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NOC Amnesiac Mafia Game 1 - N2
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alright so i read that and idk sam seems fine, the only thing that strikes me as possibly being scummy in his posts is him switching from wanting a lynch to not wanting a lynch? I think that may have been because he just thought about his stance and saw the other posts (which I believe were advocating no lynch? I may have misremembered). I had something else to say but I forgot so i'm going to re-read your post
By far the strangest thing to me about UncleSam's callout of jumpluff's post is that he didn't even recognize the possible usefulness of someone claiming who was hooked. He questioned why jumpluff would claim such a thing, which implies that jumpluff claiming she was hooked did not help UncleSam determine his role in this game.
Anyone who is village is aided by knowing who was hooked last night. They learn, if they did not target jumpluff, that they are neither the hooker nor the silencer, and can determine their allegiance correctly.
This really leaves only two scenarios for someone who doesn't think knowing who was hooked is helpful. First, UncleSam could be the godfather. Second, UncleSam could have targeted jumpluff last night, which makes him very possibly the hooker.
Honestly this is enough for me to Vote UncleSam. Any villager would instinctively see the utility in knowing who was hooked, as it would have already helped them out.
Anyone who is village is aided by knowing who was hooked last night. They learn, if they did not target jumpluff, that they are neither the hooker nor the silencer, and can determine their allegiance correctly.
This really leaves only two scenarios for someone who doesn't think knowing who was hooked is helpful. First, UncleSam could be the godfather. Second, UncleSam could have targeted jumpluff last night, which makes him very possibly the hooker.
Honestly this is enough for me to Vote UncleSam. Any villager would instinctively see the utility in knowing who was hooked, as it would have already helped them out.
So I suppose I have the opposite read to Walrein here, even though Walrein seemed unsure of his own reasoning. I'm not sure how useful posts like his really are, although it does conveniently give Walrein the ability to say "hey, I made a really long post and Totally Contributed To The Discussion!"
I don't know whether I was hooked or I ran into the omniguard
Sam calling it out made me sus him but is also a reasonable pedant move. Pushing for lunch over mechanical solve is scummy on no kill m2. I would be able to figure it out knowing my n1 and then know if the hooker got the don or not unwittingly or vice versa
N1 ditto
I personally think Walrein believes jumpluff thinks she's the Omniguard, meaning that the only way she could fail is if she was hooked. I don't think he was saying that it was a conscious play. I know this doesn't really help, I kinda just want to call out Walrein.
I personally think that Blazade and UncleSam have been pretty scummy since they both kept saying to claim targets, but wouldn't themselves. UncleSam being one of the last to claim his N1. Blazade stalling to claim his N1, possibly hoping more people would post by the time he did.
I personally think that Blazade and UncleSam have been pretty scummy since they both kept saying to claim targets, but wouldn't themselves. UncleSam being one of the last to claim his N1. Blazade stalling to claim his N1, possibly hoping more people would post by the time he did.
Holy shit you're all daft
The entire reason jumpluff's post is scummy is because it is a blatant lie
jumpluff could not possibly know that they were hooked. Period. Therefore this 'information' does not help anyone figure out who they are because it is not reliable. What it does do, however, is warn anyone who targeted them last night that if they think there's a chance they could be hooker to lie about their N1 target. It's the most obvious signalling I've seen in a long fucking time.
How is this difficult to see for people. askaninjask you shouldn't ever be voting period but even if you did your conclusion makes literal zero sense. jumpluff claiming they were hooked can only help the hooker figure out who they are potentially, that is it. Me calling it out as suspicious implies only that I am apparently the only fucking person in this entire game who understands that jumpluff literally just lied about a result to everyone for no reason other than to help the mafia disguise who they are.
Like jesus this is so simple to figure out
Anyway N1 Yeti
rssp1 Walrein Blazade and anyone else who I can't remember claim N1 target now
The entire reason jumpluff's post is scummy is because it is a blatant lie
jumpluff could not possibly know that they were hooked. Period. Therefore this 'information' does not help anyone figure out who they are because it is not reliable. What it does do, however, is warn anyone who targeted them last night that if they think there's a chance they could be hooker to lie about their N1 target. It's the most obvious signalling I've seen in a long fucking time.
