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NOC Amnesiac Mafia Game 1 - N2

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Those of you who haven't claimed n0 targets need to do so. We need to solve this game asap and the no-kill last night means we now have the numbers to win if we lynch perfectly regardless of mafia's actions, I think
 
Wait what am I saying lol, brain went full dumb at the end there

It would be more accurate to say that at this stage I think we have enough results that solving the game is far easier and thus the likelihood of mislynching is far lowet
 
I'm inclined to believe Blazade and Walrein are probably both telling the truth I doubt someone would admit to targeting rssp1 on N0 if they didn't prove to themselves they weren't silencer during night 1

I still can't see how jumpluff saying I WAS HOOKED wasn't just a callout to the hooker saying to claim to have targeted someone else last night, jumpluff hasn't even attempted to justify that so I'd like to hear their explanation

internet vonFiedler can we have a publicly shared spreadsheet like in cop 5 where we can mark down everything and put down possible roles for everyone
 
You can just keep your own sheet and share it. I've one niw but can't share it on the properly.

Sam I'm not saying for reasons you're capable of figuring out yourself if you weren't busier trying to push a lynch onto me than help us solve on a day we can 99% mechanically solve

FYI you did give yourself away already if you're the Don but I still need some more info about tonight's 0 kill :)

Gn
 
In other words you have no explanation because there is no possible explanation for such a play.

I'm not pushing the lynch onto you I'm just not letting you get away with bullshit, note that I've not voted anything yet precisely because we will solve the game today.

In related news people (rssp1) need to get their shit together and claim in the order agreed upon.

Maybe you just made a horrendous mistake but I really doubt it, you're generally quite careful in NOCs and there was just no excuse for that shit; we will see soon enough if your story makes any sense, however.

How much longer is there until deadline internet I've been concerned with other shit irl but apparently no one does anything unless I force them to.

And yes I am aware personal sheets are allowed, the question was whether they could be shared publicly and it is one we do not yet have an answer to.
 
Gut instinct is that either pluff or Sam is likely don. Not sure which without more reading. Also y'all know my gut reads are Garbo like 50% of the time so
 
ill actually read and respond to things after my cousin goes to sleep (idk when, jetlag is weird), hl (mention) me if you need me to do something, give reasoning if possible so i dont need to ask and we dont waste time, tyty
 
Walrein being as lazy as possible plus that vote on Blazade was really bad earlier, he looks really bad tbh

rssp1 just fking say who you targeted N0 so we can move on and claim other results
 
Sam I literally just pulled into my garage after being at work all day

I'm gonna do an ISO of both of you I just wanted to drive home and eat first lmao

As for the vote on Blazade I will admit that was not thought through very well, hence the unvote literally a minute later
 
N0
UncleSam - Targets me
jumpluff - Targets me
Yeti - ???
Blazade - Targets rssp1
Walrein - Targets rssp1
rssp1 - Targets Sam
Flyhn - Targets Yeti
Ditto - Targets jumpluff
askaninjask - Targets Ditto

Under this framework Flyhn-Yeti is exactly PT-Watcher. I had jumpluff pegged for watcher since I thought Yeti was a really realistic N0 target for them. This also came from one of the only possible reasons I could think of for them being sure they were hooked, possibly misconstruing that the update might be different if it was OG blocked (it wouldn't be, I asked before the game).

I'm really confused by this since I'm not seeing a 3rd person target rssp1 a lot of the time and I really doubt Walrein would lie because he has no reason to do that even if he wants to vote me, so I thought rssp1 usually gets silenced by one of us being the PT.

