I would even consider Mandibuzz a counter. After Aegi SD's Mandibuzz's Foul Play 2hko's even in shield form. And a +2 sacred sword does maybe 30-35% max, while shadow sneak and even shadow ball are completely useless against it.
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Pokémon Aegislash
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Which Tyranitar set does 20 Attack EV's Sacred Sword die from? I did a damage calc with 252 HP Adamant Tyranitar, and this is what I got.
20 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 344-408 (85.1 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
So, only a 6.3% chance to OHKO, which is pretty low. Even if you try to Shadow Sneak to finish up the kill on the Tyranitar, it still wouldn't be enough.
20 Atk Aegislash-Blade Shadow Sneak vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 29-34 (7.1 - 8.4%) -- "possibly the worst move ever"
Unless I'm calculating something wrong, I don't see how Tyranitar would get OHKO'd by this Aegislash.
Non-max attack Aegislash can only OHKO Ttar with a Life Orb.
0 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 442-525 (109.4 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
On the other hand, non-LO neutral-natured Aegis only OHKO ttar if it has 252 atk
252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 404-476 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That alone made me run Life Orb on all my Aegislash sets (except for Auto WP)
0 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 442-525 (109.4 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
On the other hand, non-LO neutral-natured Aegis only OHKO ttar if it has 252 atk
252 Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 404-476 (100 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That alone made me run Life Orb on all my Aegislash sets (except for Auto WP)
Just did some Life Orb calcs, and Aegislash even takes out M-Tyranitar with 50 attack EV's. Gonna go with this set for my Quiet nature Aegislash:
Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 HP / 50 Atk / 206 Sp. Atk
Quiet Nature
- King's Sheild
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak / Flash Cannon
Run Iron Head over Flash Cannon if you're ditching shadow sneak. Almost everything that you'd want to hit with Flash cannon is hit harder by Iron Head anyway.
206+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Togekiss: 265-315 (70.8 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
50 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Togekiss: 346-408 (92.5 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
50 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sylveon: 312-369 (79.1 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
206+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon: 322-382 (81.7 - 96.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery - Flash Cannon hits negligably harder on fully invested physically defensive Sylveon here but Iron head hits harder on all other variants
The only real thing that you'll be hitting harder is probably physically defensive Clefable.
50 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 289-343 (73.3 - 87%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
206+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Clefable: 439-523 (111.4 - 132.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Had someone tried a Special Aegislash? I've been using something like this...
Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Sp. Atk the rest in Def or ATK
Modest/ Rash Nature
- King's Shield/HP Fighting/Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Autonomize
- Flash Cannon
That set is pretty good since a lot of players just tries to burn Aegislash which is just pointless against this one... Also i,ve surprised a lot of Tyranitars and Greninjas with HP Fighting... X3 Sorry that i just don't put any calculations in this one but i'm using my phone!
Aegislash @ Life Orb
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Sp. Atk the rest in Def or ATK
Modest/ Rash Nature
- King's Shield/HP Fighting/Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Autonomize
- Flash Cannon
That set is pretty good since a lot of players just tries to burn Aegislash which is just pointless against this one... Also i,ve surprised a lot of Tyranitars and Greninjas with HP Fighting... X3 Sorry that i just don't put any calculations in this one but i'm using my phone!
you might as well just run sacred sword to 'surprise' tyranitar. an OHKO surprise is better than a 2HKO surprise!
6 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 442-525 (109.4 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(442, 447, 452, 458, 463, 468, 473, 478, 484, 489, 494, 499, 504, 510, 515, 525)
252+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Hidden Power Fighting vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 281-333 (69.5 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(281, 286, 286, 291, 291, 296, 302, 302, 307, 312, 312, 317, 322, 322, 328, 333)
6 Atk Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 442-525 (109.4 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(442, 447, 452, 458, 463, 468, 473, 478, 484, 489, 494, 499, 504, 510, 515, 525)
252+ SpA Life Orb Aegislash-Blade Hidden Power Fighting vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 281-333 (69.5 - 82.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(281, 286, 286, 291, 291, 296, 302, 302, 307, 312, 312, 317, 322, 322, 328, 333)
Considering that every Aegislash runs Sacred Sword, it isn't much of a surprise lol.
Also I assume you mean Spe instead of SpD. And it's:
Aegislash@Life Orb/Weakness Policy
Nature: Rash
EVs: 88 Atk / 252 SpA / 168 Spe
-Autotomize
-Shadow Ball
-Hidden Power Ice
-Sacred Sword
for Autotomize Aegislash.
hence the apostrophes, since there really isn't a reason to run hp fighting to 'surprise' people in the first place when tyranitar still has a chance to switch back out to something else. or if its some scrub running scarftar you might as well kiss aegislash goodbye
but honestly speaking special aegislash has been an idea that's around for quite a while already :/
but honestly speaking special aegislash has been an idea that's around for quite a while already :/
Could you elaborate on what HP Ice and the EVs do?
