Rhyperior is hit harder by Aqua Tail and Dragonite is destroyed by Headsmash. Garchomp would be a problem if Aggron didn't have access to Ice Punch.
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Aggron
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Rhyperior is hit harder by Aqua Tail and Dragonite is destroyed by Headsmash. Garchomp would be a problem if Aggron didn't have access to Ice Punch.
Well, here are some sets I made for the other Aggron thread before I realized this one already exists:
Body Purge
Aron @ Life Orb / Lum Berry / Balloon / Pumice Stone
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA) / Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Body Purge
- Head Smash
- Earthquake / Aqua Tail
- Magnet Rise / Ice Punch / Aqua Tail
Seriously? I'm really surprised not to see Body Purge on the OP. :0 It's basically like Rock Polish? But it halves damage from Grass Knot and, more importantly, Low Kick? YESPLZ. Aparet from that, it's basically token RP Aggron movewise... Itemwise, I went a little crazy, but I thought Ballon / Pumice Stone further alleviating Aggron's weaknesses a little was cool.
Choice Band
Aggron @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Head Smash
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- Superpower / Ice Punch / Double-Edge
Basically the same set, I just threw in a few more options and removed Thunderpunch, which is dumb IMO because of all the things that can come in on it, immune, set up (Garchomp, Doryuuzu, olol) and have supereffective Ground STAB against Aggron, no less. I also agree with Forsety with regards to Heavy Bomber; it's really only effective with Heavy Metal, which compared to Rock Head and Sturdy is a pretty useless ability.
Subgron
Aggron @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD / 84 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Substitute
- Head Smash
- Focus Punch / Earthquake
- Magnet Rise
<3 Subgron. My favorite 4th-Gen Aggron set.
Potential Sets:
Sturdy Lead
Aggron @ Custap Berry / Lum Berry
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SDef (?)
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
Ability: Sturdy
- Stealth Rock
- Metal Burst
- Stone Edge
- Ice Punch / Dragon Tail / Rest
My version of the lead. Stone Edge and Ice Punch are options for hitting the many Mischeivous Heart Taunters, Dragon Tail is for Spikers/Taunting setup leads, etc, Rest is to preserve Sturdy Metal Burst for later use. Obv Rest needs Aromatherapy/Heal Bell support. Not really sure why Knock Down was listed here in the OP, it's only useful if you need to hit stuff with Ground (or maybe Arena Trapping), but Aggron has little use for it, IMO. :0
ShuffleTank
Aggron @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD / 84 Spe (?)
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Head Smash
- Earthquake / Focus Punch
- Thunder Wave / Substitute
- Roar / Dragon Tail / Substitute
This set uses Aggron's bulk to attempt to spread paralysis around the enemy team. Thunder Wave helps Aggron's poor-ish speed, and Roar or Dragon Tail (depending on if you want to be able to phaze Subs or phaze when Taunted) spreads it around. Substitute can be utilized somewhere on the set, but you have to pick between paralyzing or shuffling foes when doing so. If you do opt for Sub, then Focus Punch is an option over Earthquake.
Also, I'd like to request that the Claw Sharpen sets be removed from the OP. :\ Claw Sharpen is pretty useless as a boosting move, for Aggron especially. Since his moves' accuracy is already quite acceptable, you're basically just using Sharpen. :0 Does anyone realize this? When has anyone (outside of Simple Pokes) EVER wanted to use Sharpen over something like Swords Dance or Dragon Dance? Sure, Aggron doesn't get those, but boosting with Claw Sharpen just takes too long and isn't worth the time it takes to get there; he'd rather just kill stuff with a Choice Band then waste 1-2 slots on making Claw Sharpen work.
Body Purge
Aron @ Life Orb / Lum Berry / Balloon / Pumice Stone
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA) / Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Body Purge
- Head Smash
- Earthquake / Aqua Tail
- Magnet Rise / Ice Punch / Aqua Tail
Seriously? I'm really surprised not to see Body Purge on the OP. :0 It's basically like Rock Polish? But it halves damage from Grass Knot and, more importantly, Low Kick? YESPLZ. Aparet from that, it's basically token RP Aggron movewise... Itemwise, I went a little crazy, but I thought Ballon / Pumice Stone further alleviating Aggron's weaknesses a little was cool.
