Ubers is back baby, with a remake of the games that gave birth to a lot of the modern Ubers community! With Team Preview, certain unavailable Pokemon (not anymore!), and different mechanics, this metagame won't be your father's DPP Ubers!
Resources
Viability Rankings
Sample Teams
Rules
Clauses
Even Gen 4 Ubers had its clauses to take into account. Here are the clauses currently in BDSP Ubers.
Bans
Baton Pass is banned from BDSP Ubers as of 11/29/2021.
Unavailable Pokémon / abilities
Thanks to the last HOME update and the various events, everyone is now available and Ramanas Park Pokémon aren't locked in Hidden Abilties anymore! Hooray!
Mechanics
Unlike Gen 4 Ubers, BDSP Ubers generally follows SwSh mechanics with a few exceptions. This means:
Unlike most other BDSP metagames, Ubers has some normally banned Pokemon allowed to roam amuck! Since it's early days, a lot of what's here could change drastically, but let's take a short look at each of the available Ubers, to help get us familiar with the metagame more quickly.
I feel the need to bring up an old Ubers adage though: A Pokemon's tier placement DOES NOT affect its viability in Ubers, so don't be afraid to deviate from the Ubers list if your team needs it!
Kyogre
The classic king of Ubers returns, and it could be a bigger threat than ever! With Latias and Latios losing their incredible Soul Dew boosts from gen 4, Kyogre has even LESS checks than normal! Kyogre is likely to be the most powerful choice attacker in the game, with Choice Specs Water Spout being even too much for Blissey to handle at full power, and Choice Scarf being a good revenge killer. Kyogre is also fully capable of bulkier Calm Mind sets, if needed.
Also remember, Kyogre being allowed means Drizzle is allowed too! Palkia is the obvious partner to abuse the rain, but Pokemon such as Kingdra may be viable too!
Groudon
The other lord of the weather is unlikely to be a joke either. While Groudon doesn't have anything as spamable as Water moves in the rain, it does have access to Precipice Blades unlike gen 4, and getting rid of the rain itself is always a useful feature. Groudon is also one of the bulkiest avaliable options for setting Stealth Rock, only being rivaled by Dialga, and Groudon boasts far more physical bulk than Dialga.
Groudon doesn't just have to be a bulky Stealth Rock setter of course. It also has access to Swords Dance and Rock Polish, so Groudon is more than capable of sweeping if needed! Groudon's sun setting could also give rise to some potential sun abusers as partners, such as Blaziken.
Rayquaza
Rayquaza was already known to be a fearsomely diverse sweeper back in Gen 4, but BDSP gave Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which means Rayquaza now has an extremely powerful STAB that doesn't lock itself in! This might make Rayquaza even more troublesome than usual, making it a fine win condition to consider for your team! Offensively, Rayquaza has access to both Swords Dance and Dragon Dance, which often quite a different set of revenge killers to handle, and Rayquaza is fully capable of going mixed with Draco Meteor to deal massive damage to physically defensive Pokemon like Groudon without a boost.
Of course, Rayquaza does have a quandary to consider: Extreme Speed, or more coverage. This was a classic issue for Dragon Dance sets in particular. You'll have to consider what's a bigger threat for your team: revenge killers, or certain defensive Pokemon.
Dialga
Dialga was notorious for being an extremely diverse threat in gen 4 Ubers, having no less than 7 SETS on the gen 4 dex! While Dialga unfortunately lost access to Outrage (meaning the already niche Choice Band set is likely to no longer be viable), Dialga still has a vast array of tools available. Most prominently, Dialga is a great bulky offensive option for setting up Stealth Rock, but Dialga is more than capable of using Choice Specs and Choice Scarf to bust through bulky Pokemon and revenge kill fast ones respectively. Finally, while losing Outrage does make the fight against Blissey tougher, Dialga actually has a high enough Attack stat that with an offensive item, it is actually capable of 2HKOing Blissey with Brick Break of all things, just like DP Ubers!
Palkia
Palkia is one of the best offensive options for switching into Water Spout around, especially with Latias and Latios being seriously nerfed compared to gen 4. Palkia sits at a 100 base Speed tier, which while not incredible on paper, outspeeds the vast majority of threats in the Ubers metagame, which may make it rather difficult to revenge kill without a Choice Scarf (or really fast dragon like Garchomp or Latios).
