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Who else could possibly be mafia here?

Haruno - can't be mafia because he protected Texas the same night as texas was targeted by knights. obviously that doesn't make sense if they are both on the same team
Earlio - probably not mafia because of aubisio's role. what use is a commuter if town has barely any useful roles eg roles that target people? The only way this makes sense is if commuter was meant to be a fake claim role which is highly possible. i dont know otherwise his content has gone downhill but he did suggest thinking knights as deep scum/feeling like he was mafia day 2 which would seem odd to setup so early on in the game. definitely still in consideration though, but with all things considered (such as the mafia cop) it's hard to see earlio as mafia.
Hitmonleet - most likely to be mafia i think. the interaction with aubisio looks really awkward too in hindsight. says a lot of strange things that proph has already brought up, but his weird insistence on handwaving away people's thoughts eg in 1940 strikes me as no good. #1880 is also oddly confident from someone who self proclaims he doesn't like putting forward confident opinions.
Jalmont - town
3P1K - all behavior points to town - in general good reads and is giving a fuck. i cant remember everything but pretty confident he's town. can reread and explain better if necessary but i probably won't.
Former Hope - i just don't see why mafia redirector attempts to redirect his teammate who then immediately afks. that seems like a pretty nonsensical course of action from the mafia point of view.
MoodyCloud - checked by ap although theoretically could still be mafia. played well this game though. same boat as epik i can reread to explain better but his pushes don't feel informed in any way.
Prophylaxis - a lot of excuses but decent analysis. i see him at odds with leet a lot tbh. the things he says are a lot more balanced and reasonable compared to leet who comes off as pretty desperate. I think mafia has a lot to gain trying to push a mislynch on me and it's one of the only ways they win. I don't really see how proph intends to vote his way to the end assuming he's mafia without leaving me open as an option.

so it has to be leet i think.

You literally tell me to be more confident, and then lockscum me when I take your advice? What the heck, man. And then, of course, he proceeds to take potshots at me throughout the rest of the readslist.

OK yeah, Hitmonleet is probably just the last scum and I'm just way overthinking it.

If he isn't scum we come back tomorrow and the game goes to Hard Mode but him being vanilla makes sense when the rolecop is a thing because it gives a false positive as opposed to all the scum being outed by it.

Vote Hitmonleet (L-2)

Hitmonleet if you're town please leave a legacy, you are literally first on the PoE and that is why you are being suspected. You're lynching Jalmont but you aren't explaining why Jalmont's actions are indicative of a mafia mindset



You're ignoring that Haruno claimed doc and he blocked the Texas NK when Knights tried to kill him.



This feels like you're trying to line up mislynches and figure out optimal path to victory here

Haruno is doc, Moody is rolecop checked Tree Stump, I'm pretty obvious town

I'm lynching him because I've been trying throughout the day for him to actually answer my question as to why he was messing around with a fake persuade. It makes little sense if Jalmont is town from my PoV, so without an actual, logical explanation, I'm forced to consider him scum to explain why he was "persuading." If he'd actually answer the question instead of flat out ignoring it, then I would have no reason to consider him scum.

You're ignoring the fact that scum can easily fake a "doc protect" if they control the kill. Furthermore, Knights had another ability he could have been using instead. Or, yknow, the watcher was scum. Nobody seems to be considering all the options. That's why I'm thinking we should still suspect the seeming "lock town". Town is way too easily screwed up if they don't consider everything with a grain of salt (US and Blazade in Dead II, I in College, the list goes on and on and on and on. If we don't reconsider things, then we'll easily be led from mislynch to mislynch to mislynch to loss.

just feels like hitmonleet is trying to EXPAND the poe instead of trying to shrink it

if he's town then.. game becomes substantially more difficult. but i think game ends with the leet lynch

It is substantially more difficult already with you refusing to look at things with even an ounce of suspicion or paranoia.

One last thing, don't understand why he's been so angry this game

If he's actually town here, then he replaced in and then three scum have been lynched in a row. Any town replacing into that situation would be FRICKIN HYPED.

But instead he's been complaining/ranting for most of the game about not being listened to, which.. is true in a way, but the reason why he's being lynched is because he is first rung up in the PoE and hasn't made significant strides to distinguish himself a part from that

i think the mindset dissonance is worth noting though.

