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Blaziken

I'm confused...Blaziken still has to wait 1 turn to get the boost. It's a fucking amazing ability for him but still...in one turn he could also use agility. If you used protect some things could set up on you, and if you were scaring something away thats a waste of a protect.

I'm incredibly glad it got such a useful ability though.
 
Speed boost really helps a reversal set. You can have a blaziken with liechi, and sub to 1 health, then reversal the shit out of everything.

Will people please stop even mentioning a reversal set. How the hell are you going to make it work. There is a reason there is no successful pokemon that do sub reversal. So you use endure... and die to Sandstorm or hail when they switch in an inducer. Of course, that's assuming it's not already up, which it will be. The only even remotely viable sets are immune to SS and resist SR. Blaziken does neither, and therefor CANNOT use sub reversal.

In addition, the use of both cheer up and claw sharpen really isn't that great for Blaziken imo. He doesn't get that many significant OHKOs or 2HKOs from being at +1, he can already KO all the walls he needs to by having an extra coverage move, so why waste a slot for a boost you, 1 don't need, and 2, waste a turn to set up. This is in opposition to a SD set, who gains a huge host of OHKOs by being at +2.
 
I believe that Speed Boost Blaziken will be dominant, providing that there is a way to RNG IVs.

Scratch that, Even with imperfect IVs Blaze is still a huge threat.

...
Dear god-
This is like Bullet Punch Scizor all over again, isn't it?
Give a moderately respectable, fairly average Pokemon one change and BOOM everyone and their grandma wants it.
...
Myself included. I always thought Blaziken deserved better.

Now the question is, can we breed Dream World Abilities? If so...
.... *Shudders*
I feel the rush already!

Don't worry~ be happy~ YES WE CAN BREED DREAM WORLD ABILITIES :D
 
Will people please stop even mentioning a reversal set. How the hell are you going to make it work. There is a reason there is no successful pokemon that do sub reversal. So you use endure... and die to Sandstorm or hail when they switch in an inducer. Of course, that's assuming it's not already up, which it will be. The only even remotely viable sets are immune to SS and resist SR. Blaziken does neither, and therefor CANNOT use sub reversal.

chances are if your using reversal blaziken, youre not gonna bust it out until you know what the opponents got. if theres no ss/hail, youre free to do what you want. chances are youre gonna get at least one kill off it. if ss/hail is up you only need to sub 2-3 times to get under 25% hp, then you can coast every turn while youre reversal gets stronger almost every turn.
 
chances are if your using reversal blaziken, youre not gonna bust it out until you know what the opponents got. if theres no ss/hail, youre free to do what you want. chances are youre gonna get at least one kill off it. if ss/hail is up you only need to sub 2-3 times to get under 25% hp, then you can coast every turn while youre reversal gets stronger almost every turn.

Firstly, by the time you know your opponent's team, Mixken can already slam through it, WITHOUT almost certainly dying in the process, and can do it while SS and Hail is up

Secondly, Congratulations, you got one kill, my mixken just came in got one, without needing to set up, and switched out to come back later, he then came back later and swept what was left of the guy's team once it was weakened.

Thirdly, with the new boons to SS, there may be 1 out of every 10+ teams lacking it, and then a lot of the rest would have hail. The fact is, SS will once again be the dominant weather of the metagame, just like in gen IV, so the fact is, no sub-reversaler will ever do well unless it's immune to SS, and even then, it's not ideal.

Fourthly, congradulations, you get two, count it, two 150/200 BP reversal just before you die, (~9% or less), and everything prior to that is weaker than my HJK, and it's 99% if I take wide lens, at which point I still have a higher average damage output than you. If I take LO, that just becomes a larger margin.
 
Eh mixed Blaziken and Reversal Blaziken work on completely different agendas and completely different functions; one breaks walls early game and one sweeps late-game. I sense that the general feeling around here is that Reversal is too hard to pull off in a metagame full of priority as well as weather and that Blaziken has better things to do, which are definitely valid points. I just don't think we can completely rule out its effectiveness before witnessing it in play. Chances are if you're serious about Reversal Blaziken, you would have Ninetails somewhere on your team to get rid of Sandstorm and have Shanderaa/Magnezone/whatever to get rid of priority users. Every set has its share of weaknesses and it doesn't deserve to be hastily dismissed. Honestly, I'm not that hot on it because it requires too much team support and we have better options for such late-game sweepers in Lucario, Terakion etc. But it is undeniable that Reversal just became much more viable thanks to Speed Boost.

Anyway for all we know Burunkeru and Cresselia might become popular enough thanks to the influx of Fire and Fighting types that Blaziken won't work at all. d:
 
What I love about Gen V Blaziken is a) the power, b) the speed and c) how many new Pokemon he completely mauls. He still isn't perfect, nothing is, but since the boosts of this gen I think he'll be a common sight in standard. Especially when you consider that while many of the newbies are ferociously powerful, not many are lightning fast making Blaze brilliant after a speed boost or two.

