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Pet Mod Alternatium EX - PMPL
- Thread starter G-Luke
- Start date
I swear Smogon didn't warn me about this.
Here's my votes:
anaconja, G-Luke, Bloopyghost
abismal, ViZar, anaconja
ViZar, G-Luke, abismal
Moretto, ViZar, anaconja
Here's my votes:
anaconja, G-Luke, Bloopyghost ViZar, G-Luke, abismal
Winners!
In addition to these changes, we also have done some balancing for our existing mons, as quite a few are mediocre, a few key mons are pretty wack and need nerfs, while a large number of Pokémon would like a tuneup to help keep up with the expansive meta.
Nerfs
-Razor Shell, -20 Spe
Unsurprising, Pikachu-Unova has gotten a sizable nerf to it's ability to apply offensive pressure, losing Water type Razor She'll which made it such a menace to switch into. Nerfing it's speed is also a major deal, as it turns from a breaker that creeps a large majority of offensive mons to something that really only creeps walls. This nerf should make it easier to find offensive counterplay for.
-Hurricane, Mystical Fire, Earth Power
Springtime Storm is now 85 BP , 10 PP
In it's very short tenure, Enamorus has established itself to be the most dangerous Pokémon in the tier, being able to quickly snowball to sweep whole teams with little effort with Contrary Springside Storm and it's impeccable coverage. We decided to ax it's special Movepool and to cut into the power of SStorm, making it harder to snowball and alot more reliant on it's physical attacking Movepool to do major damage. Time will tell if this need is even still enough, but in the mean time we are satisfied with this result.
Buffs
Intimidate | HA: Water Absorb
74/105/75/60/70/116
+Darkest Lariat
Like most of the Pikachus subbed in this meta, Hoennchu was designed around me hanics and gimmicks introduced in it's own generation. And like most of them, these gimmicks ultimately sucked. We decided to revamp it's statline to be more optimized and it's abilities changed to give it some much needed defensive utility. It now serves as a fast offensive pivot with very good coverage backing it up, while also being able to set Spikes if necessary.
+15 Def
+Shadow Ball, +Moongeist Beam, +Terrain Pulse
What was Anaconja cooking so that the Ghost type lacked Ghost type special moves? Yeah so since it's a Terrain abuser first and foremost, I gave it Terrain Pulse so it actually always has coverage to abuse the terrain it's in, while also of course giving it the aforementioned special Ghost moves. Maybe now it can do something! 15 Defense is to shore up it's pitiful bulk.
+10 Atk, +15 Def
Wicked Blow has 100% Accuracy now.
Urshifu had a major problem, it sucked as a bulky Ground. Being weak to U-turn is godawful for optics, and it's myriad of other key weaknesses made it ultimately undesirable to put on a team over Stunfisk and co. This Attack and Defense buff cement it as a slow and bulky wallbreaker, 115 being pretty solid in the current metagame, while 130 Defense means even with a shoddy typing, Ursh will eat a good hit or two.
Surging Strikes is now a physical Water typed Stored Power clone
+U-turn, +Rapid Spin
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike was built to abuse Bulk Up sets with it's Stored Power clone STAB move, but suffered due to a) Bulk Up being the worst "viable" set up move in the game, b) Surging Strikes not being a real SP clone, only adding +10 BP per boost. c) Pretty mediocre statline to sweep and zero utility outside of Scald and SR.
Magic Guard makes it very unlikely we do any major altercations to it's stats, but we decided to at the very least, give Urshifu some much alneeded additional utility and make Surging Strikes actually be a viable moveslots instead of being worse Liquidation.
Steel/Electric
+8 HP, +15 Spe
+Swords Dance, +Agility, +Brick Break, +Zing Zap, +Stomping Tantrum
-5 Atk
VIkavolt had no niche to speak of in standard Alt EX. It was defensively outclassed by all the other Steels despite being the only one with reliable recovery and a Ground immunity. No utility moves outside of Sticky Web (multiple better setters exist), and Volt Switch (weak and blocked by Ground types) left a lot to be desired, and was usually frowned upon over Stunfisk-G and Necro-LH. Offensively it fares even worse, having a completely barren physical movepool. It was a nonsense mon. Now with these buffs, Vikavolt reasserts itself as a very potent defensive and offensive utility Pokémon, being able to swap into and force out a large number of Pokémon. It's particularly designed to play similar to choiced Rotom variants, tricking scarfs and then being able to SD up later on. Can also just run Double Dance on HO squads.
83/127/83/97/89/101
Prismatic Laser is 90 BP
+Sunsteel Strike, +Moongeist Beam, +Calm Mind, +Meteor Beam
Necrozma kinda sucks. It can't really compete as a wallbreaker versus most of the top tiers, due to shoddy STAB and poor coverage. Well I didn't want to crap over ViZar's vision, so we just reverted it to a previous version he subbed prior to being nerfed. We also gave it back Calm Mind and Meteor Beam, so special sets might see use.
Tuneups
These seem like alot but a few of these mons would like these small buffs to keep up with the ever approaching power creep.
These are massive (and minor) changes, so we will take a decent break to let the metagame settle. Have fun everyone, expect a very different Alternatium EX!