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Also sorry if any of my posts have gone over the line Hitmonleet, I'm not trying to ignore you, I just think that you're the last scum because PoE and behavior

It's fine man, I'm just angry because most people are just absolutely ignoring me. I try to contribute, try to field ideas, try to actually develop discussion and my reads, and basically everyone's response is "lol leet isn't contributing". I ask questions, and they normally go unanswered. Outside of you, everyone else has just said "Lynch Leet" and have it be that. I practically have to harass them to get so much as an explanation. I've found that being all pissed off and aggressive seems to be the only way anyone even hears what I'm saying.

I'm probably getting lynched to clear out PoE anyways, but if you would: Reread your reads, and throw out your manic misconceptions of "guaranteed town" or "cleared". Make frank reads and don't assume anything. If we just let the seemingly town scum slip by with no opposition or suspicion, it'll just be disappointing as to how badly we're screwed over.
 
Ok, tell us who you think in Epik / FH / Proph / Jalmont / Earlio would be the last scum and why then instead of trying to induce paranoia about Haruno

Probably Earlio tbh (I still want Jalmont to actually answer my question). He has the least evidence supporting his being town. On the other hand, Jalmont has the whole persuade shenanigans, which makes little sense as Town (and iirc he did claim that it was x-shot, which is very strange imo, considering all town PRs have flipped XShot).
 
OK let's throw down a quick unvote.

As much as everything lines up with Leet scum, his posts are making me reconsider. I want to spend like a good solid chunk of time today thinking about worlds where Leet is town.

The thing that's rubbing me off the wrong way though (but understandable if you consider his perspective, I feel) is: How the heck are we supposed to scumhunt if we don't narrow things down? Considering all the possibilities just widens the PoE and makes it so that the last scum actually has an an avenue to victory if we keep lynching confirmed town.
 
Hitmonleet said:
You're ignoring the fact that scum can easily fake a "doc protect" if they control the kill.
You think that for ships and giggles, Haruno as the mafia roleblocker roleblocked Knights who was trying to neighborize Texas, and didn't perform the kill that night?

Hitmonleet said:
Furthermore, Knights had another ability he could have been using instead.
He only has a neighborize and a kill dude. What other abilities can he have? This isn't a bastard game.

Hitmonleet said:
Or, yknow, the watcher was scum.
The flipped watcher being town is scum???? Talk me through your thought process here.
 
Hitmonleet tell me:

If you had to lock clear 5 players right now, who would you pick and why (including yourself, so that's 4 from your POV I guess). One simple way we can win this game is ignoring who the scum is and then trying to find 5 town so I want to hear your thoughts regarding this matter.
 
You think that for ships and giggles, Haruno as the mafia roleblocker roleblocked Knights who was trying to neighborize Texas, and didn't perform the kill that night?

He only has a neighborize and a kill dude. What other abilities can he have? This isn't a bastard game.

The flipped watcher being town is scum???? Talk me through your thought process here.

I mean, it's absolutely something he'd do, tbh. Though it does, frankly, seem absurd, this is a haruno type of thing. I find it unlikely, but it's still possible, which was the point.

I meant that it could have been a blocked neighborize from, i.e. a safeguard.

That was me screwing up and misremembering things.

Hitmonleet tell me:

If you had to lock clear 5 players right now, who would you pick and why (including yourself, so that's 4 from your POV I guess). One simple way we can win this game is ignoring who the scum is and then trying to find 5 town so I want to hear your thoughts regarding this matter.

lock clear? After a quick reread:

Me - is me.

Moody - I feel really uncomfortable about how he's playing, but he does have the whole tree stump role confirmation, which, tbh, doesn't make much sense for mafia (though they do have a neighborizer, but that'd actually have a believable use).

Haruno - Once again, he's playing scummy af, but the facts don't really lie. He could be mafia, though, and if the remaining PoE collapses, He'd be the first one I'd go after.

Proph - He's a mass town read, he's actually looking at the crap that I'm spouting, he's making the whole analyses and mass reads, etc. Overall, I can't really find anything suspicious from him.

3P1K - This is a really gut read, tbh, but out of the remaining 4 players, I want to say he's most towny out of all of them. I don't remember anything that sus coming from him, and I've liked quite a few of his thoughts.

Thus, a PoE of Jalmont/Earlio/FH is born, it seems.
 