Also, he could be one of the few not super revenged by Ditto, although I'm not sure.

I'll probably use the Swords Dancer.
Anyway. I'm not looking forward to deciding between Shadow Claw and Stone Edge. Both destroy Shanderaa, but SD is needed for things like Bunkera while SE is needed for things like Gyarados. Or alternately there's always substitute.

Come to think of it, would Bandziken be any good? Brilliant coverage, plus any switch has to take two hits and Nitro Charge just cries out for it.

Still, whatever I choose my opponent will be scared of bringing out anything that could be hit by one, and will most likely have to make a sacrifice to find out the truth.

EDIT: If It's true about Baton Pass, then this could be unstoppable. Also, it think bulky Sub passing could be a serious aid to Blaziken.
 
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!
I tested it just now, DW ability can be breeded really!!!

This is pretty big actually if it's not another rumor (Power Whip Chlorophyll Venusaurs anyone)? Blaziken officially has high OU status with Baton Pass

That being said, I'm looking forward to the mixed attacker more than SD / CS Blaziken. Protect / Fire Blast / Hi-Jump-Kick / Shadow Claw (Baton Pass) @Life Orb should become the standard set; I mean, Swords Dance is great for the ability to OHKO a lot of 5th gen defensive pokes, but Fire Blast and HJK already fuck their shit up pretty badly, and if Blaziken can't get past a tough defensive poke, it can just Baton Pass its Speed boosts to something like Sazando
 
I'm confused...Blaziken still has to wait 1 turn to get the boost. It's a fucking amazing ability for him but still...in one turn he could also use agility. If you used protect some things could set up on you, and if you were scaring something away thats a waste of a protect.

I'm incredibly glad it got such a useful ability though.


Well it could use Agility...but it can use Swords Dance instead, and now it's at +2 and +1, way better than just +2 speed.

Also, a mixed set with little speed investment is a possibility.Just give it enough speed EV's that after a turn it becomes faster than 110 Pokemon(including the Monkey) and the rest in the attacking stats.

It will be faster than the Monkey AND has higher attacking stats..After one turn.
 
Yeah!!!!!!!!!!
I tested it just now, DW ability can be breeded really!!!

I'm really excited now.
But does anyone know exactly how the Dream World works?
Will Nintendo only release certain Pokémon into the Dream World, like a Wi-Fi Event? Or will they all be readily capturable?
Has anyone even tried the Dream World yet?

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_popularity_poll_to_begin_on_Saturdhttp://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_popularity_poll_to_begin_on_Saturday

That link would make it appear as though it's like a Wi-Fi event... I dunno, it's still all very hazy. We may be getting ahead of ourselves. Maybe some of these Pokémon will never even be released??
 
I'm really excited now.
But does anyone know exactly how the Dream World works?
Will Nintendo only release certain Pokémon into the Dream World, like a Wi-Fi Event? Or will they all be readily capturable?
Has anyone even tried the Dream World yet?

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_popularity_poll_to_begin_on_Saturdhttp://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_popularity_poll_to_begin_on_Saturday

That link would make it appear as though it's like a Wi-Fi event... I dunno, it's still all very hazy. We may be getting ahead of ourselves. Maybe some of these Pokémon will never even be released??

I heard you randomly stumble upon pokemon but you can control what appears if you enter passwords released by GF.
 
I heard you randomly stumble upon pokemon but you can control what appears if you enter passwords released by GF.

Well, you don't sound too sure, but I'm just going to assume you're right for now. Thanks for (kinda) clearing up something that's been really bugging me lately ^_^
 
Well, you don't sound too sure, but I'm just going to assume you're right for now. Thanks for (kinda) clearing up something that's been really bugging me lately ^_^

Everyone's been saying they release passwords so we can assume thats how it works but I'm guessing about the whole stumbling upon random pokes.
 
baton pass lead
sub attacker
physical
special

focus punch is not very viable since its negative priority

edit: Cheer Up

A baton pass lead?At least better typing than that ninja...Also Focus Punnch could work if you are good at predicting.And at least have another great stabbed attack.
 
A baton pass lead?At least better typing than that ninja...Also Focus Punnch could work if you are good at predicting.And at least have another great stabbed attack.

hjk could work too if you were good at predicting.... even if you arent... much more reliable sorry

also very glad to hear breedable dw abilities now to make myself a blaziken to pass 3 cs just to go on a purgatory spree with shanderaa(totally be worth it if i could ever pull it off)
 
I was saying that Focus Punch isn't completely useless..Just saying that it's there and must be usefull for something..

lets think here for a second... blaziken gets speed boost so now it can outspeed everything and their moms. Next lets give him no defensive stats. now to top it off lets give him an attack that makes him go 2nd. Why would anyone do that? he has paper defense and u want to give them a chance to attack? lol this is like sayin hey i have this sweet gengar im going to give him an iron ball and see what happens.