New Pokémon Name: Dialga
Stat Changes: 90 / 90 / 100 / 100 / 80 / 70 | 530 BST
Typing Changes: Steel / Dragon
Ability Changes: Clear Body / Transience (Under Trick Room, this Pokemon takes 0.75x damage from attacks.)
Adamant Orb Effect: When this Pokemon sets Trick Room, it lasts for 8 turns instead of 5.
Movepool Changes (If Any):
Roar of Time | Dragon | Special | 100 BP | 100% Accuracy | 5 PP | Sound | -3 Priority; raises the user's SpA by 1 if attacked before it moves.
+ Doom Desire, Teleport
What Separates it from Other Forms: dragon/steel is a great check to both articuno-t and pikachu-u. dialga can work as a bulky stealth rock setter or a powerful trick room setter.
New Pokémon Name: Palkia-Origin
Stat Changes: 80 / 110 / 70 / 90 / 70 / 110 | 530 BST
Typing Changes: Ground / Poison
Ability Changes: Unburden / Origin Orb (This Pokemon deals resisted damage to immunities.)
Lustrous Orb Effect: If any terrain or room is active, raises the user's Attack by 1. Single use.
Movepool Changes (If Any):
Origin Rend | Poison | Physical | 60 BP | 100% Accuracy | 10 PP | Contact | If this Pokemon is not holding an item, this move's base power is doubled.
+ Poison Jab, Gunk Shot, Sludge Bomb, Sludge Wave, Toxic Spikes
- every Dragon-type move besides Outrage, Dragon Tail, and Dragon Pulse
What Separates it from Other Forms: unburden cleaner when in any terrain, or mixed attacker that can afford to spam its STABs without fear of getting walled easily.
New Pokémon Name: Archronos
Stat Changes: 80 / 120 / 60 / 100 / 80 / 90 | 520 BST
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Pressure | Rewind
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Nasty Plot, Hyperspace Fury, Jaw Lock, Fling, Dark Pulse, Foul Play, Knock Off, Snarl, Pursuit, Taunt
-Flash Cannon, Heavy Slam, Iron Defense, Iron Head, Steel Beam, Iron Tail, Metal Claw
What Separates it from Other Forms: Offensive Pivot. Can use its item slot more diversely, running things like Eject Pack, or a berry.
Restores this Pokemon's held item upon switching out of battle.
Adamant Orb - Dialga & Archronos: 1.2x offenses, 0.8x defenses.
New Pokémon Name: Palkia
Stat Changes: 88/87/95/82/95/103 (550)
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: No Guard / Space Divide (Stat changes that happen on the physical side flip on the special and vice versa.)
Intended Roles: Mixed AttackerZen Headbutt, Psychic Fangs, Superpower
Expanding Force, Hyperspace Hole, Psychic, Psyshock, Psycho Boost
Cosmic Power, Calm Mind, Teleport
Aqua Tail, Liquidation, Dive
Hydro Pump, Surf, Brine, Water Pulse, Whirlpool
Aqua Ring, Rain Dance
What Separates it from Other Forms: Mixed Attacker with a more unique take on Contrary
Mixed Attacker
Palkia @ Lustrous Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Spacial Rend
- Psychic
- Fire Blast
- Scale Shot
Boosts the power of Palkia's and Centurigin's STAB moves by 1.2x
In addition to these changes, we also have done some balancing for our existing mons, as quite a few are mediocre, a few key mons are pretty wack and need nerfs, while a large number of Pokémon would like a tuneup to help keep up with the expansive meta.
Nerfs
-Razor Shell, -20 Spe
Unsurprising, Pikachu-Unova has gotten a sizable nerf to it's ability to apply offensive pressure, losing Water type Razor She'll which made it such a menace to switch into. Nerfing it's speed is also a major deal, as it turns from a breaker that creeps a large majority of offensive mons to something that really only creeps walls. This nerf should make it easier to find offensive counterplay for.
-Hurricane, Mystical Fire, Earth Power
Springtime Storm is now 85 BP , 10 PP
In it's very short tenure, Enamorus has established itself to be the most dangerous Pokémon in the tier, being able to quickly snowball to sweep whole teams with little effort with Contrary Springside Storm and it's impeccable coverage. We decided to ax it's special Movepool and to cut into the power of SStorm, making it harder to snowball and alot more reliant on it's physical attacking Movepool to do major damage. Time will tell if this need is even still enough, but in the mean time we are satisfied with this result.
Buffs
Intimidate | HA: Water Absorb
74/105/75/60/70/116
+Darkest Lariat
Like most of the Pikachus subbed in this meta, Hoennchu was designed around me hanics and gimmicks introduced in it's own generation. And like most of them, these gimmicks ultimately sucked. We decided to revamp it's statline to be more optimized and it's abilities changed to give it some much needed defensive utility. It now serves as a fast offensive pivot with very good coverage backing it up, while also being able to set Spikes if necessary.
+15 Def
+Shadow Ball, +Moongeist Beam, +Terrain Pulse
What was Anaconja cooking so that the Ghost type lacked Ghost type special moves? Yeah so since it's a Terrain abuser first and foremost, I gave it Terrain Pulse so it actually always has coverage to abuse the terrain it's in, while also of course giving it the aforementioned special Ghost moves. Maybe now it can do something! 15 Defense is to shore up it's pitiful bulk.
