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Ask a Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer: Monotype Edition
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This is the most recent discussion of type bans, which might be what you're talking about? There was a decent amount of discussion from both sides here, so it's probably a good place to start if you want to see the reasons for or against type bans. http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/oras-monotype-discussion.3544507/page-67#post-6911700
While of course there's no way to know for a fact that type bans will never ever be a thing again, I wouldn't hold my breath. It's against our current tiering philosophy, so unless there is a huge revamp of both our leadership and our philosophy, it's probably not going to happen. I can say with certainty that, for the Mega Medicham suspect, a type ban is definitely not in the realm of possibility.
If you want to discuss type bans in more detail, that would probably be beyond the scope of this thread (can't really give a simple answer!). Feel free to PM me, though, if you see me on Showdown (username: Eien) and I'd be happy to talk about it more with you.
The Viability Rankings is a great place to check whether a Pokemon is viable or not. To answer your question, Rotom is not good on Ghost.
what are other ways i can contribute to monotype bc we all know that writing analyses isnt for me
You can:
- Make thoughtful posts in the metagame discussion thread when it re-opens after the mega-medicham suspect.
- Submit samples to the monotype samples thread.
- Submit to the creative sets or good cores threads.
- Participate in the multiple on-going forum projects.
- Be generally helpful in the monotype room on pokemon showdown.
Only officials tiers are allowed in B101, but there are plans to make a Monotype tutoring program after MPL III in the Monotype subforum.
Is Trick Room Steel viable? I was looking at the Trick Room Magearna set and contemplating this, and I figured that it might work out considering that Steel is bulky enough that if you assume you're slower than everything else, it still works out.
So, I thought to myself, it couldn't hurt to try Trick Room Steel with Magearna and Jirachi as setters, and probably min speed Bisharp, Doublade, who knows. My guess is that it would be viable considering Steel's bulk even with speed-invested EVs, so without them, who knows what could happen; plus, STAB Gyro Ball.
But, I wasn't sure if anyone has tried it or faced it before, so... what do you guys think?
So, I thought to myself, it couldn't hurt to try Trick Room Steel with Magearna and Jirachi as setters, and probably min speed Bisharp, Doublade, who knows. My guess is that it would be viable considering Steel's bulk even with speed-invested EVs, so without them, who knows what could happen; plus, STAB Gyro Ball.
But, I wasn't sure if anyone has tried it or faced it before, so... what do you guys think?
Ehh seems pretty solid. Use choice handed ferrothorn lol
I've got my own question: Why did Dhelmise drop to C on Ghost?
As far as I know, TR steel was much better early last gen when mega mawile was a thing. As of now, I haven't tried it but it sounds pretty bad on paper.
That said, OTR magearna is a threat:
Magearna @ Fairium Z
Ability: Soul-Heart
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 236 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Fleur Cannon
- Thunderbolt
- Aura Sphere
This is not the place to ask that, PM Vid or Eien (or zarif but he's a monkey) on PS or here.
No. It's a gimmick I've personally played a lot with for fun, but it, like most other Trick Room teams in Monotype, fails to be better than its alternatives. The opportunity cost of sacrificing teamslots and sets to accommodate such a difficult-to-pull-off strategy that isn't even particularly effective just doesn't work. There just doesn't seem to be much of a reason to use it over a more standard hyper offense team.
However, if you seriously want to use it, then here's a general starter template you can build off and experiment with:
Entry Hazards (Suicide Lead Skarmory)
Trick Room Setter (Jirachi, Bronzong)
Sweeper (Magearna)
Wallbreaker (Choice Specs Heatran)
Speed Control (Choice Scarf Excadrill)
Utility (Celesteela, Mega Scizor, Bisharp)
theuntalented oops sorry missed your question. Dhelmise simply doesn't compete with other B ranks. Golurk opens up SD Alolan Marowak, Hoopa is perhaps the best wallbreaker, Sableye is the best stallbreaker, Chandelure is a consistent Choice Scarf user, of which Ghost has few, and Doublade is a nice physical sweeper. Dhelmise fits much better in with the more niche picks of Cofagrigrus, which only works on TR, Decidueye, which has a rare use of Defog, and Froslass, which can use Spikes.
