Board Game Blind Date Diplomacy - GAME OVER (7-way draw)

Spring 1908 Moves
Here's a fresh new set of moves, which DEFINITELY aren't late because I lost track of time playing the new Indiana Jones game... no no no, that would be very unprofessional...
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Austria
A Bud-Rum (successful)
A Bul S Gre (successful)
A Gal-Sil (successful)
A Mos-Lvn (successful)
A Nap H (successful)
A Rom-Ven (bounced)
A Ser S Bul (successful)
A Ven-Tyr (successful)
A Vie S Ven-Tyr (successful)
A War S Mos-Lvn (successful)
F ADR-ION (successful)
F Gre S ADR-ION (successful)

England
A Den-Kie (bounced)
F Bre-MAO (successful)
F NTH-ENG (bounced)
F NWG-NTH (bounced)

France
A Bel-Bur (successful)
A Hol-Kie (bounced)
A Lvp-Wal (successful)
A Pie-Ven (bounced)
F Cly-NAO (successful)
F Lon-ENG (bounced)
F MAO-Spa(sc) (successful)
F Spa(sc)-Mar (successful)

Germany
A Ber-Kie (bounced)
A Pru S Lvn (target did not accept support)
F Edi NMR (unit holds by default)
Italy
F ION S AEG (support cut, dislodged)
Russia
A Lvn-Stp (successful)
A Mun-Tyr (bounced)
Turkey
A Sev-Mos (successful)
A Smy-Con (successful)
F AEG S Smy-Con (successful)
F Con-BLA (successful)

The following units have been dislodged:
Italian F ION (retreat to Alb, Apu, EAS, Tun, TYS or disband)

If your units are on the list of dislodgments, I need retreat orders from you in the next 24 hours; I will finish the update once that has happened.
 
Spring 1908 Retreats
Here's the new look of the board:
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Italy
F ION retreats to Tun

It is now Fall 1908. Generals should submit orders to me by Tuesday, December 10th, at 9PM PST (GMT-8).
 
Fall 1908 Moves
Well, shit. We have two NMRs. Thankfully I suspect only one of them has significant ramifications for the gamestate, but it sucks anyway. This is why I try to be very flexible with my deadlines.
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Austria
A Bul S Ser-Rum (support cut)
A Lvn-Pru (successful)
A Nap-Rom (successful)
A Rom-Ven (successful)
A Rum-Ukr (successful)
A Ser-Rum (successful)
A Sil-Ber (bounced)
A Tyr S Rom-Ven (support cut)
A Vie-Boh (successful)
A War S Lvn-Pru (successful)
F Gre-AEG (bounced)
F ION-EAS (successful)

England
A Den-Swe (successful)
F NTH-Edi (successful)
F NWG S NTH-Edi (successful)
F MAO-ENG (bounced)

France
A Bur S Mun (successful)
A Hol-Ruh (successful)
A Pie-Tyr (bounced)
A Wal-Lon (bounced)
F Lon-ENG (bounced)
F Mar-Pie (bounced)
F NAO-MAO (bounced)
F Spa(sc) H (successful)

Germany
NMR (all units hold)
Italy
F Tun-ION (successful)

Russia
NMR (all units hold)
Turkey
A Con-Bul (bounced)
A Mos S Pru-War (target did not accept support)
F AEG S Tun-ION (support cut)
F BLA-Sev (successful)

The following units have been dislodged:
German A Pru (forced disband)
German F Edi (retreat to Cly, Yor or disband)

If your units are on the list of dislodgments, I need retreat orders from you in the next 24 hours; I will finish the update once that has happened.
 
Fall 1908 Retreats
Here's the new look of the board:
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None, F Edi was actually a forced disband as well as A Pru. See GM's Notes for more info.

SUPPLY CENTER CHANGES:
Turkey has gained control of Moscow (+1 build)
Germany has lost control of Edinburgh but disbanded two units this year (+1 build)
Austria has lost control of Moscow (-1 disband)
England gained control of Edinburgh, but has no available home supply centers (no adjustments)
France, Italy and Russia did not gain or lose any supply centers this year (no adjustments)

It is now Winter 1908. Generals should submit build orders to me by Wednesday, December 11th, at 9PM PST (GMT-8).

GM's Notes:
Oops, I forgot that while Backstabbr doesn't always represent it, dislodged units are supposed to disband by default after an NMR. As such, F Edi is force-disbanded without input from the German general. Shoutout to Aura Guardian for correcting me on Discord.

I will be starting a poll on the Discord server about whether to pause the game for now and adjudicate the rest of the game in a quick-fire live session with all Generals present. Please vote on that before Winter adjudication.
 