I personally ran this Aegislash for a bit:
Aegislash @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 132 Spe / 252 HP / 124 SAtk
Rash Nature
- Autotomize
- Shadow Ball
- Iron Head
- King's Shield
It was pretty rad; the EVs are aimed for maximum bulk with 252 HP, 132 speed outspeeds Greninja at +2 with the rest dumped into SpA. dual STAB with KS, as I believe that those are pretty much the only attacks Aegis needs on an Autotomize set. It can sweep early-game or late-game, depending on the opposite team.
I believe the HP Ice is in the set to threaten Gliscor and Lando-T switch ins, amongst other things.
its a shame aegislash doesnt have any real support options other than toxic and reflect. bulk like that on a pokemon people expect to swords dance/king/s sheld then spam shadow sneak with would be pretty good.
a relaxed one with flash cannon and shadow bball can be good for surprise factor but not much else.
a relaxed one with flash cannon and shadow bball can be good for surprise factor but not much else.
What's the point of King's Shield on this set? Once you set up Autotomize you'll go first (and hence into blade form) almost all the time so there isn't even the benefit of switching back to shield form. You have to ask yourself why you're running an arguably inferior protect. Surely Sacred Sword coverage would be much better.
I like WP without auto on my current team, I would rather save aegi for mindgames/revenge kills later than watch him die to a non-se move from the first mon it doesn't ko. Running SB + SS catches people off guard too. If I bait a SE move from a weak wall, he's still a great pivot after he's forced out too as well. Is WP still broken in Showdown, btw? Set:
(Aegislash) (M) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 248 HP / 128 Def / 132 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
- King's Shield
On a side note, Gastrodon is slower, so he hits blade :)
0 SpA Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Blade: 312-368 (96.2 - 113.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gastrodon: 172-204 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(useful if you need to revenge a full hp SD set) +2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 219-258 (51.4 - 60.5%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
(Aegislash) (M) @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Stance Change
EVs: 248 HP / 128 Def / 132 SDef
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spd
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
- Shadow Sneak
- King's Shield
On a side note, Gastrodon is slower, so he hits blade :)
0 SpA Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Blade: 312-368 (96.2 - 113.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Aegislash-Blade Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Gastrodon: 172-204 (40.3 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
(useful if you need to revenge a full hp SD set) +2 252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Sacred Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 219-258 (51.4 - 60.5%) -- 91.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
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If other Aegislash tend to be a problem, even with Brave/Quiet and 0 speed IVs, why not make it Lv.99?
Also, lagging tail may work, but I imagine LO is just plain better.
Finally, what are the merits of Substitute on a special set? It may well save you from a blow in Blade form, plus Automatize isn't always a given since low speed is a safe bet.
Also, lagging tail may work, but I imagine LO is just plain better.
Finally, what are the merits of Substitute on a special set? It may well save you from a blow in Blade form, plus Automatize isn't always a given since low speed is a safe bet.
Because then you lose valuable attack/special attack points/hit point points.
cosmic power clefable ends this thing cuz of encore and unware
The SD sets, perhaps. But seriously, those aren't a problem either way. However, many sets now use Iron Head, which Clefable isn't so hot on taking.
252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Clefable: 414-488 (105 - 123.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Aegislash-Blade Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 282-332 (71.5 - 84.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
While:
4 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Blade: 84-100 (25.9 - 30.8%) -- 6.1% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
yeah but if u can effectively switch into shadow sneak witch dose a 5th of clefables HP and still lock it there with encore cuz clefable is faster. then comic power on switch or stay doent really matter
I suppose that's true, you could switch in on the Shadow Sneak... but what set besides the SD one uses Shadow Sneak that often? And it's already been established that the SD set is a non-issue.
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To contribute to the overall discussion: What are everyone's opinions on the Weakness Policy Autotomize sets? I've been using it and it's quite good, but I'm not sure how it stacks up against Aegis' other options.
My apologize friend thanks for the tip. But is priority well not a priority to have and agislash? I always thought stab priority was super for any set. You know since agislash is very slow. i figured it would be very important since virtually anything that can kill it would move first like gyarados earthquake or MHoundoom , volcarona, charzard, gengar(possibly),Sub Ttar, and more.
But there are counters i do believe agislash is good but it could really use the priorety otherwise being to slow to deal with switch ins and such. Sorry 2 lines again <:(
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