CAP 3 CAP 3 - Part 1 (Main type)

[Earthworm]

Fire/Grass sounds like it would be interesting.

Equally interesting is the possibility that it could be (as latinoheat wrote) a Sunflora evolution, although I would think Grass would be the main type in that situation.

 

[Fishin]

Electric. Electric and Fire are the two main types I'd like to see a new Pokemon for, and Electric feels like it has more possibilities. I wouldn't mind Fire at all, though.

 

[Dane]

every time someone said anything about it the idea was shunned down because the whole committe are bias towards just having new pokemon, instead of you know thinking what the whole community want or atleast giving them the option.

I recall it being brought up once, and I gave reasons why it should be after typing. Nothing after that was brought up, so it can only be assumed that there were no objections. You can't expect something to taken seriously if you can't, or won't, defend it with reasons. It has nothing to do with bias, and everything to do with no one debating in favor of doing it before typing in the process thread, for the weeks it was up.

Also nearly 43% of people voted they wanted a new evo last time so it is hardly like its just a few people.

Yet, the only posts mentioning it are these:

1) Where would the "New pokemon or evolution of an existing pokemon" discussion be? Is it possible and/or wise to place it in among main/secondary typing discussions?

Also is it an evo should be the first poll.

If this was such a major issue for some people, why was it not debated in the process thread? You have to give reasons behind your choices for things such as that, which did not happen.

I think there is enough people wanting a new evo that you could run a new evo creation alongside the new pokemon ones, then the people who are put off by how limiting its supposed to be don't have to vote.

I think the idea of running two CAP's at the same time isn't something that was wanted. I seem to recall it being brought up before, but cannot remember when or where.

There is no logical reason for voting for type first because peoples votes would hugely differ if they knew it was gonna be a new evo or not.

Personally, I'd vote for Fire regardless.

 

[Mekkah]

I agree entirely with Dane. You're also making way too much of a big deal out of this, and you'd had your time to comment on it.

I think the main thing that should be added is a potential way to severely damage Heatran, arguably the best counter to Fire-types, sans Infernape, Blaziken and Magmortar.

You will find this is not difficult to do even with current Fire types. Many, many of them learn Earthquake, Earth Power or Fighting moves, and it seems most Fire types also lend themselves to use both attacking stats. Arcanine, Infernape, Charizard, Typhlosion, Magmortar, Rapidash, Camerupt, they all have two viable-at-least attacking stats.

That said, I'd rather have that Fire type be focused on one attacking stat for a change, or one that can use its resistances to its full extent (Fire does resist a whole slew of types). But that's for another poll.

 

[Gothic Togekiss]

I'm not gonna make a fuss but it just doesn't seem logical. Right now it seems everyone is voting like they want a new poke which is fine, but kind of defeat the purpose of a following poll

How is voting for type first defeat the purpose of a new poke/evo poll per say? Is having the option of voting for a evolution in the beginning that important to you?

or one that can use its resistances to its full extent (Fire does resist a whole slew of types). But that's for another poll.

I could never imaged a fire type being a good defensive creature despite it's resistances but then I blame most of existing fire types for this bias outlook.

 

[Darth Meanie]

Fire is a type that has alot of wasted potential, and surprisingly, though the type is a terrible one defensively, has the second most resistances in the game. A good fusion type could do fire good, like fire/grass of fire/water. Fire grass could make a very good wall, weak to poison, flying only I think, I can't remember if grass resists rock or not.

 

[Jonathan]

Electric. All the OU ones are kind of meh to me. It would be nice to see a more physically oriented one, not a sweeper like Electivire, just with good Attack.

 

[chronostrike]

In my case, I really want to see a poison type, and it doesn't matter to me whether it is an evo or not. If it is an evo, we could add it on top of Arbok, Quilfish, Ariados, Swalot, Seviper, or any of the myriad single types that could conceivably get it. I can even think of some nice ones: Mightyena, Pachirisu, Torkoal (maybe, but it already has a high BST), Eevee, and Spinda.