Hello good people. I just have a question for monotype Water. I am one of the gym leader tryouts in some facebook page, and i would like any suggestions on building a viable Singles AND a Doubles team. Enough to pose a real challenge, not necessarily to like focus on beating every challenger XD Also some of us gym tryouts do battle each other a lot for fun and the assigned leaders use their gym team to test out tryouts :)
Here are my BR Waters:
-Pelipper
-Greninja
-Ash Greninja
-Mantine
-Slowbro
-Wishiwashi
-Tapu Fini
-Swampert
-Milotic
-Rotom-Wash
-Toxapex
-Suicune
-Mega Sharpedo
-Gastrodon
-Sap Sipper Azumarill
-Pyukumuku
-Golisopod
-Araquanid
-Barbaracle
-Volt Absorb Lanturn
-Empoleon ((Non-Stealth Rock))
Any help would be appreciated, thank you in advance :)
Here are my BR Waters:
-Pelipper
-Greninja
-Ash Greninja
-Mantine
-Slowbro
-Wishiwashi
-Tapu Fini
-Swampert
-Milotic
-Rotom-Wash
-Toxapex
-Suicune
-Mega Sharpedo
-Gastrodon
-Sap Sipper Azumarill
-Pyukumuku
-Golisopod
-Araquanid
-Barbaracle
-Volt Absorb Lanturn
-Empoleon ((Non-Stealth Rock))
Any help would be appreciated, thank you in advance :)
You'll want to check out our Viability Rankings for help in building your Singles Water team. I'd also note that Ash-Greninja is banned from Monotype and may not be used. If you want a somewhat workable team, you could try something like: Greninja / Swampert / Toxapex / Tapu Fini / Mega Sharpedo / Suicune. You lack some critical Pokemon options that would make it much better, though, such as Keldeo and Gyarados.
With regards to a Monotype Doubles team, you should check out our OM Megathread, which includes a Water sample team. While it does have Pokemon you don't, you can use some substitutions to make it work anyway.
Oh, that's almost similar to one of my team drafts :)
Well, i do have a Gyarados but it still needs some more work, and my Keldeo isn't BR XD
Will do. Thank you for your help! ^_^
Ice and Rock are extremely hard for new players to pick up. I would say Fairy and Steel are easiest to pickup because of their defined team structure.
ice rock and ghost are all quite bad, i would put fighting close to that too but galladite just got announced and that will heavily shake things up. best place to start is balance flying or psychic, or fairy
Hey guys I was wondering why some types are considered "bad" and can't be used in arguments that deal with bans. I've heard the argument that a type would still be bad even if [insert mon here] is banned but aren't we supposed to judge the meta as it exists now and not making theories about the future?
Moved this post. That thread's more metagame discussion and this is more of a SQSA anyway.
"X type that Y Pokemon beats is bad, therefore Y isn't banworthy" very well may be theorymonning and not a legitimate argument if it's not supported properly. However, when it's properly supported, it's very much acceptable if it's actually true. "Bad" types do have a place in the tiering discussion, so it's not that they can't be used. It is very important to make sure that the type in question isn't so bad that it's almost irrelevant to the topic, though.
One use of this argument would be if the ban argument appeals to "2. Ban elements of the metagame that are broken, uncompetitive, or unhealthy." and claims that Y is broken because it beats X. That means that the Pokemon in question is too good in comparison to the rest of the metagame. If you say Y beats X, but 90% of the metagame also easily beats X, then Y beating X is not proof that it's too good in comparison to the rest of the metagame. Its performance is just as good, which isn't enough.
If the claim is that Y is banworthy because it beats A, B, and C types, then we want to consider whether this would add or subtract from the metagame. The logic is laid out here:
If types A, B, or C are bad, then it's only going to subtract from the metagame if we ban a so-called problem. Therefore, it is necessary to take into account whether the types are of value or not specifically for this argument.
As another example, if by banning Mega Sableye in ORAS we nerfed Ghost, that would not be considered a net loss to the metagame. The loss of Mega Sableye on Dark benefited the metagame as a whole, while nerfing a 0.7% usage type is almost not even a loss to begin with. As a result, worse types just simply matter less to the metagame because they are less relevant to the metagame. The argument for banning Mega Sableye did include types like Electric, Poison, and Grass, which are all "bad" types in ORAS. As you can see, this issue is very specific to individual discussions and just saying "N type is bad" is not necessarily valuable or not valuable to any one tiering discussion.