+10 Atk, +15 Def
Wicked Blow has 100% Accuracy now.
Urshifu had a major problem, it sucked as a bulky Ground. Being weak to U-turn is godawful for optics, and it's myriad of other key weaknesses made it ultimately undesirable to put on a team over Stunfisk and co. This Attack and Defense buff cement it as a slow and bulky wallbreaker, 115 being pretty solid in the current metagame, while 130 Defense means even with a shoddy typing, Ursh will eat a good hit or two.
Surging Strikes is now a physical Water typed Stored Power clone
+U-turn, +Rapid Spin
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike was built to abuse Bulk Up sets with it's Stored Power clone STAB move, but suffered due to a) Bulk Up being the worst "viable" set up move in the game, b) Surging Strikes not being a real SP clone, only adding +10 BP per boost. c) Pretty mediocre statline to sweep and zero utility outside of Scald and SR.
Magic Guard makes it very unlikely we do any major altercations to it's stats, but we decided to at the very least, give Urshifu some much alneeded additional utility and make Surging Strikes actually be a viable moveslots instead of being worse Liquidation.
Steel/Electric
+8 HP, +15 Spe
+Swords Dance, +Agility, +Brick Break, +Zing Zap, +Stomping Tantrum
-5 Atk
VIkavolt had no niche to speak of in standard Alt EX. It was defensively outclassed by all the other Steels despite being the only one with reliable recovery and a Ground immunity. No utility moves outside of Sticky Web (multiple better setters exist), and Volt Switch (weak and blocked by Ground types) left a lot to be desired, and was usually frowned upon over Stunfisk-G and Necro-LH. Offensively it fares even worse, having a completely barren physical movepool. It was a nonsense mon. Now with these buffs, Vikavolt reasserts itself as a very potent defensive and offensive utility Pokémon, being able to swap into and force out a large number of Pokémon. It's particularly designed to play similar to choiced Rotom variants, tricking scarfs and then being able to SD up later on. Can also just run Double Dance on HO squads.
83/127/83/97/89/101
Prismatic Laser is 90 BP
+Sunsteel Strike, +Moongeist Beam, +Calm Mind, +Meteor Beam
Necrozma kinda sucks. It can't really compete as a wallbreaker versus most of the top tiers, due to shoddy STAB and poor coverage. Well I didn't want to crap over ViZar's vision, so we just reverted it to a previous version he subbed prior to being nerfed. We also gave it back Calm Mind and Meteor Beam, so special sets might see use.
Tuneups
These seem like alot but a few of these mons would like these small buffs to keep up with the ever approaching power creep.
+5 SpA and Calm Mind to Calyrex Midnight
+ice Shard and Earthquake, +10 Spe to Calyrex Ice
+5 Atk on Samurott Rogue and Ceaseless Edge is now 85 BP.
+Calm Mind and +8 HP on Samurott
+Dual Wingbeat on Oricorio
+10 Spe on Kommo 80
+10 Def Rockmo-o
+10 HP +10 SpA +10 Spe on Lurantio
+10 both offenses Electrode
+iron Fist and Meteor Mash -Technician Toxtricity-Rock-Star
+Hidden Power Polteageist-Antique
+20 HP to Persian-Bandit
+Mountaineer to Mistlegant
+20 HP to Pikachu-Kanto
+12 Spe to Pikachu-World
+25 Spe to Decidueye-Autumn
+ice Shard and Earthquake, +10 Spe to Calyrex Ice
+5 Atk on Samurott Rogue and Ceaseless Edge is now 85 BP.
+Calm Mind and +8 HP on Samurott
+Dual Wingbeat on Oricorio
+10 Spe on Kommo 80
+10 Def Rockmo-o
+10 HP +10 SpA +10 Spe on Lurantio
+10 both offenses Electrode
+iron Fist and Meteor Mash -Technician Toxtricity-Rock-Star
+Hidden Power Polteageist-Antique
+20 HP to Persian-Bandit
+Mountaineer to Mistlegant
+20 HP to Pikachu-Kanto
+12 Spe to Pikachu-World
+25 Spe to Decidueye-Autumn
These are massive (and minor) changes, so we will take a decent break to let the metagame settle. Have fun everyone, expect a very different Alternatium EX!
Time for our new slate!
Slate 16: Fish Hooks 
:bw/basculin-blue-striped:
The Basculin family sets itself apart as currently being the only Pokémon whose entire evolution line is eligible for Alternatium. Let's utilize this rare gift to it's fullest and make it count! Good luck!
Slate 16: Fish Hooks :bw/basculin-blue-striped:The Basculin family sets itself apart as currently being the only Pokémon whose entire evolution line is eligible for Alternatium. Let's utilize this rare gift to it's fullest and make it count! Good luck!
New Pokémon Name: Basculin
Stat Changes: 70 HP / 103 Atk / 65 Def / 99 SpA / 65 SpD / 108 Spe [BST: 510]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Reckless / Multiscale | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Aura Sphere, Close Combat, Clamp, Focus Blast, No Retreat, Submission, Wave Crash, Wild Charge
What Separates it from Other Forms: No Retreat sweeper, Offensive pivot.