For teh lulz, we could even evolve Luvdisc into a bad-tempered water/poison.


On a slightly different note, I had the idea that we could turn a poison type into the special equivalent of Forretress. That all depends, though, on whether people would like a new poison-type version of Rapid Spin.

Aqua Regia: Special Poison, 40 PP, 30 BP, 100 Acc, removes entry hazards and leech seed

The higher base power makes up for being an inferior attacking type (not that it matters much at a grand total of 45 for one hit with STAB). There are still pokemon immune to it, useful ones at that, so rapid spin blockers are not out of business.
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[eric the espeon]

I am voteing electric but fire is my second choice.

The votes so far:

Bug
Dark 1
Dragon
Electric 4
Fighting
Fire 8
Flying
Ghost
Grass
Ground
Ice
Normal
Poison 3
Psychic
Rock 2
Steel
Water 1

this is up to and includeing this post.

Also i saw a few non bold votes, please change them.

there can be no counter-voteing in this poll (its pick one) so i think this kinda thing is ok.

 

[Cooper]

Normal. I'm pretty surprised no one has mentioned it yet, considering that the metagame is pretty much devoid of good normal types. Blissey is too highly specialized, and I know I'm not the only one who would like to see it fall into some disuse. Snorlax is laughable, seeing as how everything hits harder, and it's tough for a Curser with no special talents to get ahead.

Plus, last CaP got me into the idea of a Ghost/Normal type, which is something a lot of people might find interesting. One weakness to Dark? Pretty sweet.

EDIT: Never mind, I'm changing my vote to Electric.

 

[eric the espeon]

Ghost/Normal is not something i want to see, it would slaughter BU Revenankh (imune to both STAB's). Lets give our last pokemon a chance.

 

[devoninja]

I'm voting for Fire. Hopefully we can do a Fire/Poison type. It would have some nice resistances (Fighting, Bug x4, Ice). and a 4x weak to ground which is disturbing but also allows more freedom to give high stats/good abilities etc.

That, or a Fire type that isn't weak to ground. Fire grass sounds nice cuz it isn't 4x weak to rock.

 

[DougJustDoug]

Electric

There are so few good ones out there. Also, there are few dual-type electrics in general. There's a lot of room for creativity.

I also think we could use another great Grass pokemon. Right now there's just Celebi and maybe Breloom. There are other grassers that are usable, but not top-flight OU. I think we could make one.

I'd also like to remind people to stay on topic. If you want to argue about the process, then post in the process workshop thread. Arguing as to whether we should have started with a different poll, will get us nowhere. This is the first poll. It's done. If you think we should start with something different NEXT TIME, then bring it up in the process workshop.

 

[Dane]

As far as Fire goes, I don't mind if it has a ground weakness. Honestly, the only things that still seems to use ground attacks in OU are Garchomp, Tyranitar, and Hippowdon. While many things have access to Earthquake, few actually use it.

One huge thing though, is I definately agree it needs to NOT have a rock weakness. We have enough of that as is. Unfortunately that only leaves Fighting, Ground, and Steel, all of which we already have. So I'd settle for not having x4 weakness to it.

I do like the idea of Fire/Grass, it's weakness/resistance spread is pretty impressive. Granted none of these are super used moves, but it's mostly the same on both sides so it's not toppling over either way.

Weak:
- x2 Flying
- x2 Poison
- x2 Rock

Resistant:
- x2 Electric
- x4 Grass
- x2 Steel

 

[Urza]

so far the best arguments i've seen have been for fire, and that is a type that interests me. i wouldn't mind at all if that was the winner. however, i'd like to make another argument for the rock type, that got a few early votes, then got dropped.


special rock is a fantastic attacking type, hitting a lot of pokemon in a surprisingly weak spot. right now, we only have a few special rock moves/pokemon, and all of them are rarely seen in ou level play. omastar, probopass and lunatone come to mind; not exactly bog-standards. the closest thing we have to a special rock type in ou is tyranitar, and even that is only as a supplement to its impressive physical attacking prowess.

i'm not actually going to vote for rock just yet, but i thought i'd throw it out there again as another good option. i'm gonna wait and see where a last minute vote could potentially swing things.