Yes it is useless i would have been more impressed by all those dumb reversal gimmick sets(also do you realize how strapped blaziken is for moveslots? no room to waste on a gamble)
 
lets think here for a second... blaziken gets speed boost so now it can outspeed everything and their moms. Next lets give him no defensive stats. now to top it off lets give him an attack that makes him go 2nd. Why would anyone do that? he has paper defense and u want to give them a chance to attack? lol this is like sayin hey i have this sweet gengar im going to give him an iron ball and see what happens.


I was just defending a move,buddy.You took it too far.

Focus Punch has one advantage over HJK.

In a mixed set meant to attack straight away(with four moves), Focus Punch is a little more usable a fighting attack for one reason..Ghost types.If you use HJK and switch into a Ghost you lost half the health.

This can obviously be made less important with the new battle rules..but whatever.Just saying that depending on the set a move will be greater than the other.
 
yes i agree i'm coming off like a jerk but it is the least practical move to use on this guy. Period. No merit. ghost switches represent a circumstance that it seems superior but the fact that getting occasional recoil is better than asking the opponent to attack you. I'm Sorry If i've offended you. For real. But gengar with an iron ball has to be the worst idea in the world. I just wanted to see it used like that.
Okay i'll respect your choice if you give me hypothetical moveset

(Honestly dont think you can find a good one though)

also fyi losing half of the hp a ghost has isnt that bad. Forgot to say that focus punch doesnt have uses... im just saying its a less obvious comparison between ember and flamethrower. yes ember has uses to pp stall but if u planned to pp stall wth a blaziken then you have no concept of fulfilling roles
 
yes i agree i'm coming off like a jerk but it is the least practical move to use on this guy. Period. No merit. ghost switches represent a circumstance that it seems superior but the fact that getting occasional recoil is better than asking the opponent to attack you. I'm Sorry If i've offended you. For real. But gengar with an iron ball has to be the worst idea in the world. I just wanted to use it like that.
Okay i'll respect your choice if you give me hypothetical moveset

Okay..But you know i wasn't even arguing, just trying to defend a move.

A set..?

Blaziken@ LO
Naughty
252 Atk/20 Spe/232 Spa
-Focus Punch
-Fire Blast
-Vacum Wave/Baton Pass/HJK
-Stone Edge/Baton Pass/HP of Choice

Haven't check move legality yet.But anyways a mixed set.Switch him into something that it can scare away.Then use the move of your choice.After a turn you will be at 300 speed wich will outrun neutral natured 100 Pokemon.Taking a 150 Stabbed attack is bad enough, but you are now pretty fast and have a priority.

Focus Punch takes skill to use, but on a mixed set is more forgiving than HJK.
 
Okay..But you know i wasn't even arguing, just trying to defend a move.

A set..?

Blaziken@ LO
Naughty
252 Atk/20 Spe/232 Spa
-Focus Punch
-Fire Blast
-Vacum Wave/Baton Pass/HJK
-Stone Edge/Baton Pass/HP of Choice

Haven't check move legality yet.But anyways a mixed set.Switch him into something that it can scare away.Then use the move of your choice.After a turn you will be at 300 speed wich will outrun neutral natured 100 Pokemon.Taking a 150 Stabbed attack is bad enough, but you are now pretty fast and have a priority.

Focus Punch takes skill to use, but on a mixed set is more forgiving than HJK.

first of all i dont care if your argueing with me, im arguing with you(i have fun doing it) secondly what exactly do you feel like the merit of a move you will only use once? not to mention the fact that you might as well sword dance by that point and double your attack... it becomes overwhelming with hjk but focus punch puts u at your opponents mercy... plus only 20 bp increase isnt worth risk of being damaged. crashing into ghosts hurt and all but the base hp on ghosts is always low like 45 or 60 so you will lose maybe 1/3 hp max(on blissey a miss will kill you though)

most importantly what role do you think a set like that can take?prob not late sweep without a reliable fighting attack. I feel like this isnt good because anyone with a brain knows you need to kill this thing and fast if you want win
 
first of all i dont care if your argueing with me, im arguing with you(i have fun doing it) secondly what exactly do you feel like the merit of a move you will only use once? not to mention the fact that you might as well sword dance by that point and double your attack... it becomes overwhelming with hjk but focus punch puts u at your opponents mercy... plus only 20 bp increase isnt worth risk of being damaged. crashing into ghosts hurt and all but the base hp on ghosts is always low like 45 or 60 so you will lose maybe 1/3 hp max(on blissey a miss will kill you though)

most importantly what role do you think a set like that can take?prob not late sweep without a reliable fighting attack. I feel like this isnt good because anyone with a brain knows you need to kill this thing and fast if you want win

It's a mixed set.And Focus Punch can be used instead of HJK..Not saying that it's better.
 
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