Sweet! I'm thinking he could make an interesting revenge killer with Sucker Punch/Iron Head/Knock Off/Pursuit. The set just requires really good prediction. (Which, fortunately, is something I can boast.)
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Pokémon Bisharp
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Sweet! I'm thinking he could make an interesting revenge killer with Sucker Punch/Iron Head/Knock Off/Pursuit. The set just requires really good prediction. (Which, fortunately, is something I can boast.)
i've had a bit of success using a lo sub bisharp so far this gen. since it can hit steels for decent damage with it's dark stab now, due to the nerf. it's sd set looks hard to pull off tbh, since there are so many things that outspeed and ko it, others that outright wall it. the popularity of lando-t (from what i've noticed) is another plus, since if it happens to switch into bisharp, you get a free +2. anyways, this is the set i've been using, which works fairly well when paired with wish support and hazards support.
Bisharp (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Night Slash
- Substitute
Bisharp (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
- Night Slash
- Substitute
That is absolutely incredible. Great set. Added to OP.
Also add the fact that CB knock off is a guaranteed OHKO on defensive stance aegislash. Oh and I accidentally wrote "now that steel no longer resists ghost". That should be dark not ghost.
Stop mentioning Knock Off, it's illegal on Bisharp until Pokebank arrives in December. However, Night Slash is pretty much the exact same thing in the meantime. Bisharp does have Pursuit as an egg move, so that CB set is still attractive!
One other thing to note is that Bisharp gets some cool support options, most notably Stealth Rock as an Egg move. Until Pokebank arrives there are significantly less SR users around, and Bisharp makes a solid choice. He even gets Thunder Wave and Rock Polish if you want to get the jump on faster opponents.
Oh my bad. I only mentioned it because CB Night Slash doesn't OHKO defense stance aegislash.
The only Pokemon that breeds Stealth Rock onto Bisharp is Infernape which we currently don't have access to unless I'm forgetting something.
One thing worth noting is that thanks to new breeding mechanics, Bisharp can also get Psycho Cut onto the same set as Sucker Punch. Do you guys think that this has some merit in allowing Bisharp to keep some of his fighting-type nemeses in check, or does he not have the space to spare for it?
It's a cool idea, but honestly a STAB Iron Head only has 20 less BP and is more useful overall. Personally, I think Bisharp should always have either Sub, SD, or both, so it's hard to find a moveslot for it :/
Also, I haven't really seen many bulky fighting types (like Conkeldurr, etc.) in my experience on Pokebank, but maybe that's just me
Honestly, this is the best set Bisharp should run. LO is unnecessary, Sub eases prediction, guards against status (very helpful with Webz up) and lets him take on CC Mega Luke 1v1 if he's at +2. Also he can OHKO D-form Aeg and Genesect at +2. Hits a lefties number with the EVs, hits 197 or 198 speed to beat base 80s, and anything that EVs to beat defensive 'Tran.
Bisharp (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 84 Spd / 36 Def / 136 HP
Adamant Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Iron Head
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No :'(
Still, I can't stay too depressed, because Bisharp is my homie and he looks to be really strong this gen. I think the biggest buff was the fact that his Dark STAB isn't resisted by steels anymore - in fact, the only steels that still resist Night Slash are frail-ass Lucario, Cobalion, and other rival Bisharp, in addition to Mawile and Klefki who get dented pretty badly by Iron Head. There's almost no need to run shitty Brick Break anymore.
Just thought i'd point out that the in-game trade Bisharp is always Adamant and possibly always male so it may serve as a good starting point for breeding. I've restarted my game twice and both times I've traded for it it has had at least Perfect Attack, but that may just be luck.
I just want to add that the bisharp I got also has a perfect attack IV and adamant natured. The other IVs weren't good at all but it's something at least. Maybe the nature and attack IV are set?
I've been messing around with this.
Bisharp
Item- Focus Sash
Adamant/Jolly
252 Att/ 252 Speed 6Hp
Sucker Punch
Power Up Punch/Swords dance
Iron Head
Thunder wave/Low Sweep/Rock Tomb
Ideally you want to switch into something that is setting up (or be a lead), thunder wave it (provided it isn't electrick/Limber) . Power Up punch for that nice attack boost. Or Leg sweep if you don't feel like running Twave. Bonus if your opponent switches to intimidate or if there is Sticky webs on field. Survive with focus sash. And attack as needed.
Not sure if that was a standard set. The Adamant version has given me some victories over the Battle institute.
Other moves of Note. Facade, if you properly switch into opponents Twave (im looking at you klefki/Rotoms) with Sticky webs on your end of the field.