Sorry my activity is assbags today, haven’t really been to my computer. I targeted moody tonight and was told they were hit with nothing. I have infinite shots. Also I’m a low hanging fruit for leet to vote for, and wasn’t leet on Aubisio’s “these people are town” list? Seems like the right vote unless he was cleared somehow and I don’t remember
 
note: asek was on moodycloud and only one to be on him
hey you tried !

Twin reads like a honey badger. I'm feeling more confident in my initial read. Bumping him up from Townlean to Town.

The interaction between Hal and Whydon reads weird. Hal isn't doing much different from his previous Town D1 and Whydon is just kinda heckling him over it.

Interaction between Jalmont and Moody reminds me of the pulling teeth aspect that I've experienced interacting with Moody's Towngame before. Leaning Town on him.

Aubisio singling out one of Asek's interactions and ignoring the others pings my scumdar.
Knights distancing from Aubisio here

Jalmont's play has seemed a bit erratic d1 but in a way that could pass as prodding for reads and activity so I was hesitant and kind of leaned town on him, but if I'm correct in assuming that yesterday's top two wagons were town then this post does not bode well.

The part about not wanting to lynch haruno/durza when Jalmont was the one who started the Haruno policy lynch discussion in the first place and when blazade/tballz wagons looked opportunistic at best, and a nonsensical way to not lynch people who we'd have to lynch at some point due to them being tree stumps, at worst, reads especially weird. If whydon flips town I'll be taking a long hard look at Jalmont.
forgot to take said long hard look at Jalmont for having 3 town in his d1 lynch pool

i’ve had the week from hell moving sorry i wasn’t here for deadline i don’t have wifi posting from phone i’ll go through the thread and post properly later but tbz wasn’t scummy and i still think blazade is Vote Blazade i’m also sad scum didn’t target me last night but w/e i tried x
so what was the deal with Hawkie inviting scum to target him if he was vt

Blazade is still suspicious from yesterday, also he somewhat evaded the lynch.

I kinda wanna policy Haruno, but they seem to be playing better, if they are active

Jalmont is being weird instead of rational, which is unusual

Whydon whatcha think about stuff
Aubisio has Jalmont in his d2 lynch pool
 
Funny that this is animal mafia, because sheeps are animals too n_n
Reitterating 3 previously states reads then redirecting attention off yourself with a question isnt a good way to get yourself townread~~
Gonna look a little bit closer at this slot brb
for now though lynch aubisio

3P1K is posting meaningless fluff so far about the the persuade, gonna read what they did D1 when I get off mobile. I have reason to believe Aubisio is actually persuaded, from what I’ve seen so far this game seems decently role-heavy (perhaps no true vanillas?) and I could see a mafia (or town lmao) persuade being in this game in spite of its pointlessness. I’m not quite up to speed on the whole Blazade issue (gonna read up) but aubisio’s other reads seem awfully low hanging with the easy Haruno target and calling out Jalmont when I’ve seen him play much more idly and “irrational” before as town. Could be some sort of scum play to make aubisio look town via a persuade
Lynch Aubisio

I’ll look over other ppl later and also where the fuck is Durza
so if any of those 2 are mafia that'd mean their team decided to bus Aubisio early into d2
 
What the fuck is with this aubisio "meh I'll let my RVS slowly turn into an actual scumread out of laziness while I retroactively give reasons" mentality?

unvote haruno that's as much use as I'm gonna get out of that.

vote aubisio what about my reaction put you off and why didn't you go into it at the time?
this slot too
 
what do you think of this post Hitmonleet ?

Hmmm

It could have been an early distancing attempt? It definitely wasn't a bus, considering how early it was. The reasoning is slightly weak, but developed enough it might be an attempt for an actual slot.
Sorry my activity is assbags today, haven’t really been to my computer. I targeted moody tonight and was told they were hit with nothing. I have infinite shots. Also I’m a low hanging fruit for leet to vote for, and wasn’t leet on Aubisio’s “these people are town” list? Seems like the right vote unless he was cleared somehow and I don’t remember
This bugs me for multiple reasons: The hypocrisy of "low-hanging fruit", the lack of suspecting 3P1K, the infinite shots which is so far unprecedented for town...

Yeah no I'd prefer to see more than that if you're trying to get me lynched. Unvote Lynch Earlio.
 
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