 

[KoA]

I will nominate Fire as well. Game Freak's been mean to them this past gen by not giving us much to use aside from Heatran and Infernape.

I would love seeing a Fire/Grass as well.

 

[Elevator Music]

I'd have to agree the idea of a new Poison type would be pretty cool.

As much as I love Tenta and Weezing (and Gengar, but who the hell even acknowledges him for Poison), I'd like more variety.

 

[Mekkah]

I could never imaged a fire type being a good defensive creature despite it's resistances but then I blame most of existing fire types for this bias outlook.

The key is finding a good dual type. As of now, Rock/Water/Ground weak cripples it from what it would do, overriding the resistances to Ice/Fire/Steel/Grass/Bug. A Fire/Water type, for example, would be neutral to Water and at least scare off the other two. The core of the problem lies in that Rock, Water and Ground "cover" each other so that he'll always remain weak to one of them, unless you take a cheat route and use his trait.

Though Dry Skin could make sense and have a lot of use.

A Special Attacking Rock type would be funny, though it would only have Power Gem for STAB unless we invent a new move.

I agree with Doug that Electric and Grass have a lot of potential as well. Fire was kind of a flip result from a three-sided coin.

 

[MegaBuddha]

I'd like a new Poison.

Need better toxic spikers imo

 

[Hyra]

Go Electric!

Runner up is Fire/Grass, not Fire or Grass, but Fire and Grass.

Reason I didn't pick Fire is because I could never let go of Heatran, so I would like to make another Pokemon to add to my team. Revenankh and Syclant both filled two holes in my OU team, I'm like to fill another.

 

[X-Act]

I'd go for a Poison type due to the reasons I mentioned repeatedly in another thread. ;)

 

[Marker]

I shall be voting for Electric as I feel we need more diversity in electric types. I also like the idea of a Fire/Electric sweeper of some sort. STAB Thunderbolt and Flamethrower anyone?

 

[Tsukikage]

I'm voting for Electric with Fire and Poison a close second and third. There are so few Electric dual types out there. Only Flying, Ghost, Steel, and Water have been paired up with it. Possibilities include /Ice even though Syclant was only two Pokes ago for STAB and resisted Boltbeam, /Fire would be and interesting combo, /Psychic would also be interesting, and mono type with Levitate would make it have zero weaks.

 

[flygon493]

Fire.

My favorite type is fire, and I want to be able to use more fire types than Infernape and Heatran(and to a lesser extent Charizard and Typhlosion). Fire has so much potential, but many fire types are shafted in atleast one of two ways: Movepool(having mainly fire attacks or attacks of the opposite power source, like Flareon) or stats(again not having the power to use its attacks properly, or not having the stats to stand up to moves). I think a Fire/Grass type would be cool, it'd definitely be unique. But, IMHO, a Fire/Dragon is what we've(or atleast I've) been waiting for. I really hope this happens, Fire/Dragon would be a beast. Two STABS unresisted by everything but Heatran, throw in a fight/water/ground move(hidden power?) and we've got a dangerous sweeper. Plus, we could give it Levitate(very unlikely if we do this), since it could have wings, erasing its ground weakness. If fire doesn't make it, rock would be a great alternative(I like SS), especially a special rock type.

 

[chronostrike]

Are we allowed to change our votes?

I think an electric/poison would be a nice dual type, and it could make a nice spec wall (especially if we give it something like thick fat). We could even evolve it from pachirisu if people really want to make an evo (it has 90 base SDef already).