Bisharp
Item- Focus Sash
Adamant/Jolly
252 Att/ 252 Speed 6Hp
Sucker Punch
Power Up Punch/Swords dance
Iron Head
Thunder wave/Low Sweep/Rock Tomb
Ideally you want to switch into something that is setting up (or be a lead), thunder wave it (provided it isn't electrick/Limber) . Power Up punch for that nice attack boost. Or Leg sweep if you don't feel like running Twave. Bonus if your opponent switches to intimidate or if there is Sticky webs on field. Survive with focus sash. And attack as needed.
Not sure if that was a standard set. The Adamant version has given me some victories over the Battle institute.
Other moves of Note. Facade, if you properly switch into opponents Twave (im looking at you klefki/Rotoms) with Sticky webs on your end of the field.
You still need a fighting move. Its to deal with all the damn bisharps somebody advertised.
252 HP/ 252 Attk/ 4 whatever you want
Adamant/Brave
Defiant
Leftovers
Substitute
Sucker Punch
Iron Head
Swords Dance
This looks cookie cutter and boring. WRONG. It's extremely effective. http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-37563252 (In which I 6-0 a team. I will fully admit, it was lucklustre. However, I have also 5-0 and 4-0'd GOOD teams [especially sand teams])
Common tactic is to switch in on intimidate/(now even sticky web) or a hazard setter without phazing abilities and set up a sub. One swords dance is enough to start sweeping especially after a defiant boost.
I have yet to try it in the gen VI current ou, but I have high hopes for it. It was with that team (or with variation of it) that helped me salvage my then downward spiraling 1100 rating back up to a respectiable 1550+
Adamant/Brave
Defiant
Leftovers
Substitute
Sucker Punch
Iron Head
Swords Dance
This looks cookie cutter and boring. WRONG. It's extremely effective. http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oucurrent-37563252 (In which I 6-0 a team. I will fully admit, it was lucklustre. However, I have also 5-0 and 4-0'd GOOD teams [especially sand teams])
Common tactic is to switch in on intimidate/(now even sticky web) or a hazard setter without phazing abilities and set up a sub. One swords dance is enough to start sweeping especially after a defiant boost.
I have yet to try it in the gen VI current ou, but I have high hopes for it. It was with that team (or with variation of it) that helped me salvage my then downward spiraling 1100 rating back up to a respectiable 1550+
Ok guys listen, wanted to bump this thread because i recently completely 6-0 a guy using the set i provided in the OP.
Not only that. At +2 and a life orb My Bisharp completely OHKO'd a MegaGarchomp with Sucker Punch. It was crazy......
I doubt that guy was running investment but either way it was incredible
Not only that. At +2 and a life orb My Bisharp completely OHKO'd a MegaGarchomp with Sucker Punch. It was crazy......
I doubt that guy was running investment but either way it was incredible
Bisharp
1.) 252attk / 252 HP
2.)252 Attk / 252 Spe
3.)252 Atk / 84 Spd / 36 Def / 136 HP
Adamant / Jolly
Defiant
Scope Lense
-Psycho Cut (egg)
-Night Slash
-Iron Head
-Substitute / Sword Dance / Sucker Punch (egg)
With the new "change" to crits +2 crit rate means you get a 50% chance to crit, which is as reliable as Swagger on other Pokemon.
While a Life Orb does add more reliable damage a wrong prediction costs you quite some health and can make the difference later on.
A choice band lock adds more damage (statisically speaking) but can be a death trap.
However - on an important site note: Crits do ignore any defense buffs which is great against screens.
There are different ways to play this:
1.) Adamant: Sucker Punch: Using Sucker Punch you want to predict the switch ins right and hit Psycho Cut on your first try. Then, depneding on your opponents speed - either follow up with a 2nd one - or swap out.
2.) Jolly: Sword Dance: Sword Dance always is a nice choice. However - if you opponent has a Fighting type or check in his team you wanna be sure you're faster. In case you are feel free to SD and punch your enemy right in the face.
+2 Attack with 50% crit rate is just incredibly dealy!
3.) Adamant: Substitute: You want to you use this in case you expact Sticky Web / don't heave a reliable Defogger / Spinner.
In the end Scope Lense works out nicely due to Bisharp's nice typing and natural bulk (and doesn't wear himself down with LO recoil).
You usually get enough blows of to take profit of it.
One might argue that it's luck dependant, well - so is using Stone Edge, with the difference that Bisharp always deals at least some damage.
I'm not saying this is the best build since I know that it's a little bit of roulette.