Watcher, if you're trying to hide by lying, it's really important at this point that the info is out because if this is really the spread gives us two clears and a lot to work with when we discuss N1. If this is not true, operating under false assumptions really hurts. I'm going to bed after a long, drunk day at the Blazade family picnic.
 
aite i skimmed through this all and i caught up
it does look like this is very logic-oriented like cop5 (or whatever you called it, its the dethy variant that you guys play) but it's a really different kind of game style.
I think that there's the possibility that people may lie about their targets if they believe that they're scum, but i'm not sure if thats a risk that they'd be willing to take unless they're 100% sure that they are scum.

silencer likely knows who they are by now (unless there are multiple people who hit me + yeti) and will thus probably lie, especially if they already claimed that they targeted me n1 (blazade/walrein)
 
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Sam ISO (11 posts)

post 8 said:
Am on phone but Yeti I think that based on the OP Flyhn could still be Godfather

I think this game ought to be played like cop 5 and we should force everyone to claim their targets and results and basically just narrow down who could possibly be clean, thing is 2/3 of the mafia will tell the truth and help us without knowing it because they don't know they are mafia so I really think that it's in most peoples best interests to claim results and targets

I want people to give input on this however before we just start mass claiming stuff

reminds yeti that flyhn isn't clean, supports massclaiming of results and targets with the reminder that scum don't know who they are and will probably help on accident

nothing in this post is blatantly bad but the godfather has reason to want massclaims too, since he can figure out who's on his team and avoid killing them, so i don't find this super alignment-indicative

ignoring OG question

post 55 said:
ugh Aska while I agree with you that it seems like a logic puzzle game the problem is that we have to make sure there's enough people who agree with that perspective that we can force everyone to play that way and not let the mafia hide among paranoid villagers. You shouldn't just claim target+result without making sure that we can get everyone to do so or else risk getting lynched.

I'd like to call it for a vote: what do people think everyone ought to claim? Choices are:
Option 1: Claim all targets and results, bar none. Pros of this include that it'll be really, really hard for the mafia to fake claim and the two who don't know they are mafia probably will get caught quickly. Cons will be that the mafia will know all of our roles potentially even before we do, which could be quite bad.
Option 2: Claim only targets and results which indicate someone is mafia. Pros of this include getting good drops on who most roles are and still give us a fair bit of things to hold people to, without publicly revealing as much information or giving away nearly as many villagers. Cons involve Leaving more room for the mafia to skate by and leave some people in the dark
Option 3: Claim nothing except results which indicate someone else is mafia. Honestly I'm not even sure what the pros of this are except that maybe the mafia have a bit less information to work with, I'd like the people who have supported this idea (Blazade jumpluff) to justify it tbh because I don't see any real benefits to it

I vote for option 2 personally. I think that we should all vote on one of these three options and then, if we can get 5 or 6 people to vote for one of the non-option 3 options, we force the dissenters to go with the supermajority at risk of getting lynched.

If there's other good options bring those up as well.

I also think that most public calculation posts like Ditto's above are generally more harmful than helpful

once again espouses massclaiming, conditional of the majority of the game agreeing to it, and calls for the strongarming of any dissenters. you know, typical sam stuff

he's right in that public calculation probably helps the mafia out a bunch but it's also sort of a no-brainer thing to point out that could earn him some easy towncred and is something he'd be smart enough to say as godfather

post 58 said:
Oh I'd also like to point out that Flyhn could be lying about who he targeted, though that's an extremely unlikely scenario

Also what do people think about the possibility of a no lynch? I think I'd prefer to roll the dice and mislynch if need be to get more information out there but there's something to be said for playing this more like C5 and no lynching once or twice and then making a final determination. Personally I think I'd rather mislynch then get an extra night's worth of results but that depends partially on which option we choose to take

idk why he decided to throw shade at flyhn - he was already proven to not be the silencer. he likely wouldn't lie as hooker since he wouldn't KNOW that he's the hooker. yes he could lie as godfather but like... why? targeting n0 as godfather does nothing, just own up to it lmao

i guess overall i just don't get why he feels the need to drag flyhn, especially when you consider that he had done so as his first act of the day as well (see post 8)

the lynch stuff is whatever, logic makes sense both from town pov (in which it's exactly what he said it is) or scum pov (in which case you hope rly hard for a mayor mislynch)

ignoring the gambler's fallacy post because lol

post 89 said:
Vote No Lynch

I see no reason whatsoever to risk a mislynch at this junction
disappears for 30 posts, comes back and makes a complete 180 on his position re: the lynch

???