New Pokémon Name: Basculectric
Stat Changes: 80 HP / 90 Atk / 80 Def / 110 SpA / 80 SpD / 70 Spe [BST: 510]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Volt Absorb / Speed Boost | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Life Dew, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Discharge, Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, Charge, Rising Voltage, Electric Terrain, Electro Ball, Soak, Wild Charge, Surging Strikes, Wave Crash
What Separates it from Other Forms: Speed Boost cleaner
New Pokémon Name: Basculegion
Stat Changes: 110 HP / 80 Atk / 70 Def / 45 SpA / 90 SpD / 45 Spe [BST: 520]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Adaptability | Regenerator (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): (inherits from Basculin)
+Life Dew, Poltergeist, Hex, Shadow Ball, Calm Mind, Wave Crash, Will-o-Wisp
-Superpower
What Separates it from Other Forms: Wallbreaker, Assault Vest, Defensive Pivot
Water | Physical | 70 BP | 16 PP | Contact | 33% Recoil damage. Goes first, but fails if the target is not attacking (Sucker Punch)
more coming soon
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New Pokémon Name: Basculin
Stat Changes: 75 / 112 / 75 / 80 / 75 / 98 | 515
Typing Changes: Fire / Rock
Ability Changes: Reckless / Rock Head
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Flare Blitz, Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Stone Edge, Rock Slide, Meteor Beam, Drill Run, Earth Power
- all Water moves besides Aqua Jet, Flip Turn, and Surf
What Separates it from Other Forms: middling speed big damage dealer.
New Pokémon Name: Basculin-Blue
Stat Changes: 95 / 92 / 75 / 90 / 75 / 88 | 515
Typing Changes: Water / Ice
Ability Changes: Adaptability / Mold Breaker
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, Blizzard, Freeze-Dry
- Superpower
What Separates it from Other Forms: middlinger speed bigger damage dealer.
New Pokémon Name: Basculin-White
Stat Changes: 85 / 102 / 75 / 60 / 75 / 118 | 515
Typing Changes: Psychic / Dark
Ability Changes: Strong Jaw / Dazzling
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Psychic, Psyshock, Calm Mind, Teleport, Jaw Lock, Knock Off, Pursuit, Beat Up, Switcheroo, Fire Fang, Thunder Fang
- all Water moves besides Aqua Jet, Flip Turn, and Surf
What Separates it from Other Forms: fast offensive pivot.
New Pokémon Name: Basculegion
Stat Changes: 120 / 112 / 80 / 80 / 80 / 58 | 530
Typing Changes: Water / Bug
Ability Changes: Swarm / Parental Bond
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Wave Crash | Water | Physical | 90 BP | 100% Accuracy | 16 PP | Contact | +2 Priority if first turn out, otherwise 33% recoil.
+ Leech Life, Lunge, Attack Order, Infestation, Defend Order, Knock Off
What Separates it from Other Forms: click liquidation and leech life to heal and deal.
New Pokémon Name: Bascukujira
Stat Changes: 120 / 87 / 80 / 85 / 80 / 78 | 530
Typing Changes: Rock / Grass
Ability Changes: Storm Drain / Sheer Force
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Paleo Wave (see CAP), Stone Edge, Rock Slide, Meteor Beam, Power Gem, Power Whip, Grass Knot, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Worry Seed, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Earth Power, Sludge Bomb, Soak
- all Water moves besides Aqua Jet, Flip Turn, Surf, and Scald
What Separates it from Other Forms: weird typing but can put out great damage with sheer force at the cost of being slow with few resistances.
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New Pokémon Name: Basculin
Stat Changes: 70 / 90 / 90 / 70 / 70 / 110 [BST: 500]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Strong Jaw | Drought (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): + Fire Blast, Fire Fang, Fire Spin, Flame Charge, Flamethrower, Flare Blitz, Overheat, Will-O-Wisp
What Separates it from Other Forms: Mostly intended to be a strong jaw user, but also able to set sun up if wanted.
New Pokémon Name: Fichad
Stat Changes: 70 / 80 / 110 / 80 / 110 / 50 [BST: 500]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Dragon's Maw | Sheer Force (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): + Draco Meteor, Dragon Breath, Dragon Dance, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Rush, Outrage, Special Rend, Steam Eruption
What Separates it from Other Forms: Dragon move spammer. Sheer force can be used to boost coverage moves.
New Pokémon Name: Zougly
Stat Changes: 70 / 75 / 70 / 80 / 70 / 135 [BST: 500]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Adaptability | Snow Warning (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): From Basculin
+ Aurora Veil, Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Freezy Frost, Frost Breath, Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear
What Separates it from Other Forms: Dedicated veil setter which maybe is not needed, but I want to and I will make one.
New Pokémon Name: Basculegion
Stat Changes: 120 / 105 / 60 / 95 / 60 / 90 [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Filter | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): From Basculin
+ Aura Sphere, Bulk Up, Close Combat, Focus Blast, Poltergeist, Recover, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak
- Head Smash
What Separates it from Other Forms: Downgraded marshadow.