GAME OVER! 7-Way Draw!​
The draw vote passes! Looks like those NMRs showed us it's time to call the game. Fair enough, I say; we had plenty of action in this one, and I think this is probably the right result. Austrian solo chances were slim with Turkey constantly nipping at their heels from behind. I am surprised to see both of Germany and Italy survive to the end though, I thought at least one would be toast for sure. Regardless, here's the final board with the most recent set of builds included:
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Austria
Disband A Boh

Germany
Build A Kie

Turkey
Build F Smy
FINAL SUPPLY CENTER COUNTS:
Austria: 11 supply centers (board top)
France: 8 supply centers (survival)
England: 5 supply centers (survival)
Turkey: 5 supply centers (survival)
Germany: 3 supply centers (survival)
Russia: 2 supply centers (survival)
Italy: 1 supply center (survival)
Thanks again to everyone who participated or spectated this game, you guys are the reason why I even bother with any of this. When I scheduled the first game on a whim, I thought it would just be a momentary distraction from the usual Circus fare for a few players who wanted to relive the old days, but we've now hosted 4 successful games in a row with over 20 unique players, and that's really awesome. It's starting to feel like an entirely distinct slice of the forum now. Congrats to Austria on the board top and congrats to everyone else for making it through eight years, that doesn't happen too often. If anyone is curious to know the various Generals' thoughts on the game, I'll be opening up their private channels in the Discord server for everyone to see! I especially encourage everyone to check out M2H's channel, as they give a detailed breakdown of their thought process behind almost every turn; continuing from the previous two games, watching his development as a player continues to be one of the most exciting parts of Smogon Diplomacy for me.

For those of you immediately wondering "what's next?", fear not! We already have the next game lined up, and the host will be a regular player who's finally taking a break: Dead by Daylight!
 
I will say that Italy is a very difficult country to play in gunboat because if Turkey ever is allowed to get a fifth build (such as by Russia failing to protect Rumania...) then it becomes impossible to ever break in without supports, and those are very VERY difficult to coordinate when your generals don't really know what is going on tactically (not their fault, just they were new). Sadly even though I used my army in Tunis to indicate what moves I wanted both the Austrian general and the diplomats ignored that and in fact negotiated for other moves instead :(

I should've ignored the Munich trap because I knew it would be tempting to Austria to stab, but I figured Austria would be able to see that stabbing me would preclude any chance of a solo because then Turkey just sits in their backside forever. Turns out Austria did not in fact see that and I do think stabbing us was what ruined the chances of a solo. I also was kind of just desperate to do SOMETHING and Sunny was the only diplomat giving me anything to work with in terms of reasonable moves that made sense, it is unfortunate that his general disagreed because I'd have gladly used Munich to help him take over all of Germany and just hard allied with France.

GGs all, sorry to Turkey but I do think that Italy basically has to try to eliminate you first in gunboat or there is never any chance at a long-term win. I'd have gladly aligned with Russia or Austria after Turkey died but Russia decided to fight Austria and not Turkey and so we never got a chance to do anything :(

I appreciated Tommy's zeal, I think that it is his first time so I will gloss over the various tactics he missed due to not really knowing the standard strategies. Feel free to ignore whatever rants I posted in the Discord chat, I am just happy that we managed to survive and technically grabbed a share of a draw! Many Italians end up worse, this was truly a trial by fire for your first game.

Only other thing to mention is that I do think Austria should've stuck with our alliance, it is likely that you could've solo'd if you had. The West was an absolute mess and we had time to grind it out and win vs. Turkey, it's just unfortunate that Austria wasn't willing to make the moves necessary to beat them (moving Greece to Aegean was the critical one, you spent YEARS refusing to move that even though I sent a phantom support order indicating you should at least three or four times). I don't think stabbing was 'wrong' per se and you ended up with a board top so regardless, congratulations are in order for that!

Thanks to Flandrs for hosting and for everyone getting their orders in so quickly / on time each cycle. I've rarely seen a Diplo game run so smoothly.
 
GGs everyone, I still think that HyHy should have teamed up with me instead of Germany initially; also from a pure strategic standpoint it prob wasn't the smartest on DBD's part to exclusively go after me but w/e.

I hope everyone enjoyed Dead by Daylight and I's thread fireworks, especially this post. Who were the paragons of the game, and who were the serpents?
sunny004 said:
Good to see my tuition dollars aren't going to waste. /s

Do you really expect the other players to be so dumb? You wanted us to implicitly insert "...allies 'until I want to stab you?'" into this phrase? Don't make me laugh. Of course not! Don't pretend like you're some benevolent power whose interests align with everyone else's; you're not some paragon of the game who gets to have his fingers in everyone's pies like you're trying to do here.

I have more productive things to do than squabble about semantics with one who, in the words of dak, "lies as easily as he breathes." I already admitted that I am probably not taking the W here against an EG, so I really don't care what "excuses" about my comments DBD makes in his desperate attempt to gaslight the rest of you. But I will leave y'all with one final question for some food for thought:

Why does DBD feel such a need to challenge me when I point out his blatant lies? Again, I already admitted my self-interest here: since I can't win against an EG, I just want DBD (and to a slightly lesser extent, Hydro) to lose. I have no compunctions about future victory. He's just trying to keep you all complacent until he's too big to stop. For your sakes, I encourage you to keep him on a short leash. Alice Kazumi HydrogenHydreigon Duskfall98 destroy him after you take out Turkey, OK? I would rather see this serpent get his comeuppance than any one of you.
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