, Fidgit, despite its typing, surpassed my expectations. So please, deal with it and wait for the next evolution project to come. It is then where you can take the opportunity to convince to the community as to why Camerupt would be a good choice.
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