However, it's great when is comes to dealing with checks / counters, screens or sticky web.
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This is Pre-PB, maybe it becomes less viable one Knock Off is available.
1.) 252attk / 252 HP
2.)252 Attk / 252 Spe
3.)252 Atk / 84 Spd / 36 Def / 136 HP
Adamant / Jolly
Defiant
Scope Lense
-Psycho Cut (egg)
-Night Slash
-Iron Head
-Substitute / Sword Dance / Sucker Punch (egg)
With the new "change" to crits +2 crit rate means you get a 50% chance to crit, which is as reliable as Swagger on other Pokemon.
While a Life Orb does add more reliable damage a wrong prediction costs you quite some health and can make the difference later on.
A choice band lock adds more damage (statisically speaking) but can be a death trap.
However - on an important site note: Crits do ignore any defense buffs which is great against screens.
There are different ways to play this:
1.) Adamant: Sucker Punch: Using Sucker Punch you want to predict the switch ins right and hit Psycho Cut on your first try. Then, depneding on your opponents speed - either follow up with a 2nd one - or swap out.
2.) Jolly: Sword Dance: Sword Dance always is a nice choice. However - if you opponent has a Fighting type or check in his team you wanna be sure you're faster. In case you are feel free to SD and punch your enemy right in the face.
+2 Attack with 50% crit rate is just incredibly dealy!
3.) Adamant: Substitute: You want to you use this in case you expact Sticky Web / don't heave a reliable Defogger / Spinner.
In the end Scope Lense works out nicely due to Bisharp's nice typing and natural bulk (and doesn't wear himself down with LO recoil).
You usually get enough blows of to take profit of it.
One might argue that it's luck dependant, well - so is using Stone Edge, with the difference that Bisharp always deals at least some damage.
I'm not saying this is the best build since I know that it's a little bit of roulette.
However, it's great when is comes to dealing with checks / counters, screens or sticky web.
P.S:
This is Pre-PB, maybe it becomes less viable one Knock Off is available.
Ability: Defiant
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 Atk/132 Spe/ 124 HP
Item: Lum Berry/Air Balloon
Moveset:
Swords Dance
Sucker Punch
Iron Head
Knock Off
That's the set I've been using on PO. Speed EVs allow him to outspeed uninvested Rotom-W's, and Lum Berry works surprisingly well with Bisharp. You can use Life Orb or Lefties in place of Lum Berry, but Life Orb recoil is annoying for a pokemon that needs to take a few hits and Leftovers isn't all to important. Dread Plate is a cool item, but Lum Berry allows Bisharp to continue its sweep with no fear of status.
Another good item is Air Balloon which allows Bisharp to set up on the likes of Gliscor, Excadrill, etc. However, this means that if Sticky Web is up, Bisharp isn't going to get an extra +2, which, in many cases, is very crucial. It's all up to preference really, but Lum Berry and Air Balloon are what I find to be the two best choices as they allow Bisharp to set up and demolish unprepared teams.
On a side note, Aegislash, Mega Khan, and physical Mega Luc are great partners for Bisharp, as one of them will often be able to sweep once the others have wreaked havoc on the opponent's team.
Nature: Adamant
Evs: 252 Atk/132 Spe/ 124 HP
Item: Lum Berry/Air Balloon
Moveset:
Swords Dance
Sucker Punch
Iron Head
Knock Off
That's the set I've been using on PO. Speed EVs allow him to outspeed uninvested Rotom-W's, and Lum Berry works surprisingly well with Bisharp. You can use Life Orb or Lefties in place of Lum Berry, but Life Orb recoil is annoying for a pokemon that needs to take a few hits and Leftovers isn't all to important. Dread Plate is a cool item, but Lum Berry allows Bisharp to continue its sweep with no fear of status.
Another good item is Air Balloon which allows Bisharp to set up on the likes of Gliscor, Excadrill, etc. However, this means that if Sticky Web is up, Bisharp isn't going to get an extra +2, which, in many cases, is very crucial. It's all up to preference really, but Lum Berry and Air Balloon are what I find to be the two best choices as they allow Bisharp to set up and demolish unprepared teams.
On a side note, Aegislash, Mega Khan, and physical Mega Luc are great partners for Bisharp, as one of them will often be able to sweep once the others have wreaked havoc on the opponent's team.
This is a bisharp set i used in gen 5, and in some of 6th gen as well.
Bisharp @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Knock Off / Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
This is just a SR Bisharp set that i had moderate success with. The point of the set is too make Bisharp a little more on the support role, with SR and access to Knock Off, which would allow you to get rid of Leftovers or a scarf making it easier to sweep. You can also run SD if you want to go on a more offensive role after you set rocks down.
