Not to mention battle tower locks your levels to the opponent, so unlike the rematches you won't have a level advantage.
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Yeah, what Platinum has in its favour is a slightly better story and better first teams.
If we look at this correctly, BDSP addresses and succeeds in solving what was wrong with DP:
- Slow paced game;
- Limited pokédex, narrowing our teambuilding options (I remember fire types only being 2 families: Chimchar and Ponyta lines);
- Challenging game (BDSP has better team movesets and strats, most of them competitive, even on first matches);
- The HM usage required to traverse the game was too high for bad attacks that couldn't be easilly forgotten back then;
- Making competitive teams was too time consuming and tedious without the Sw/Sh QoL we have nowadays
In the other hand, we can think about that BDSP is mainly DP with gen 8 QoL. What we can complain about is that probably BDSP could have a little more new content, like bringing back megas, improving the Galactic plot (like Platinum already does), or adding some kind of post game episodes and inherit some of Platinum's improvements like the Battle Frontier and first-battle team compositions. Also, some developing choices are indeed questionable, like:
- the chibi artstyle, making it for awkward cutscenes and weird pokémon-human scale when pokémon are following you (in my opinion this visual aspect shows no improvement since HGSS in 2009);
- the Amie bullshit being bound to the following pokémon;
- the untoggable full party expShare.
In short, this game can either feel satisfying or disappointing. It all depends on what you look at it and what aspects matter to you. I'm a bit disappointed because I expected more for Sinnoh, but I think this will be a good Sinnoh experience afterall. They deserve my props for the cool AI teambuilding strats, I was not expecting that at all!
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I mean I am a huge fan of both Frontiers, don't get me wrong. And losing out on a Battle Factory experience is unfortunate.
But these rematch teams have perfect IVs, EV trained, and seem to utilize competitive strats. It almost reminds me of the PWT in a way, and even there they didn't have perfect IVs. As long as you don't cheese the fights with Switch mode, healing items, or over level to oblivion, I think it'll be possible to simulate a similarly challenging experience.
And even the Frontier isn't without its faults. You have to wade through a bunch of no name battles before reaching the good ones. It's nice that these rematch battles will be more easily accessible.
Yeah, the Tower also looks good in this game. I really can't give a definitive edge to one post game versus the other from what I've seen so far.
You don't have to have a level advantage against the rematch teams either, unless you actively seek one. I think it will be perfectly possible to fight them at around the same level as they are if you don't grind excessively.
Do remember that the Dexit announcement wasn't well received in japan at the time.
And with "wasn't well received", I mean something slightly more awful than "20 angry men on a forum"
https://nintendosoup.com/junichi-ma...ts-ahead-of-pokemon-sword-and-shields-launch/
To the point there were (unconfirmed) rumours of death threats, graphic drawings of violent acts against Masuda and Omori, with people initiating a support campaign on the internet to try and cheer up the morale of the employees.
One clear advantage for Platinum over Diamond and Pearl: Platinum introduced the best side character in the franchise - Looker.
I don’t like the look of BDSP and I found ORAS a little weak, and ideally there should never be any significant cut content in these kind of remakes… but I was always fine with the Frontier’s removal and highly agree with GF’s reasoning for it: it’s a lot of resources for something basically no-one plays.
Like… let’s be real here. I won’t get into semantics about postgame content and having some kind of battle facility, because there is always a place for that; but for most people interested in that the Tower does just fine. Most other facilities amount to gimmicks adjacent to Tower and many are downright *annoying* at that with the RNG thrown at you. There’s obviously fans of those but they are in the minority and it’s hardly a priority for most people seeking something a game has to offer.
I feel a compromise could be made, mind — like I said many are just Tower-with-a-gimmick so you could put a couple of them in the tower as alternate rules to flesh the place out a bit. It should in theory be very easy to code in Factory as just “use rental pokemon” as an option, perhaps with a different boss character too.
But by and large I would consider the Frontier the lowest priority for things to keep, and honestly far lower priority than new content as well. I would much rather see a “Griseous Episode” or something than the Frontier in an alternate universe where BDSP was given reasonable dev time and resources, and I guarantee you most players would agree.
Like… let’s be real here. I won’t get into semantics about postgame content and having some kind of battle facility, because there is always a place for that; but for most people interested in that the Tower does just fine. Most other facilities amount to gimmicks adjacent to Tower and many are downright *annoying* at that with the RNG thrown at you. There’s obviously fans of those but they are in the minority and it’s hardly a priority for most people seeking something a game has to offer.
I feel a compromise could be made, mind — like I said many are just Tower-with-a-gimmick so you could put a couple of them in the tower as alternate rules to flesh the place out a bit. It should in theory be very easy to code in Factory as just “use rental pokemon” as an option, perhaps with a different boss character too.
But by and large I would consider the Frontier the lowest priority for things to keep, and honestly far lower priority than new content as well. I would much rather see a “Griseous Episode” or something than the Frontier in an alternate universe where BDSP was given reasonable dev time and resources, and I guarantee you most players would agree.
The only Frontier facility I'm not happy about its absence is the rental facility, because you don't need to train your own Pokémon (so even someone who doesn't know about competitive training, or does not have the means to can get some BP).
The rest... can leave without me batting an eye about it.
Should hopefully get the rest of the underground information tonight.
While I agree that backlash will only have an impact once/if it ever affects profit, it's disingenuous to pigeonhole issues as the ramblings of "20 angry men" - as it is just as egregious to say that the people who enjoy current generations are "a small handful of mindless yes-men". There are plenty of other stances to take: you could still enjoy the games, but still have a problem with the issues, you could hate the games but don't mind the issues, or any of a number of stances in-between. Gatekeeping really serves no good purpose.