New Pokémon Name: Tempestrout
Stat Changes: 120 / 85 / 80 / 115 / 100 / 30 [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Filter | Teravolt (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): From Basculin
+ Aurora Veil, Blizzard, Charge, Charge Beam, Defog, Discharge, Freeze-Dry, Frost Breath, Hurricane, Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Mist, Roost, Tailwind, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, Volt Switch, Wild Charge
What Separates it from Other Forms: Slow mon to be used in TR that packing a punch with that large chunk of special attack.
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Commentary
Lower the SpA on Bascukujira. The SpA + SF + coverage is far too high for what we are working with rn, especially since it's bulk is very commendable for an offensive Pokémon.
Speed Boost is too good on Basculin Blue, best if you either nerf speed or remove it altogether.
(Why am I not surprised)
Nerf the speed on "Zougly". We alr hit an established speed ceiling (140), and I am not interested in breaking that.
Nerf the bulk on Basculegion by a good bit, it's already insane offensively we don't need it to be great at switching into things.
Get rid of Cleaning Wave, Housekeeping set back Sylvemons for years, we don't need 2.0 in our meta, and the Special Attack is ridiculous, it needs to be lowered.
Giving everyone 48 Hours to clean up their subs, while also leaving the floor open for any new submissions, they are very much welcome! Thanks and Good Luck.
New Pokémon Name: Bascukujira
Stat Changes: 120 / 72 / 80 / 100 / 80 / 78 | 530
Typing Changes: Rock / Grass
Ability Changes: Storm Drain / Sheer Force
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Paleo Wave (see CAP), Stone Edge, Rock Slide, Meteor Beam, Power Gem, Power Whip, Grass Knot, Energy Ball, Giga Drain, Worry Seed, Leech Seed, Synthesis, Earth Power, Sludge Bomb, Soak
- all Water moves besides Aqua Jet, Flip Turn, Surf, and Scald
What Separates it from Other Forms: weird typing but can put out great damage with sheer force at the cost of being slow with few resistances.
New Pokémon Name: Basculectric
Stat Changes: 80 HP / 90 Atk / 70 Def / 110 SpA / 70 SpD / 90 Spe [BST: 510]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Rock Head / Speed Boost | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Thunderbolt, Thunder, Discharge, Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, Charge, Rising Voltage, Electric Terrain, Electro Ball, Soak, Wild Charge, Surging Strikes, Wave Crash
What Separates it from Other Forms: Speed Boost cleaner
more coming soon
Speed Boost is too good on Basculin Blue, best if you either nerf speed or remove it altogether.
New Pokémon Name: Zougly
Stat Changes: 70 / 70 / 70 / 70 / 70 / 150 [BST: 500]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Adaptability | Snow Warning (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): + Aurora Veil, Blizzard, Freeze-Dry, Freezy Frost, Frost Breath, Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear
What Separates it from Other Forms: Dedicated veil setter which maybe is not needed, but I want to and I will make one.
New Pokémon Name: Basculegion
Stat Changes: 120 / 105 / 85 / 45 / 85 / 90 [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Filter | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): From Basculin
+ Aura Sphere, Bulk Up, Close Combat, Focus Blast, Poltergeist, Recover, Shadow Ball, Shadow Sneak
- Head Smash
What Separates it from Other Forms: Downgraded marshadow.
New Pokémon Name: Tempestrout
Stat Changes: 120 / 50 / 80 / 150 / 100 / 30 [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Filter | Cleaning Wave (HA)
Cleaning Wave: On switch-in, this Pokemon removes hazards on both side; immune to them.
Movepool Changes (If Any): From Basculin
+ Aurora Veil, Blizzard, Charge, Charge Beam, Defog, Discharge, Freeze-Dry, Frost Breath, Hurricane, Ice Shard, Icicle Crash, Icicle Spear, Mist, Roost, Tailwind, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, Volt Switch, Wild Charge
What Separates it from Other Forms: Instant hazard control that also packing a punch with that large chunk of special attack.
(Why am I not surprised)
Nerf the speed on "Zougly". We alr hit an established speed ceiling (140), and I am not interested in breaking that.Nerf the bulk on Basculegion by a good bit, it's already insane offensively we don't need it to be great at switching into things.Giving everyone 48 Hours to clean up their subs, while also leaving the floor open for any new submissions, they are very much welcome! Thanks and Good Luck.
New Pokémon Name: Basculin-Hot-Headed
Stat Changes: 70 HP / 112 Atk / 85 Def / 80 SpA / 70 SpD / 98 Spe [BST: 515]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Reckless / Flash Fire | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Fire Blast, Wave Crash*, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Overheat, Flamethrower, Sunny Day, Flare Blitz
-Superpower, Ice Beam
What Separates it from Other Forms: Physical Wallbreaker
Basculin-Hot-Headed is a frail but strong wallbreaker thanks to Reckless boosted Flare Blitz and Wave Crash. 98 Speed is pretty good for a breaker as well, and nasty priority allows it to smack what outspeed's it hard.