Bisharp @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Adamant Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Knock Off / Swords Dance
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
This is just a SR Bisharp set that i had moderate success with. The point of the set is too make Bisharp a little more on the support role, with SR and access to Knock Off, which would allow you to get rid of Leftovers or a scarf making it easier to sweep. You can also run SD if you want to go on a more offensive role after you set rocks down.
I'm going to bump this thread with a fun little strategy that works wonders in Pokebank. One of Bisharp's most important attributes this gen is Defiant, which allows Bisharp to benefit from Intimidate, Sticky Web, and ignore King's Shield. However, it also allows Bisharp to gain a free boost by switching into Defog. When you consider that Lati@s is one of the best Defog users in Pokebank OU, Bisharp suddenly becomes the ultimate switch-in because Bisharp:
- Resists Dragon and is immune to Psychic.
- Gets a free Swords Dance boost from Defog.
- Has access to STAB Pursuit.
Consider this scenario:
Rotom-Wash, come back!
Go! Bisharp!
The opposing Latios used Defog!
Bisharp's Evasion fell!
Bisharp's Defiant raised its Attack!
<Opponent> withdrew Latios!
Bisharp used Pursuit!
It's super effective! The opposing Latios lost 100% of its health!
The opposing Latios fainted!
While it's impossible to block Defog like you can Rapid Spin... you can just trap and KO the users instead. All other Defoggers need to watch out for this as well, as nearly all of them will take massive damage from Pursuit. Even 252/0 Scizor is OHKO'd by +2 Dread Plate Pursuit if it tries to switch out (and OHKO'd by Sucker Punch if it tries to attack). Bisharp's ability to trap Defog users is one of the many ways in which Bisharp is a hugely underrated threat this generation.
- Resists Dragon and is immune to Psychic.
- Gets a free Swords Dance boost from Defog.
- Has access to STAB Pursuit.
Consider this scenario:
Rotom-Wash, come back!
Go! Bisharp!
The opposing Latios used Defog!
Bisharp's Evasion fell!
Bisharp's Defiant raised its Attack!
<Opponent> withdrew Latios!
Bisharp used Pursuit!
It's super effective! The opposing Latios lost 100% of its health!
The opposing Latios fainted!
While it's impossible to block Defog like you can Rapid Spin... you can just trap and KO the users instead. All other Defoggers need to watch out for this as well, as nearly all of them will take massive damage from Pursuit. Even 252/0 Scizor is OHKO'd by +2 Dread Plate Pursuit if it tries to switch out (and OHKO'd by Sucker Punch if it tries to attack). Bisharp's ability to trap Defog users is one of the many ways in which Bisharp is a hugely underrated threat this generation.
Bisharp @ Leftovers
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Substitute / Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
I've tested this Bisharp set in Pokebank, and to say it's a monster is an understatement. Not only does it sport STAB Sucker Punch, which allows it to function as a reliable revenge killer for weakened sweepers, but it also has Knock Off, which can ruin teams all by itself. It's generally not too difficult to set up, but the best targets are slower Ghost-types, as long as he doesn't switch into Will-O-Wisp. The only thing Bisharp truly despises is is Mega Luke, who can use it as set-up fodder. Thus, it's important to have something on your team that can reliably switch into and proceed to threaten him.
Sub vs. Swords Dance is preference, but I like Sub to screw Ghosts out of Will-O-Wisp if they dare to stay in. I guess you could attempt fit both on the same set, but that would be rather daunting, as Knock Off, Sucker Punch and Iron Head are all immensely useful.
Speed EVs are for slow Rotom-W.
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Substitute / Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Iron Head
I've tested this Bisharp set in Pokebank, and to say it's a monster is an understatement. Not only does it sport STAB Sucker Punch, which allows it to function as a reliable revenge killer for weakened sweepers, but it also has Knock Off, which can ruin teams all by itself. It's generally not too difficult to set up, but the best targets are slower Ghost-types, as long as he doesn't switch into Will-O-Wisp. The only thing Bisharp truly despises is is Mega Luke, who can use it as set-up fodder. Thus, it's important to have something on your team that can reliably switch into and proceed to threaten him.
Sub vs. Swords Dance is preference, but I like Sub to screw Ghosts out of Will-O-Wisp if they dare to stay in. I guess you could attempt fit both on the same set, but that would be rather daunting, as Knock Off, Sucker Punch and Iron Head are all immensely useful.
Speed EVs are for slow Rotom-W.
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