When it comes to offensive options, Palkia is obviously super dangerous in the rain, but Palkia also has access to Fire-type attacks, making it quite adaptable to weather changes compared to Kyogre. While Choiced sets are an obvious option for Palkia (with Choice Scarf in particular outspeeding Dragon Dance Rayquaza), remember that Palkia has a rather impressive Attack stat as well, so Aqua Tail in the rain will easily bust through Blissey! Unfortunately, with the loss of Outrage though, Palkia will need rain support to pull this off, unless it wants to use Brick Break like Dialga...
Giratina
Giratina's big niche in gen 4 was it's ability to block Rapid Spin. With Defog getting rid of hazards now, it did unfortunately lose a big part of what made it special. That being said, Giratina's insane bulk is hard to deny, and it does have access to Defog itself, so it could be an effective way to remove hazards on stallier teams. Giratina is also by far the bulkiest user of Will-O-Wisp around, and it gets Roar too if you want to phaze. While most players may remember Giratina for its physical bulk, remember that if you use it specially defensive, it's actually bulky enough to survive 2 Choice Specs Water Spouts from Kyogre with Leftovers!
Giratina-Origin
While Giratina-O may have lost its spin blocking niche, what's still around is that Giratina-O is a very bulky offensive Pokemon! Giratina-O does unfortunately lose Outrage, but on the special side, Giratina-O is relatively untouched, still being fully capable of running specially offensive and mixed offensive sets. Giratina-O also has access to useful utility options such as Will-O-Wisp and Defog, and the bulk to fully take advantage of them!
Lugia
Something that may seem shocking to some newer Uber players, is that Lugia used to be considered a defensive staple. With a lot of stuff Lugia dislikes being gone such as Dusk Mane Necrozma and Calyrex-S, This may be the metagame for Lugia to shine once again! Lugia has access to Defog, and unlike SwSh Ubers, its likely it can outlast most users of Stealth Rock on the battlefield. Lugia can also take advantage of Stealth Rock itself thanks to Whirlwind.
While losing Toxic will sting for outstalling certain Pokemon (and make Pokemon such as Kyogre even more threatening), Lugia will ironically love that few Pokemon can run Toxic anymore in general! Multiscale will at least reward keeping Stealth Rock off the field with the ability to effectively check sweepers such as Rayquaza.
Ho-Oh
Ho-Oh finally having Regenerator in a Gen 4-like metagame may seem like a dream come true, but there is unfortunately a huge catch: Ho-Oh lost access to Brave Bird, which is a real bummer for more offensive sets that will want to slam Kyogre as hard as possible (granted, it still has Earthquake at least). That being said, Ho-Oh still has Defog, and with less Toxic going around, Ho-Oh could last a while even with the unfortunate Stealth Rock weakness.
Mewtwo
Unlike SwSh, Mewtwo was known to be an incredibly dangerous threat in Gen 4 Ubers. In BDSP, this could continue to be the case, as Mewtwo is by far one of the fastest and most powerful threats in the metagame! Most of all though, Mewtwo retains Psystrike and Nasty Plot, making it an incredibly powerful mixed sweeper, being able to hit Kyogre particularly hard with it!
It's hard to say exactly what shape Mewtwo will take, considering how diverse it was in gen 4 Ubers. It's unlikely stall sets will return with Pressure being unobtainable, losing Trick hurts choice sets, and Slefdestruct being nerfed compared to Gen 4 means Mewtwo won't be able to take out almost any threat in the game in one shot, but thankfully, Offensive sets seem like they could be fairly intact. Psystrike and Nasty Plot could make Life Orb offensive sets even more dangerous than it used to be, and remember that with Mewtwo learning Taunt, Nasty Plot and bulkier Calm Mind sets could effectively take advantage of passive Defoggers such as Lugia and Giratina!
Resources
Viability Rankings
Sample Teams
Rules
Clauses
Even Gen 4 Ubers had its clauses to take into account. Here are the clauses currently in BDSP Ubers.