New Pokémon Name: Basculin-Morass-Bed
Stat Changes: 80 HP / 112 Atk / 100 Def / 75 SpA / 70 SpD / 78 Spe [BST: 515]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Rock Head / Sand Stream | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Synthesis, Wood Hammer, Leech Seed, Giga Drain, Leaf Storm, Earthquake, Earth Power, Rock Slide, Energy Ball, Leaf Blade, Wave Crash, Aromatherapy, Sand Tomb, Stealth Rock, Mud Bomb, Grass Knot
-All Water type moves sans Flip Turn and Waterfall
What Separates it from Other Forms:
Basculin-Calm-Tides plays the role of bulky wallbreaker instead of faster offensive mon, and does it well thanks to it's good defense and formidable power. Rock Head Wood Hammer makes for a fierce threat. Sand Stream exists to make Sand chip a viable strategy, good for a more bulky tank approach.
New Pokémon Name: Basculin-Skyship (Eviolite-Compatible)
Stat Changes: 70 HP / 92 Atk / 65 Def / 80 SpA / 55 SpD / 118 Spe [BST: 480]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Gale Wings / Light Metal | Sky Breach* (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Acrobatics, U-turn, Iron Head, Flash Cannon, Hurricane, Doom Desire, Spikes, Flip Turn, Defog, Thunder Fang, Air Slash, Brick Break, Dual Wingbeat, Final Gambit
What Separates it from Other Forms:
Basculin-Skyship is a revengekiller first and foremost. Sporting a high speed tier and cheeky ways to access STAB priority, Basculin-Skyship is an annoying but formidable revengekiller, held in check thanks to average offensive stats, inability to boost said stats and no good bulk, even factoring Eviolite into the equation.
New Pokémon Name: Basculegion
Stat Changes: 120 HP / 115 Atk / 60 Def / 85 SpA / 90 SpD / 60 Spe [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Mold Breaker / Perish Body | Rattled (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): (inherits Movepool from Basculin in standard)
+Strength Sap, Poltergeist, Hex, Shadow Ball, Nasty Plot, Venoshock*, Will-o-Wisp, Dark Pulse, Snarl, Night Slash, Knock Off, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Trick Room
-All Water type moves sans Flip Turn, Waterfall and Scald, Toxic
What Separates it from Other Forms:
Basculegion has a bag of crafty tricks up it's sleave, from powerful physically leaning wallbreaker sets, to Nasty Plot lures and even a neat SpD pivot. Whatever you need, Basculegion is your guy.
New Pokémon Name: Basculagoon
Stat Changes: 120 HP / 95 Atk / 90 Def / 100 SpA / 80 SpD / 45 Spe [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Adaptability / Marvel Scale | Water Compaction (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): (inherits Movepool from Basculin in standard)
+Wave Crash, Outrage, Draco Meteor, Dragon Dance, Dragon Hammer, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Breath, Dragon Tail, Dragon Rush, Thunder Wave
What Separates it from Other Forms: Like Basculegion, Basculagoon can serve as either wallbreaker or defensive pivot. It however does it in completely different ways thanks to it's very different Movepool and typings. While it lacks recovery, it's bulk and typing allow it to defensively check a large number of threats.
Wave Crash - Water type Sucker Punch. 33% Recoil.
Venoshock - Works on all status ailments.
Sky Breach - Turns the user's Water type moves into Flying type moves.
Venoshock - Works on all status ailments.
Sky Breach - Turns the user's Water type moves into Flying type moves.
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New Pokémon Name: Basculin-Hot-Headed
Stat Changes: 70 HP / 112 Atk / 85 Def / 80 SpA / 70 SpD / 98 Spe [BST: 515]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Reckless / Flash Fire | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Fire Blast, Wave Crash*, Flame Charge, Flame Wheel, Overheat, Flamethrower, Sunny Day, Flare Blitz
-Superpower, Ice Beam
What Separates it from Other Forms: Physical Wallbreaker
Basculin-Hot-Headed is a frail but strong wallbreaker thanks to Reckless boosted Flare Blitz and Wave Crash. 98 Speed is pretty good for a breaker as well, and nasty priority allows it to smack what outspeed's it hard.
New Pokémon Name: Basculin-Skyship (Eviolite-Compatible)
Stat Changes: 70 HP / 92 Atk / 65 Def / 80 SpA / 55 SpD / 118 Spe [BST: 480]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Gale Wings / Light Metal | Sky Breach* (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Acrobatics, U-turn, Iron Head, Flash Cannon, Hurricane, Doom Desire, Spikes, Flip Turn, Defog, Thunder Fang, Air Slash, Brick Break, Dual Wingbeat, Final Gambit
What Separates it from Other Forms:
Basculin-Skyship is a revengekiller first and foremost. Sporting a high speed tier and cheeky ways to access STAB priority, Basculin-Skyship is an annoying but formidable revengekiller, held in check thanks to average offensive stats, inability to boost said stats and no good bulk, even factoring Eviolite into the equation.
New Pokémon Name: Basculegion
Stat Changes: 120 HP / 115 Atk / 60 Def / 85 SpA / 90 SpD / 60 Spe [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Mold Breaker / Perish Body | Rattled (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): (inherits Movepool from Basculin in standard)
+Strength Sap, Poltergeist, Hex, Shadow Ball, Nasty Plot, Venoshock*, Will-o-Wisp, Dark Pulse, Snarl, Night Slash, Knock Off, Shadow Claw, Shadow Sneak, Trick Room
-All Water type moves sans Flip Turn, Waterfall and Scald, Toxic
What Separates it from Other Forms:
Basculegion has a bag of crafty tricks up it's sleave, from powerful physically leaning wallbreaker sets, to Nasty Plot lures and even a neat SpD pivot. Whatever you need, Basculegion is your guy.