Choice Band
Aggron @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Head Smash
- Earthquake
- Aqua Tail
- Superpower / Ice Punch / Double-Edge
Basically the same set, I just threw in a few more options and removed Thunderpunch, which is dumb IMO because of all the things that can come in on it, immune, set up (Garchomp, Doryuuzu, olol) and have supereffective Ground STAB against Aggron, no less. I also agree with Forsety with regards to Heavy Bomber; it's really only effective with Heavy Metal, which compared to Rock Head and Sturdy is a pretty useless ability.
Aggron getting Heavy Metal (with relation to Low Kick) is like Parasect getting Dry Skin last gen... Making an already-lethal weakness into triple overkill, LOL. Only Heavy Metal is completely useless compared to its pre-existing abilitites. :0
Subgron
Aggron @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD / 84 Spe
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Substitute
- Head Smash
- Focus Punch / Earthquake
- Magnet Rise
<3 Subgron. My favorite 4th-Gen Aggron set.
Potential Sets:
Sturdy Lead
Aggron @ Custap Berry / Lum Berry
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Def / 156 SDef (?)
Nature: Impish (+Def, -SpA)
Ability: Sturdy
- Stealth Rock
- Metal Burst
- Stone Edge
- Ice Punch / Dragon Tail / Rest
My version of the lead. Stone Edge and Ice Punch are options for hitting the many Mischeivous Heart Taunters, Dragon Tail is for Spikers/Taunting setup leads, etc, Rest is to preserve Sturdy Metal Burst for later use. Obv Rest needs Aromatherapy/Heal Bell support. Not really sure why Knock Down was listed here in the OP, it's only useful if you need to hit stuff with Ground (or maybe Arena Trapping), but Aggron has little use for it, IMO. :0
ShuffleTank
Aggron @ Leftovers / Lum Berry
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD / 84 Spe (?)
Nature: Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
Ability: Rock Head
- Head Smash
- Earthquake / Focus Punch
- Thunder Wave / Substitute
- Roar / Dragon Tail / Substitute
This set uses Aggron's bulk to attempt to spread paralysis around the enemy team. Thunder Wave helps Aggron's poor-ish speed, and Roar or Dragon Tail (depending on if you want to be able to phaze Subs or phaze when Taunted) spreads it around. Substitute can be utilized somewhere on the set, but you have to pick between paralyzing or shuffling foes when doing so. If you do opt for Sub, then Focus Punch is an option over Earthquake.
I actually really like this set, gimmick or no, but it really needs Rest, IMO. It's not likely that Aggron will survive Metal Burst followed by Endeavor, but if it does, I'd definitely want to heal Aggron for rinse-and-repeat sessions later.
Also, I'd like to request that the Claw Sharpen sets be removed from the OP. :\ Claw Sharpen is pretty useless as a boosting move, for Aggron especially. Since his moves' accuracy is already quite acceptable, you're basically just using Sharpen. :0 Does anyone realize this? When has anyone (outside of Simple Pokes) EVER wanted to use Sharpen over something like Swords Dance or Dragon Dance? Sure, Aggron doesn't get those, but boosting with Claw Sharpen just takes too long and isn't worth the time it takes to get there; he'd rather just kill stuff with a Choice Band then waste 1-2 slots on making Claw Sharpen work.
Pokemon without Harvest can't use Pinch Berries twice, and Metal Burst isn't likely to work a second time. If you want to try an Endeavor Set that can hit-and-run...
Aron @ Shell Bell
EVs: 0 HP IV
Nature: Whatever
Ability: Sturdy
- Endeavor
- Protect
- Toxic
- Substitute
Come in on something that isn't a ghost, Endeavor them and heal any damage with Shell Bell, switch out and come back later. As long as they have at least 200 HP Sandstorm could kill them too, and if they don't have a ghost/negative priority, it sweeps
lol, you proposed several sets with absurd amounts of alternate options then criticized one for being extraneous
You don't need to use it more than once, all you need to do is make sure there are no entry hazards to break Sturdy after Aggron rests. :| It can come back in and maim, if not kill something with Metal Burst a second time, then just eat it or whatever... either way, you're still doing more damage with SturdyBurst Aggron than anyone should realistically expect.
Seems like a massive waste of Aggron's talents, IMO. Anyone with Endeavor could use a set like that, and someone like Clefable, or even low-level Clefairy/Cleffa would probably be better for that than Aggron, who can actually kill stuff.
