Quanyails
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Hi all! As a result of the moveset discussion, we will be voting on a few controversial moves. Make sure that you read the moveset discussion here to understand the consequences of voting for or against these options.
The controversial moves we will be voting on are listed below. Spell the move and its qualifying include/do not include as you see it below when posting. Do not vote to both include and not include the same move, as that is nonsensical and will result in your vote being deleted. This is NOT a flavor poll; it is a competitive poll. Flavor movepool submission and voting will happen at a later time.
The following movesets have already been decided on, and the included moves required, as of the previous discussion. Take this into account when making your votes.
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CAP 24 So far:
Topic Leader: Drapionswing
Topic Leadership Team:
SHSP: Typing Leader
Drew: Ability Leader
reachzero: Stats Leader
mxmts: Movepool Leader
Concept:
Abilities: Drought/Trace
Stats: 92 HP / 63 Atk / 97 Def / 124 SpA / 104 SpD / 96 Spe
Weight: ≥500 kg
The controversial moves we will be voting on are listed below. Spell the move and its qualifying include/do not include as you see it below when posting. Do not vote to both include and not include the same move, as that is nonsensical and will result in your vote being deleted. This is NOT a flavor poll; it is a competitive poll. Flavor movepool submission and voting will happen at a later time.
Include Defog
Do Not Include Defog
Include Flame Burst
Do Not Include Flame Burst
This poll operates on the multiple bold voting standard, which is detailed here. Make sure to bold your votes and nothing else. A typical vote looks like this:Vote A
Vote B
Vote C
Any comments that the voter has would go below the votes in non-bold text. Bold text is used to determine what the user's votes are, so none of the supplementary text should be in bold.
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The following movesets have already been decided on, and the included moves required, as of the previous discussion. Take this into account when making your votes.
In addition, the following moves have been deemed other options that will also be required:Name: Offensive Drought Setter
Move 1: Moonblast
Move 2: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 3: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 4: Synthesis / Healing Wish
Ability: Drought
Item: Fightinium Z / Life Orb / Heat Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Name: Grassium Z
Move 1: Solar Beam / Leaf Storm
Move 2: Moonblast
Move 3: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 4: Synthesis / Shore Up
Ability: Drought / Trace
Item: Grassium Z
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
Nature: Modest
Name: Choice Scarf
Move 1: Moonblast
Move 2: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 3: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 4: Solar Beam / Leaf Storm
Ability: Drought / Trace
Item: Choice Scarf
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Name: Utility
Move 1: Moonblast
Move 2: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 3: Wish / Healing Wish / Light Screen
Move 4: Shore up / Synthesis
Ability: Trace / Drought
Item: Leftovers / Heat Rock / Fightinium-Z
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
Name: Choice Specs
Move 1: Moonblast
Move 2: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 3: [Fire Coverage] / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast
Move 4: Solar Beam / Energy Ball / Leaf Storm
Ability: Drought / Trace
Item: Choice Specs
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid / Modest
This poll will be open for 24 hours.Shore Up
Synthesis
Moonblast
Focus Blast
Solar Beam
Healing Wish
Leaf Storm
Energy Ball
Wish
Light Screen
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CAP 24 So far:
Topic Leader: Drapionswing
Topic Leadership Team:
SHSP: Typing Leader
Drew: Ability Leader
reachzero: Stats Leader
mxmts: Movepool Leader
Concept:
Drew said:
- Name - Snow or Shine (or Sand)
- Description - A Pokemon that abuses 2 weather conditions for different effects
- Justification - Currently in CAP, there is only one form of weather that is really worth using: rain, and only one really type of weather abuser: offensive sweeper. This concept means to address both of these issues by creating a new niche for two weather conditions. This concept would fill the archetype of a weather abuser, but I feel it also fits into the Actualization category as it would also aim to create a new role for a weather abuser for 1 or more different weather conditions.
- Questions To Be Answered
- Why are hail, sun, and sand underrepresented in the current metagame?
- What makes rain the best weather condition currently?
- How can this CAP encourage the use of other weather conditions? What do hail, sun, and/or sand need? Sweepers? Setters? Walls?
- What weather effects are underutilized? How can we successfully use these effects?
- How can one Pokemon utilize different weather conditions for different effects and sets?
- Should this Pokemon be able to function outside of weather-based teams? If so, what niche would it need to fulfill? If it sets it's own weather, is it enough to abuse the weather condition on its own?
- Explanation - For those who don't fully see how a not-sweeper weather abuser could work, take Lileep in LC for example. Lileep, mainly back in BW and XY as sand is quite uncommon in SM, is on most sand teams, as it can abuse its Rock-typing to boost Special Defense, the passive damage from sand, and its access to Recover and Toxic to become a weather abusing wall. Another possible interaction would be running Ferrothorn on rain teams to semi-nullify its Fire weakness. Not only typings are underexplored though! There are many moves, items, and of course abilities that can be used to abuse different weather conditions in a way that no Pokemon really does currently.
Typing: Grass/FairyThreatlist said:Pokemon we want to beat:
Sun:
Heatran, Crawdaunt, Latios, Mega Latios, Pajantom, Zygarde,
Sand:
Heatran, Landorus-T, Tapu Bulu, Tomohawk
Pokemon we want to pressure/threaten:
Mega Mawille, Cawmodore, Ash Greninja, Kartana, Marowak-Alola, Celesteela
Pokemon we want to check Cap24:
Fire-Types: Volcarona, Marowak-Alola, Pyroak(Sand), Blacephalon, Victini
Steel Types: Mega Scizor, Excadrill, Magearna(Sand)
Poison Types: Plasmanta, Mollux, Crucibelle, Mega Crucibelle, Toxapex, Mega Venusaur(Sun)
Priority Users: Kitsunoh, Mega Pinsir, Mega Scizor, Syclant, Cawmodore
Other: Mega Alakazam, Hawlucha
Pokemon we want to counter Cap24:
Mega Venusaur(Sand)
Mega Charizard Y
Pyroak(Sun)
Chansey
Abilities: Drought/Trace
Stats: 92 HP / 63 Atk / 97 Def / 124 SpA / 104 SpD / 96 Spe
Weight: ≥500 kg
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