109 said:
I really dislike jumpluff's post, I see no reason to have claimed hook specifically (also hook vs. omniguard you can't tell so I'm not sure how jumpluff would know unless they're saying they know the omniguard as well?) unless Don is signalling to hooker 'yo don't claim to have targeted me' plus no kill makes that a pretty big possibility

I'm almost willing to lynch jumpluff just based on that tbqh but I think we should talk more about targets etc., I like Blazade's idea earlier though I'm not sure yet if I'd want all results claimed (maybe psych targets should stay hidden for another day, for example)

i want to like this post, because pluff's claim was definitely odd. problem is that godfather!sam would 100% call this out as well because he needs to make someone else look like the godfather in order to hide. silencer!sam would do this as well but i don't think sam's silencer just because blazade n0 is 100% a realistic target for sam so i don't think he's lying about that. hooker!sam knows who he is if and only if he hooked pluff himself, and unless blazade has a hooked result from n0 that he's sitting on i highly doubt it (plus blazade's statement re: knowing he's not the silencer implies that he wasn't hooked n0).

basically the callout looks protown at first glance but it's also something sam would do as godfather

moves on to support blazade's claim strategy which is fine

ignoring n0 target statement (like i said i don't think he's lying about who he targeted)

post 135 said:
I'm inclined to believe Blazade and Walrein are probably both telling the truth I doubt someone would admit to targeting rssp1 on N0 if they didn't prove to themselves they weren't silencer during night 1

I still can't see how jumpluff saying I WAS HOOKED wasn't just a callout to the hooker saying to claim to have targeted someone else last night, jumpluff hasn't even attempted to justify that so I'd like to hear their explanation

internet vonFiedler can we have a publicly shared spreadsheet like in cop 5 where we can mark down everything and put down possible roles for everyone

first sentence is a good point and something that i completely overlooked while posting at work so +1 for that

second sentence runs into the same issues i highlighted above, though i will note that given how pluff is proven Good at NOC, gunning for a straight 1v1 with them is a ballsy move for godfather!sam to make

third sentence is an idea i agree with so another +1 for that

post 138 said:
In other words you have no explanation because there is no possible explanation for such a play.

I'm not pushing the lynch onto you I'm just not letting you get away with bullshit, note that I've not voted anything yet precisely because we will solve the game today.

In related news people (rssp1) need to get their shit together and claim in the order agreed upon.

Maybe you just made a horrendous mistake but I really doubt it, you're generally quite careful in NOCs and there was just no excuse for that shit; we will see soon enough if your story makes any sense, however.

How much longer is there until deadline internet I've been concerned with other shit irl but apparently no one does anything unless I force them to.

And yes I am aware personal sheets are allowed, the question was whether they could be shared publicly and it is one we do not yet have an answer to.

pushing for d2 gamesolve is consistent both with sam's general personality and with what he's been advocating all game

the statement about not pushing the lynch onto pluff, however, is kinda bullshit, given this from earlier:
I'm almost willing to lynch jumpluff just based on that tbqh

anyways

post 142 said:
Walrein being as lazy as possible plus that vote on Blazade was really bad earlier, he looks really bad tbh

rssp1 just fking say who you targeted N0 so we can move on and claim other results

this is gonna sound OMGUSy as fuck but the callout of me is rly weird, i thought it was fairly obvious that i was posting on mobile so of course i'm not gonna immediately make a decision on who's scum and who's not, plus was my vote really THAT bad considering A. posting from mobile on a 15 minute break and B. i unvoted literally a minute later

plus you know i'm a lazy pos LOL

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overall, sam's play has been consistent with his town meta (not that he HAS a scum meta lmao), but he hasn't been consistent with himself, which IMO is the most damning thing about his play thus far. the callout of pluff is good but would also be doable from the scum POV, and the callout of me, IMO, is really bad

i'm gonna update diplo and go chill, i'll do pluff later

re: blazade's post, there's a 99% chance that the silencer is lying about their n0 target, and a 1% chance that you (or me i guess) has rly big cojones. tbh i could see you doing the balls deep play and straight up claiming rssp1 as your target and then bsing your n1 target, but based on your play otherwise i doubt it.
 
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