I don't see anything absurd about the amounts of moves listed on any of the sets I posted. :\ Nothing has more than three moves slashed in a slot, and each has its own specific importance worth mentioning. So what's the problem you're seeing? >____>
I beg to differ, aron is very good at that. I made a whole team out of it.
Aron @ Shell Bell, lv1
Sturdy
Endeavor
Roar
Aerial Ace
Protect
Get attacked, have 1 hp due to sturdy.
Use Endeavor, your opponent has 1 hp left.
Shell bell activate, you gain 1/8 of the damage as hp back, as you have 12 hp, this fully restores your health most of the time.
Sandstorm or toxic spikes kills the pokemon.
Rinse and repeat, if your opponent is steel type, you can roar so they get KOed by stealth rock on re-entry, or aerial ace away the last 1 hp. Or just switch and KO with a scarfer, so aron can be reused.
Difference between this and other Endeavor pokemon is that this can be reused multiple times.
The foe's Sazandora used Earth Power!
It's super effective!
Aron lost 11 HP! (91% of its health)
Aron held on thanks to Sturdy!
Aron used Endeavor!
The foe's Sazandora lost 75% of its health!
Aron's shell bell restored its HP a little! << Now at 100%
The sandstorm rages!
The foe's Sazandora is buffeted by the sandstorm!
The foe's Sazandora fainted!
..................................
ROFL.
Okay, I laugh, becuase-- get this-- this actually seems like it could work on account of one small detail in your quote (guess what it could possibly be??). Otherwise, I'd condemn Shell Bell as a useless item (and, by the way, I think it recovers 1/16th of the damage, which is completely insubstantial and always inferior to leftovers... unless it also got upgraded in the 5th Gen).
The only problem is that a ton of things resist Sandstorm and you also have to guarantee that there are absolutely no entry hazards in play (Tspikes excluded), since those screw Sturdy.
I give you credit for making a much better set than that other guy.
Did I seriously post my set without mentioning it was level 1? god damn it
It was first brought up in the Sturdy thread I think. some guy with a Blaziken avatar
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Why aerial ace though? are you using this set in Trick Room? It won't beat Leftovers users then, so does anyone know if there's some new Gen 5 move that acts like Dragon Rage which Aron learns?
In my opinion Swagger and Toxic are better outside of TR, if you somehow get a Substitute up that could be interesting but the only move you should ever have to use is Endeavor.
DISREGARD THIS ----/\
Aerial ace is a great move for 1v1 situations and allows Aron to actually kill things on his own, sorry for doubting you
It misses out on Leftovers pokemon but Toxic (90% according to bulbapedia) or Toxic Spikes (100%) kill those, and if you have Protect you can beat them 1v1.
Swagger is your best option for Steel types with Leftovers as well as pokemon who try to Recover/Roost on you, but that has terrible accuracy
Roar isn't an option. Doesn't work on higher leveled pokemon outside of wild ones
(Dammit, I checked bulbapedia and apparently that particular mechanic changed, again. Roar is possible)
maybe this for the new set?
Aron @ Shell Bell, lv1
Sturdy
Endeavor
Aerial Ace
Toxic
Roar/Protect/Swagger
Actually, I think Aggron has one of the best movesets in pokemon and completely deserves the absurd number of slashes you put in (matches his absurd movepool), but you're ignoring a very good addition to that movepool. patching up the chance for Head Smash to miss while boosting his attack is a dream come true, even if it is probably an inferior set-up option
"Difference between this and other Endeavor pokemon is that this can be reused multiple times."
Also Sandstorm immunity, Priority indifference, Toxic Spikes immunity, Doesn't need a Focus Sash, Taunt immune, and does worse in Trick Room (lol)
Still falls to Dragon Tail and Status though
LOL that would be an important detail to mention. But fine, I take it back, you guys both had the idea. Happy?
IMO, if you're gonna go this route, you basically NEED to run this set. Endeavor being the FEAR thing, Aerial Ace to finish stuff off (lack of priority on this thing really sucks. Are there any Sturdy-Endeavor users that get priority?). Roar is necessary to get rid of stuff that sees you as set-up bait and/or doesn't attack you for whatever reason. :0 and Protect for scouting (or whatever else you want on that slot). In any case, the set still gets wrecked by entry hazards, Hail, and anything that is immune to sandstorm (SS fails to finish it off in one turn, and Aron has to take another hit while scraping off that last HP with Aerial Ace-- meaning you only recover 1 HP with Shell Bell, your momentum stops, and it becomes fodder).