New Pokémon Name: Basculagoon
Stat Changes: 120 HP / 95 Atk / 90 Def / 100 SpA / 80 SpD / 45 Spe [BST: 530]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Adaptability / Marvel Scale | Water Compaction (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any): (inherits Movepool from Basculin in standard)
+Wave Crash, Outrage, Draco Meteor, Dragon Dance, Dragon Hammer, Dragon Pulse, Dragon Breath, Dragon Tail, Dragon Rush, Thunder Wave
What Separates it from Other Forms: Like Basculegion, Basculagoon can serve as either wallbreaker or defensive pivot. It however does it in completely different ways thanks to it's very different Movepool and typings. While it lacks recovery, it's bulk and typing allow it to defensively check a large number of threats.
Wave Crash - Water type Sucker Punch. 33% Recoil.
Venoshock - Works on all status ailments.
Sky Breach - Turns the user's Water type moves into Flying type moves.
New Pokémon Name: Basculectric
Stat Changes: 80 HP / 90 Atk / 80 Def / 110 SpA / 80 SpD / 70 Spe [BST: 510]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Volt Absorb / Speed Boost | Mold Breaker (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+Life Dew, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Discharge, Volt Switch, Thunder Wave, Charge, Rising Voltage, Electric Terrain, Electro Ball, Soak, Wild Charge, Surging Strikes, Wave Crash
What Separates it from Other Forms: Speed Boost cleaner
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Slate 17: Mythical Mayhem: Take Two 
These Pokémon are both Mythical Pokémon who have troubled histories in OU. Magearna was a controversial Pokémon in it's debut Generation, and was deemed a necessary evil of sorts in that meta. It proved even more potent after receiving gifts in Gen 8, making it now reside in Ubers. The opposite is true for Zarude, appearing in Gen 8, it struggled to be relevant in OU until it eventually fell to lower tiers. This is not OU, all four of these Pokémon should be able to viably coexist alongside each other, so have fun balancing an Uber and a UU Pokémon for an even more modest meta!
New Pokémon Name: Magearna
Stat Changes: 80 / 75 / 105 / 100 / 105 / 65 | 530
Typing Changes: Rock / Fairy
Ability Changes: Clear Body / Railgunner (This Pokemon's ballistic moves have 1.3x power.)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
Fleur Cannon | Fairy | Special | 80 BP | 100% Acc | 10 BP | Bullet | If the user KOs the target, it heals for 25% of its HP.
+ Stone Edge, Rock Slide, Power Gem (now 90 BP), Meteor Beam, Stealth Rock, Rock Polish, Moonblast
- all Steel-type moves besides Flash Cannon, Iron Head, and Iron Defense, Calm Mind
What Separates it from Other Forms: slow meteor beamer with big power. could bring screwball back into the spotlight? idk
New Pokémon Name: Magearna-Overgrown
Stat Changes: 120 / 95 / 75 / 100 / 75 / 65 | 500
Typing Changes: Steel / Grass
Ability Changes: Effect Spore / Soul-Heart (If a Pokemon statuses this Pokemon, it transfers its status to the attacker.)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Power Whip, Seed Bomb, Giga Drain, Moonblast, Healing Wish, Rapid Spin
- Shift Gear, Calm Mind, Focus Blast, Fleur Cannon
What Separates it from Other Forms: fairly bulky defensive pivot that can run vest or heart swap stuff.
New Pokémon Name: Zarude
Stat Changes: 105 / 115 / 85 / 70 / 85 / 70 | 530
Typing Changes: Fighting / Poison
Ability Changes: Natual Cure / Triage
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Gunk Shot, Poison Jab, Sludge Bomb, Toxic, Swords Dance
- Darkest Lariat, Lash Out, Dark Pulse, Nasty Plot, Energy Ball, Seed Bomb, Synthesis
What Separates it from Other Forms: i sweeear this is going to be an actually good physical triage mon in pet mods (all the others are bad). with gunk shot hitting its main switchin calyrex-m and coverage for other resists in koff/rock slide, its poised to be a force to reckon with.
New Pokémon Name: Zarude-Hero
Stat Changes: 95 / 110 / 95 / 60 / 75 / 95 | 530
Typing Changes: Grass / Flying
Ability Changes: Tough Claws
Movepool Changes (If Any):
+ Fly, Bounce, Hurricane
- Darkest Lariat, Lash Out, Dark Pulse, Nasty Plot
What Separates it from Other Forms: crazy power with massive bp stabs in power whip and acrobatics if you forgo item or use a consumable one. or use fly idfk. grass flying is a pretty awful typing though so be careful.
