Talonflame: +2 252 Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def (custom): 1535-1820 (450.14 - 533.72%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Volcarona: 2 252 Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Volcarona: 1640-1950 (527.33 - 627%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Skarmory: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 224 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 275-330 (84.09 - 100.91%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
Latios: +2 252 Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios: 1025-1220 (340.53 - 405.31%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Gliscor: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 244 HP / 40+ Def Gliscor: 1350-1640 (383.52 - 465.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Ferrothorn: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 48+ Def Ferrothorn: 330-395 (93.75 - 112.21%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Aegislash (Shield Forme): +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Razor Shell vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Ferrothorn: 199-234 (56.53 - 66.47%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Excadrill: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Razor Shell vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Excadrill: 853-1006 (235.63 - 277.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Vaporeon: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Rock Blast (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Vaporeon: 310-370 (66.95 - 79.91%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Let's bring in some mighty ubers:
Thundurus: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 1260-1495 (421.4 - 500%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Mewtwo: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Mewtwo: 515-610 (123.79 - 146.63%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Giritina: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Skill Link Cloyster Icicle Spear (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 600-715 (119.28 - 142.14%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Even the mighty Blaziken himself: +2 252+ Atk Life Orb Cloyster Razor Shell vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Blaziken: 751-889 (248.67 - 294.37%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I'm sorry, but if your argument is "If they can set up AND have Stealth Rocks and 6-0 an entire party", then you really should lrn2pokemanz. I agree Blaziken is powerful and all, but come on, guys. You fuckers need better arguments, man. The point of winning a debate is getting people on your side. Not embarrassing yourself with flimsy arguments and convince people to gravitate to the other side.
Then he'll Baton Pass ME the argument, HA, get it? No? fuck u
To start, i hate when people bring up out of context calcs for an argument, now that is very subjective, but imo calcs should only be used to show a generic situation, now you could obviously say you just did, now remind me the last time a cloyster got a Shell Smash off without in ANY priority range without REALLY extensive team support, against a competent player that is.
This isnt a discussion about cloyster, but seriously tho, some of those calcs arent even impressive, and those who are can get countered easily in their majority, ex: if my talonflame is against a Cloyster its a) First turn of set-up, in which case the thing is eating 70+ damage from 2 BBs, considering rocks, any single priority user can pick off from there, i personally always carry 2 or 3 priority users, no scarfers, in my current team but thats just me b) a weakened cloysterwaiting to be picked off by Gale wings BB. Or you could just always take into account the fact that cloyster can set up on like nothing without getting its shit wrecked by the FREAKING priority. Or use the most broke poke atm, rotom w (jk on that one, but srsly, rotom is clean S rank right now)
In comparison, blaziken forces mind games and 50/50 situations genesect style just by entering the field, you often do not even need an SD given how offensive the meta is, and most pokes in those very same offensive team are eating 50+ from RESISTED stabs. Should i switch predicting the protect? What if he HJKs my incoming Talonflame? Hell wtf man, the amount of people roosting on blaziken just to get OHKOd by HJK is hilarious. Oh, and im not downplaying SD, since it turns stall into blaziken's bitch.
I now full well i exxagerated on the damage output, but i just want the fact to be known: Blaze isnt an offensive slouch, and its offensive options arent few and far between, have you seen a team getting its Gliscor/Lando T wrecked by HP ice for a Mega Pinsir or a Dnite to sweep like who gives? BP is one of the deadliest sets because the same co-op sweepers Blaze weakens the counters for ar helped in another way by making them nigh impossible to revenge and even an SD here and there. One mistake in dealing with Ken and youre screwed, if you protect with Heatran as he SDs, you just gave him a kill that is almost impossible to stop, with offense, mispredicting the protect means your scarfer is useless, or getting your ass BPd to a Garchomp or a Lucario gives your opponent no need to predict the revenge killer coming in, sinc ehtey just outspeed and destroy everything as it goes.
Now i broke my own rule mentioning so many specific sitautions right? To end this up, id like to say i dont agree with the arbitrary ban of Blaziken, since imo it has to be debated in a more calm and logical way, seeing how it works in the metagame once it settles down in December.