I take it you're referring to Claw Sharpen. I ignored its existence in my sets post for a very good reason, this post explains it in detail.
I'm using the good old SubPunch Aggron with Balloon and it's been really effective IMO.
Balloon means EQ won't hit you, and many EQ users doesn't use fighting or water attacks, meaning Aggron can often put a sub with ease (180 base defense means Aggron really laughs at many neutral physical attacks), paralyze something (i use Sub/Head Smash/Focus Punch/Thunder Wave) and start attacking when needed.
Also lols at Doryuuzu. Easy Substitute and free Focus Punch for Aggron! and SpD boost too.
Balloon means EQ won't hit you, and many EQ users doesn't use fighting or water attacks, meaning Aggron can often put a sub with ease (180 base defense means Aggron really laughs at many neutral physical attacks), paralyze something (i use Sub/Head Smash/Focus Punch/Thunder Wave) and start attacking when needed.
Also lols at Doryuuzu. Easy Substitute and free Focus Punch for Aggron! and SpD boost too.
Dude, that's an awesome idea. :O I totally should have thought of it... it frees up a moveslot from Magnet Rise, too. *facepalm* What do you use in the fourth slot? Head Smash/Focus Punch/Substitute/?
Thunder Wave.
Oh, that's good. :0 There's always the option of coverage moves like Aqua Tail and Ice Punch, too. But yeah, I love Thunder Wave on Aggron.
Uhm...
Only as aclaration, to the Autor:
Actually, Aggron is the third Heaviest PKMN in existence factoring Heavy Metal, so, is the Heaviest PKMN that can use it with STAB.
Well well, I think that, when the foes's Figthing, Ground and Water PKMN are down, Aggron can be nearly indestructible with Curse and Metal Burst.
And Ballon is nice, but Doryuzu can use Brick Break, LOLOLOL.
Only as aclaration, to the Autor:
Actually, Aggron is the third Heaviest PKMN in existence factoring Heavy Metal, so, is the Heaviest PKMN that can use it with STAB.
Well well, I think that, when the foes's Figthing, Ground and Water PKMN are down, Aggron can be nearly indestructible with Curse and Metal Burst.
And Ballon is nice, but Doryuzu can use Brick Break, LOLOLOL.
^ said stuff in bold.
I know he's got a got a x4 Weakness in Fight/Ground, but no defensive sets? Really guys? He's a BEAST in sandstorms thanks to the Rock-Type SpDef boost!
Aggron@Leftovers
Nature: Impish(+Def/-SpAtk)
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 SpDef/ 4 Whatever
Ability: Rock Head
Moves:
~Stealth Rock
~Thunder Wave
~Head SMASH
~Roar/Earthquake
In this Gen I've felt more and more that SR is safer set up mid-match as opposed to at the start. Start up SS ASAP. Come in on one of your plethora of resists, set up SR. If something comes in that you think you can hurt without taking too much yourself, Smash it. Set-up poke? Roar or TW. It offers great Para Support for the team, and takes hits like a champ. No fear of SR with it's x4 resist. Nobody will taunt you first either. But if you use him, best pack a fighting/Ground resist/immunity. Gengar works fairly well, as it's immune to both, but Gyara/Mence/Nite/Latios have resists to fighting/water and EQ immunity.
Aggron@Leftovers
Nature: Impish(+Def/-SpAtk)
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 SpDef/ 4 Whatever
Ability: Rock Head
Moves:
~Stealth Rock
~Thunder Wave
~Head SMASH
~Roar/Earthquake
In this Gen I've felt more and more that SR is safer set up mid-match as opposed to at the start. Start up SS ASAP. Come in on one of your plethora of resists, set up SR. If something comes in that you think you can hurt without taking too much yourself, Smash it. Set-up poke? Roar or TW. It offers great Para Support for the team, and takes hits like a champ. No fear of SR with it's x4 resist. Nobody will taunt you first either. But if you use him, best pack a fighting/Ground resist/immunity. Gengar works fairly well, as it's immune to both, but Gyara/Mence/Nite/Latios have resists to fighting/water and EQ immunity.
Actually,it's a 2x Resist since Rock doesn't resist Rock.