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Pokémon Name: Magearna
Stats: 80 HP / 100 Atk / 80 Def / 105 SpA / 105 SpD / 45 Spe / 515 BST
Typing:
Abilities: Water Veil | Moxie
Movepool Changes:
+ Bullet Punch, Plasma Fists
- Aurora Beam, Ice Beam
What Separates it from Other Forms: Designed to make use of either Shift Gear or CM. 45 Speed may be initially pitiful but at +2 with max investment it outpaces the entire unboosted meta outside of Pika-Sinnoh. This combined with Moxie and Bullet Punch can make this Magearna hard to check late-game. The main downside to Shift Gear is only having access to the middling Brick Break for physical coverage (Zen exists but it would not get run unless if you rlly need to hit Toxtricity-Rockstar I guess). CM has better coverage in Focus Blast/Energy Ball and can be tough to break once it gets going while also greatly benefiting from Water Veil as this makes Magearna immune to both DoT statuses. But with Pain Split being its only recovery option it can be easily worn down through hazards and strong attacks. Besides setup, it can also pull off AV or defensive sets with Heart Swap.
Pokémon Name: Magearna-Prototype
Stats: 80 HP / 65 Atk / 95 Def / 105 SpA / 70 SpD / 100 Spe / 515 BST
Typing:
Abilities: Steam Engine | Wind-Up Key
If this Pokemon has any stat changes that are below 0, they are reset when another Pokemon faints.
+ Fire Blast, Flamethrower, Heat Wave, Mystical Fire, Overheat, Will-O-Wisp
- Aura Sphere, Aurora Beam, Focus Blast, Ice Beam, Shift Gear, Steel Beam, Steel Roller
What Separates it from Other Forms: Basically get a kill with or after Overheat/Fleur Cannon (if the latter doesn't get changed) and the stat drops will be gone. Has a cool typing and cool coverage in Energy Ball and Tbolt. Steam Engine could also be funny idk.
Pokémon Name: Zarude
Stats: 100 HP / 95 Atk / 75 Def / 60 SpA / 70 SpD / 105 Spe / 505 BST
Typing:
Abilities: Leaf Guard | Guts
Movepool Changes:
+ Defog, Gunk Shot, Knock Off, Poison Jab, Toxic, Toxic Spikes
- Close Combat, Low Kick, Superpower
What Separates it from Other Forms: Speedy Guts breaker with decent bulk, great typing and a good amount of utility. Can act as a Knock and status absorber.
Pokémon Name: Zarude-Guardian
Stats: 105 HP / 110 Atk / 110 Def / 60 SpA / 60 SpD / 60 Spe / 505 BST
Typing:
Abilities: Leaf Guard | Parental Bond
Movepool Changes:
+ Knock Off, Trop Kick
- Power Whip
What Separates it from Other Forms: Beefy tank. PBond lets it hit hard while making Trop Kick apply -2 Atk. This combined with high physical bulk, useful resists and recovery in Drain Punch/Jungle Healing makes for a strong blanket check against physical attackers. Can hold AV to patch up its SpD as well. Held back by its poor SpD (without AV) and Speed along with numerous and common weaknesses.
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New Pokémon Name: Magearna
Stat Changes: 50 HP / 75 Atk / 115 Def / 75 SpA / 115 SpD / 75 Spe [BST: 505]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Triage, Natural Cure | Sturdy (HA)
Movepool Changes (If Any):
Magearna @ 
Ability: Triage
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draining Kiss
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
Magearna @
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Volt Switch
- Fleur Cannon
Magearna @
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 128 Atk / 128 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Heart Swap
- Stored Power
- Play Rough
- Thunderbolt
Ability: Triage
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draining Kiss
- Calm Mind
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
Magearna @
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Volt Switch
- Fleur Cannon
Magearna @
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 128 Atk / 128 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Heart Swap
- Stored Power
- Play Rough
- Thunderbolt
New Pokémon Name: Magearna-Shortcake
Stat Changes: 75 HP / 95 Atk / 70 Def / 95 SpA / 105 SpD / 105 Spe [BST: 535]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Soul-Heart | Refrigerate (HA)
Magearna-Shortcake @ 
/ 
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Trick
Magearna-Shortcake @
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Quick Attack
- Iron Head
- Volt Switch
Magearna-Shortcake @
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Psycho Shift
- Facade
- Shift Gear
- Volt Switch
/ Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Trick
Magearna-Shortcake @
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- Quick Attack
- Iron Head
- Volt Switch
Magearna-Shortcake @
Ability: Refrigerate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Psycho Shift
- Facade
- Shift Gear
- Volt Switch
New Pokémon Name: Zarude-Sandstorm
Stat Changes: 100 HP / 110 Atk / 75 Def / 60 SpA / 75 SpD / 95 Spe [BST: 515]
Typing Changes:
Ability Changes: Sand Stream
Additionally summons Grassy Terrain
Zarude-Sandstorm @
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Power Whip
- Stone Edge
- Bulk Up
- Jungle Healing
Zarude-Sandstorm @ / 
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Power Whip
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- U-turn / Accelerock / Earthquake
Zarude-Sandstorm @
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Toxic
- Jungle Healing
- Power Whip
- Stealth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Power Whip
- Stone Edge
- Bulk Up
- Jungle Healing
Zarude-Sandstorm @
/ Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Power Whip
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge
- U-turn / Accelerock / Earthquake
Zarude-Sandstorm @
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Toxic
- Jungle Healing
- Power Whip
- Stealth Rock
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