- Endless Battle Clause
- Evasion Moves Clause
- OHKO Clause
- Sleep Clause Mod
- Species Clause
Bans
Baton Pass is banned from BDSP Ubers as of 11/29/2021.
Unavailable Pokémon / abilities
Thanks to the last HOME update and the various events, everyone is now available and Ramanas Park Pokémon aren't locked in Hidden Abilties anymore! Hooray!
Mechanics
Unlike Gen 4 Ubers, BDSP Ubers generally follows SwSh mechanics with a few exceptions. This means:
- Team Preview is a thing (so don't expect the crazy Ubers lead metagame to come back!)
- Unlike Gen 4, Hidden Abilities are a thing! Thanks to Ability Patch, all Pokemon are currently able to access their Hidden Abilities.
- Fairy-type is actually in, granted, with few super relevant Pokemon most-likely.
- With the exception of Roseli Berry and Fairy Plate, items beyond Gen 4 are not obtainable
Unlike most other BDSP metagames, Ubers has some normally banned Pokemon allowed to roam amuck! Since it's early days, a lot of what's here could change drastically, but let's take a short look at each of the available Ubers, to help get us familiar with the metagame more quickly.
I feel the need to bring up an old Ubers adage though: A Pokemon's tier placement DOES NOT affect its viability in Ubers, so don't be afraid to deviate from the Ubers list if your team needs it!
Kyogre
The classic king of Ubers returns, and it could be a bigger threat than ever! With Latias and Latios losing their incredible Soul Dew boosts from gen 4, Kyogre has even LESS checks than normal! Kyogre is likely to be the most powerful choice attacker in the game, with Choice Specs Water Spout being even too much for Blissey to handle at full power, and Choice Scarf being a good revenge killer. Kyogre is also fully capable of bulkier Calm Mind sets, if needed.
Also remember, Kyogre being allowed means Drizzle is allowed too! Palkia is the obvious partner to abuse the rain, but Pokemon such as Kingdra may be viable too!
Groudon
The other lord of the weather is unlikely to be a joke either. While Groudon doesn't have anything as spamable as Water moves in the rain, it does have access to Precipice Blades unlike gen 4, and getting rid of the rain itself is always a useful feature. Groudon is also one of the bulkiest avaliable options for setting Stealth Rock, only being rivaled by Dialga, and Groudon boasts far more physical bulk than Dialga.
Groudon doesn't just have to be a bulky Stealth Rock setter of course. It also has access to Swords Dance and Rock Polish, so Groudon is more than capable of sweeping if needed! Groudon's sun setting could also give rise to some potential sun abusers as partners, such as Blaziken.
Rayquaza
Rayquaza was already known to be a fearsomely diverse sweeper back in Gen 4, but BDSP gave Rayquaza Dragon Ascent, which means Rayquaza now has an extremely powerful STAB that doesn't lock itself in! This might make Rayquaza even more troublesome than usual, making it a fine win condition to consider for your team! Offensively, Rayquaza has access to both Swords Dance and Dragon Dance, which often quite a different set of revenge killers to handle, and Rayquaza is fully capable of going mixed with Draco Meteor to deal massive damage to physically defensive Pokemon like Groudon without a boost.
Of course, Rayquaza does have a quandary to consider: Extreme Speed, or more coverage. This was a classic issue for Dragon Dance sets in particular. You'll have to consider what's a bigger threat for your team: revenge killers, or certain defensive Pokemon.
Dialga
Dialga was notorious for being an extremely diverse threat in gen 4 Ubers, having no less than 7 SETS on the gen 4 dex! While Dialga unfortunately lost access to Outrage (meaning the already niche Choice Band set is likely to no longer be viable), Dialga still has a vast array of tools available. Most prominently, Dialga is a great bulky offensive option for setting up Stealth Rock, but Dialga is more than capable of using Choice Specs and Choice Scarf to bust through bulky Pokemon and revenge kill fast ones respectively. Finally, while losing Outrage does make the fight against Blissey tougher, Dialga actually has a high enough Attack stat that with an offensive item, it is actually capable of 2HKOing Blissey with Brick Break of all things, just like DP Ubers!