How is this difficult to see for people. askaninjask you shouldn't ever be voting period but even if you did your conclusion makes literal zero sense. jumpluff claiming they were hooked can only help the hooker figure out who they are potentially, that is it. Me calling it out as suspicious implies only that I am apparently the only fucking person in this entire game who understands that jumpluff literally just lied about a result to everyone for no reason other than to help the mafia disguise who they are.
Like jesus this is so simple to figure out
Anyway N1 Yeti
rssp1 Walrein Blazade and anyone else who I can't remember claim N1 target now
Ditto:
1. I wanted to make sure that before we go through N1 that N0 is correct because I want to avoid a scenario where someone could claim to be watcher that was lying if they suddenly found themselves in a scummy position because that would make things more difficult. I can see how town watcher may think it's better to hide here but I'm informing them it's not. I'm willing to take everything a little slower to make sure it's done properly, sue me.
2. Can you not see that I'm in a slightly sensitive position here where I know I'm not the silencer but the real one would have motivation to try and contradict the information that proves this? When I thought I was the silencer I had lies ready and plans to stand by them in a lot of scenarios. I'd prefer to have Walrein and/or rssp1 (preferably rssp1) commit before I do because if either is the silencer I don't want to give them anything. I'm not about to get bullied and the fact that you haven't pushed either of these guys on the same grounds isn't lost on me.
Aska's post is alright but doesn't address either my or Sam's concern with jumpluff's premature hook claim (that it informed mafia and allowed them to lie) but it's done. Not really seeing where the Sam is Don stuff is coming from outside of an attitude to push a lynch over solve the game which I definitely noticed. As I write this Sam's most recent post is good though.
1. I wanted to make sure that before we go through N1 that N0 is correct because I want to avoid a scenario where someone could claim to be watcher that was lying if they suddenly found themselves in a scummy position because that would make things more difficult. I can see how town watcher may think it's better to hide here but I'm informing them it's not. I'm willing to take everything a little slower to make sure it's done properly, sue me.
2. Can you not see that I'm in a slightly sensitive position here where I know I'm not the silencer but the real one would have motivation to try and contradict the information that proves this? When I thought I was the silencer I had lies ready and plans to stand by them in a lot of scenarios. I'd prefer to have Walrein and/or rssp1 (preferably rssp1) commit before I do because if either is the silencer I don't want to give them anything. I'm not about to get bullied and the fact that you haven't pushed either of these guys on the same grounds isn't lost on me.
Aska's post is alright but doesn't address either my or Sam's concern with jumpluff's premature hook claim (that it informed mafia and allowed them to lie) but it's done. Not really seeing where the Sam is Don stuff is coming from outside of an attitude to push a lynch over solve the game which I definitely noticed. As I write this Sam's most recent post is good though.
Psychiatrist targets jumpluff showing that she is Omniguard. After knowing this, if her action failed, then it is only possible for her to be hooked. If a Personal Trainer were to cause her to target herself, it wouldn't read as a fail because she'd still be guarding herself. Not saying that's what happened, just saying that it is possible.
They are not on the same grounds as you. In every post I've bullied you in, I've stated why you above others. This was your idea. You are trying to lead this village (As much as one can in this game), yet you're not willing to commit. The fact that you said you want "N0 to settle" seems like stalling to me. The information is out there. What you are waiting for is to figure out a pattern or something. What settling can be done besides people finding correlations? We can't edit posts. If someone says "jk I targeted this person instead" it would make them instantly look scummy. You said yourself that it doesn't look like rssp1 could've been PTed because Yeti was PTed. Why would anyone lied about targeting Yeti N0? It would make them look like the Watcher. Everything you say seems like stalling.
That being said, I wouldn't mind a N1 target from Walrein either.
didnt silencer target yeti? If so, how would them not targeting jumpluff help them know that they're not silencer?