There's no reason they can't let us decide how long the timer should be. Before matches have a timer setting where you select how many minutes the battle will be: 20 to 60 (or 99 if they want to go up to the numerical max).
ILCA: And this is your idea for the Distortion World.
GF: No.
ILCA: But...
GF: 1:1 DP remake.
ILCA: *Sigh* Okay...
GF: But you can keep the boss fight.
ILCA: What? But without the Distortion World the boss fight doesn't make sense!
GF: WE HAVE SPOKEN.
Should have sent out their Giratina first just for the memes.
Normal Giratina: Who... who are you?
Shadow Giratina: I'm you, but 28 Levels better.
It feels like it's supposed to.
Question, was there a way for the 3DS to directly connect to the Switch? I quick Google searched didn't show me anything definitive.
Back on topic.
All good points. I don't care that much for Mega's or following Pokémon, so those don't personally affect me.
But I do think the chibi art is pretty goofy, even if it's not a deal breaker for me. And I say this as a huge detractor of mandatory Exp. All, but I legit think we'll need it in this game. I think they're using the Gen 5 scaling mechanic too so I don't think we'll become over levelled. But we're literally going to have be in the late 50s (at least) for a full team of six to take down Cynthia in her first matchup alone, if we're playing on Set mode with no healing items. I think by battling all the possible trainers without grinding, the Exp. All will get us to that point, but I have to test that out myself.
The one problem with this is balancing a team of weird experience groups (Fast, Slow, etc.) where you'll be overutilizing the Slow mons in order for them to keep pace. Which is a fair point. But I initially thought the Exp. All would make this game unplayable for me and I definitely no longer feel that way.
This whole debate seems to be boiling down similarly to ORAS vs. Emerald as far as the definitive game of their respective regions. Which I have to say is an impressive showing for a Sinnoh remake, as I did not think this game would come close to measuring up to Platinum.
I mean I wouldn't agree with that. In an alternate universe, I definitely would prefer extra dev time and resources would be spent on a full fledged Frontier if possible. But all things considered, this game has done a great job of making up for the lack of that. Arguably more so than any other game actually, in my opinion.
I very much like the rematches, its fair to congratulate them when they do this right, and they have done this right. It's not to say that the battle frontier is perfect, but its replayability value for obvious reasons and the amount of raw options that it offers surpases a rematch. Keep in mind that rematches loses their value at the first playthrough, unless you are devoted to, i dont know, maybe keep permanently leveling up mons to level 84 to rematch the same leaders again, whereas the facilities are designed with the purpose of replaying them as long as you want and even incorporate an streak system to reinforce this. Like, the Battle Tower is absolutely fantastic (to the point the pressence of a classical battle tower was the only thing i needed to buy this remakes), but when you pair it with its brothers, Pokémon becomes a binding of isaac. Its endless.
I do not believe the 3DS is capable of connecting with the Switch.
This is likely partially why Bank & Home have to implement a password system in order to transfer Pokemon from Bank to Home: the 3DS can't just connect to Switch so it needs to leap frog via a connected server that does the hand off.
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From the top reply:
"After 49 winning streaks, you can access 'Master Class'.
Master Class have 10 ranks; When you get a seven-win streak, your rank will go up by one. On the other hand, if you lose seven times in a row, your rank will go down by one.
And each ranks exists definite Master Trainer (not random).
Based on the order of the text data, the Trainer order is
Single: Roark - Gardenia - Maylene - Byron - Candice - Fantina - Crasher Wake - Volkner - Cynthia - Palmer
Double: Roark&Byron - Mira&Cheryl - Fantina&Gardenia - Saturn&Jupiter - Candice&Maylene - Riley&Marley - Buck&Bertha - Flint&Volkner - Mars&Cyrus - Barry&Palmer
You can check text data: Archive-5583\bdsp_parses\message\language\language_dp_scenario3.txt - line after no.1020"
And I thought the PWT was a bit sketchy for allowing Giovanni in... Who the hell did Palmer pay off jesus
It's interesting but why Buck&Bertha when Flint is Buck's brother.
Sad there's no Aaron&Lucian pair.
Wondering when we will see their Teams.
Buck & Bertha are an interesting combination.
Mira/Cheryl, Riley/Marley are just kinda whatever. They needed to pair up and the stat trainers made sense. And Gardenia/Fantina are a real pair the spare situation.
Obviously Buck had to be paired with someone, and Flint (his brother) was already taken because of Volkner, but grabbing Bertha's just an interesting pick.
Mira/Cheryl, Riley/Marley are just kinda whatever. They needed to pair up and the stat trainers made sense. And Gardenia/Fantina are a real pair the spare situation.
Obviously Buck had to be paired with someone, and Flint (his brother) was already taken because of Volkner, but grabbing Bertha's just an interesting pick.
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Do these pair-ups have dialogue between themselves i.e. Galarian Star Tournament? If so I could see Buck & Bertha having an "energetic youngster and old lady trying to keep up with the whippersnapper" kind of arrangement
So it was a coin toss between Bertha and Lucian (since Claydol is also part Psychic)?
Alternately, Buck is paired with a ground-type specialist because Claydol can Levitate above his partner's Earthquakes.
Maybe outside Claydol but will also use Ninjask and Aerodactyl, both immuned to Ground attacks.
I really hope so!
Frankly, i dunno how that works, but it's exactly what I wanted. Something similar to Galarian Star Tournament but with BT rules.