Palkia
Palkia is one of the best offensive options for switching into Water Spout around, especially with Latias and Latios being seriously nerfed compared to gen 4. Palkia sits at a 100 base Speed tier, which while not incredible on paper, outspeeds the vast majority of threats in the Ubers metagame, which may make it rather difficult to revenge kill without a Choice Scarf (or really fast dragon like Garchomp or Latios).
When it comes to offensive options, Palkia is obviously super dangerous in the rain, but Palkia also has access to Fire-type attacks, making it quite adaptable to weather changes compared to Kyogre. While Choiced sets are an obvious option for Palkia (with Choice Scarf in particular outspeeding Dragon Dance Rayquaza), remember that Palkia has a rather impressive Attack stat as well, so Aqua Tail in the rain will easily bust through Blissey! Unfortunately, with the loss of Outrage though, Palkia will need rain support to pull this off, unless it wants to use Brick Break like Dialga...
Giratina
Giratina's big niche in gen 4 was it's ability to block Rapid Spin. With Defog getting rid of hazards now, it did unfortunately lose a big part of what made it special. That being said, Giratina's insane bulk is hard to deny, and it does have access to Defog itself, so it could be an effective way to remove hazards on stallier teams. Giratina is also by far the bulkiest user of Will-O-Wisp around, and it gets Roar too if you want to phaze. While most players may remember Giratina for its physical bulk, remember that if you use it specially defensive, it's actually bulky enough to survive 2 Choice Specs Water Spouts from Kyogre with Leftovers!
Giratina-Origin
While Giratina-O may have lost its spin blocking niche, what's still around is that Giratina-O is a very bulky offensive Pokemon! Giratina-O does unfortunately lose Outrage, but on the special side, Giratina-O is relatively untouched, still being fully capable of running specially offensive and mixed offensive sets. Giratina-O also has access to useful utility options such as Will-O-Wisp and Defog, and the bulk to fully take advantage of them!
Lugia
Something that may seem shocking to some newer Uber players, is that Lugia used to be considered a defensive staple. With a lot of stuff Lugia dislikes being gone such as Dusk Mane Necrozma and Calyrex-S, This may be the metagame for Lugia to shine once again! Lugia has access to Defog, and unlike SwSh Ubers, its likely it can outlast most users of Stealth Rock on the battlefield. Lugia can also take advantage of Stealth Rock itself thanks to Whirlwind.
While losing Toxic will sting for outstalling certain Pokemon (and make Pokemon such as Kyogre even more threatening), Lugia will ironically love that few Pokemon can run Toxic anymore in general! Multiscale will at least reward keeping Stealth Rock off the field with the ability to effectively check sweepers such as Rayquaza.
Ho-Oh
Ho-Oh finally having Regenerator in a Gen 4-like metagame may seem like a dream come true, but there is unfortunately a huge catch: Ho-Oh lost access to Brave Bird, which is a real bummer for more offensive sets that will want to slam Kyogre as hard as possible (granted, it still has Earthquake at least). That being said, Ho-Oh still has Defog, and with less Toxic going around, Ho-Oh could last a while even with the unfortunate Stealth Rock weakness.
Mewtwo
Unlike SwSh, Mewtwo was known to be an incredibly dangerous threat in Gen 4 Ubers. In BDSP, this could continue to be the case, as Mewtwo is by far one of the fastest and most powerful threats in the metagame! Most of all though, Mewtwo retains Psystrike and Nasty Plot, making it an incredibly powerful mixed sweeper, being able to hit Kyogre particularly hard with it!
It's hard to say exactly what shape Mewtwo will take, considering how diverse it was in gen 4 Ubers. It's unlikely stall sets will return with Pressure being unobtainable, losing Trick hurts choice sets, and Slefdestruct being nerfed compared to Gen 4 means Mewtwo won't be able to take out almost any threat in the game in one shot, but thankfully, Offensive sets seem like they could be fairly intact. Psystrike and Nasty Plot could make Life Orb offensive sets even more dangerous than it used to be, and remember that with Mewtwo learning Taunt, Nasty Plot and bulkier Calm Mind sets could effectively take advantage of passive Defoggers such as Lugia and Giratina!
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