I targeted Blazade n1
I idled
Yes I realize that's shit if I'm the psych or something but at this point I was really thinking I was silencer and I was going to feign silenced myself if everyone else posted
Btw I was kind of off about why pluff claimed hooked lol. It was partially Ditto's theory (where I thought they could be omni) and partially I thought they wanted the hooker to know they were hooker, which would almost certainly mean every Mafia knows themselves, which means we can now scumhubt reliably
Yes I realize that's shit if I'm the psych or something but at this point I was really thinking I was silencer and I was going to feign silenced myself if everyone else posted
Btw I was kind of off about why pluff claimed hooked lol. It was partially Ditto's theory (where I thought they could be omni) and partially I thought they wanted the hooker to know they were hooker, which would almost certainly mean every Mafia knows themselves, which means we can now scumhubt reliably
K cool. Ditto I'm not trying to lead I'm trying to be careful and I tend to have a firm tone. If you think those with known role pms from psych should keep quiet for now then it should make sense to you why watcher might decide to lie.
I targeted Jumpluff night 1. This is kinda out of the frying pan and into the fire for me but I think town is going to win this game and I have to believe I'm part of it. Hooked target can claim Hooked night 0 and get the hooker basically all the time because of the spread making omni blocking unlikely. I think if I'm actually the hooker then there won't be much that can protect me but in the many realistic cases where I'm not (people claiming to dodge ditto and jumpluff n1, jumpluff themself lying) it's better for me to be forward and honest.
Again the core of scumhunting is how people treat each other and the mafia not knowing each other destroys traditional methods tbh.
I'll start us off on results. Both of my actions were successful.
I targeted Jumpluff night 1. This is kinda out of the frying pan and into the fire for me but I think town is going to win this game and I have to believe I'm part of it. Hooked target can claim Hooked night 0 and get the hooker basically all the time because of the spread making omni blocking unlikely. I think if I'm actually the hooker then there won't be much that can protect me but in the many realistic cases where I'm not (people claiming to dodge ditto and jumpluff n1, jumpluff themself lying) it's better for me to be forward and honest.
Again the core of scumhunting is how people treat each other and the mafia not knowing each other destroys traditional methods tbh.
I'll start us off on results. Both of my actions were successful.
User N0 N1
UncleSam Blazade Yeti
jumpluff Blazade ??? (failed)
Yeti ??? ???
Blazade rssp1 jumpluff
Walrein rssp1 idle
rssp1 UncleSam (silenced) Blazade
Flyhn Yeti askaninjask
Ditto jumpluff Yeti
askaninjask Ditto ???
jumpluff and askaninjask have still yet to claim n1 target unless i skimmed over it somehow
i reread day 1 and at the time of flyhn claiming his target rssp1 and aska had both still yet to post, so if flyhn had targeted either of them he wouldn't know for sure if he was silencer or not and wouldn't really have had a reason to lie, so i'm like 99% sure he's telling the truth about his n0 target
i know i'm not lying about my n1 target and i don't think blazade is, so my suspicion is that silencer is lying about their n0 (and possibly their n1 as well)
blazade claiming double success means sam/pluff/rssp cannot be the hooker. i succeeded n0 so if yeti targeted me that night she isn't the hooker
if pluff got hooked then the hooker is either blazade or lying. if pluff got omniblocked then anyone who targeted pluff's target is likely the omni
remind me, is someone who got redirected by PT notified of this?
UncleSam Blazade Yeti
jumpluff Blazade ??? (failed)
Yeti ??? ???
Blazade rssp1 jumpluff
Walrein rssp1 idle
rssp1 UncleSam (silenced) Blazade
Flyhn Yeti askaninjask
Ditto jumpluff Yeti
askaninjask Ditto ???
jumpluff and askaninjask have still yet to claim n1 target unless i skimmed over it somehow
i reread day 1 and at the time of flyhn claiming his target rssp1 and aska had both still yet to post, so if flyhn had targeted either of them he wouldn't know for sure if he was silencer or not and wouldn't really have had a reason to lie, so i'm like 99% sure he's telling the truth about his n0 target
i know i'm not lying about my n1 target and i don't think blazade is, so my suspicion is that silencer is lying about their n0 (and possibly their n1 as well)
blazade claiming double success means sam/pluff/rssp cannot be the hooker. i succeeded n0 so if yeti targeted me that night she isn't the hooker
if pluff got hooked then the hooker is either blazade or lying. if pluff got omniblocked then anyone who targeted pluff's target is likely the omni
remind me, is someone who got redirected by PT notified of this?
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