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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Part 12 (Complete Movepool Poll 3)
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Still voted for Tennis because of what moves can be found in the same moveset.
Thats because flavor is bullshit. Seriously, we're here to make a competitive pokemon. We don't need everything that we're doing. Doug brought up a good point a while back in the PR thread: I can make a pokemon with just the types, abilities, and just the competitive moves. It wouldn't be pretty, but it would accomplish our goals. Everything else we do is "flavor", to make it seem like a real pokemon. So when I said that makeing a couple of moves in the movepool prevo moves was bullshit, I meant it. It has no bearing on the actual pokemon in the end, it still gets the moves. That coupled with the fact that the prevos probably won't get made unless we want to include them in LC at some point on a separate ladder, and the number of prevos is a separate poll, and you have pure flavor. We don't need flavor, we just use it to make it seem more real.
Voted for Tennis, the pre-evo is so bunk.
U-turn is absolutely key for something like that.
Block is so bad on this guy, cause if they're bringing out counters, that means its time to U-turn.
Only reason I was considering voting for X-act is that it has slightly more in the utility dept as opposed to Tennis' large attacking movepool.
U-turn is absolutely key for something like that.
Block is so bad on this guy, cause if they're bringing out counters, that means its time to U-turn.
Only reason I was considering voting for X-act is that it has slightly more in the utility dept as opposed to Tennis' large attacking movepool.
Actually my movepool has less attacking options, with a very limited movepool.
Exactly! It really doesn't matter whether or not it does have a preevo! The only difference is that with a preevo it helps the flavor, and without the preevo the flavor is silly! Mechanically, just like you said, it makes no difference at all! So why wouldn't you just take the only extremely minimal compromise that was accepted and use it to justify the completely absurd flavor of a ground spider controlling the wind?
Look, it really doesn't matter why I'm voting for X-Act. The thing I really wanted to argue is that it's arbitrary to say that even once this poll is over, the movepools are still locked into stone.
Fixed and when comparing the two, it's a decision between having more options on one side or another.
I'll be surprised if X-act wins this since now people want this guy with U-turn(which isn't a bad move per say). Another thing, why didn't we give it Baton Pass again? Why can't we just stick U-turn into X-act submission....is adding an missing TM stupidly disastrous?
If your point is that flavor doesn't matter then how comes people bitch and moan about thing like elemental attacks not being so flavorful on this guy? You say flavor is bullshit and yet....
Tennis and about a dozen more people said:
Wait...if flavor doesn't matter and that you don't need to justify crap for flavor then why say a statement like that? Are you saying that there's a certain limit in where you'll believe you're own story before going back on it? Do you even realized what you said but don't care as along as you're right?
You aren't getting my point. My point is that flavor doesn't matter, so I don't care if a prevo helps flavor of not. You guys wanted Tailwind and voted for a spider. I'm not going to bother trying to justify it for you, you don't even need to justify it. How does Wooper Focus Punch? Same way this uses Tailwind.
So your reasoning for a preevo is that since it makes no difference at all, we should just do it? Sounds like busy-work.
No, I'm saying that if all it does is help, then "it's all a load of bullshit" is an unjustified (not to mention shove-under-the-rug-y) reason not to do it.
See, most of us were afraid that those moves were going to be broken on this. However, we had no data to prove it. So, I guess to stop them from getting on, I had to say that they didn't make sense. I still believe they would have been broken on this. The prevo flavor is bull because you can't justify Tailwind on this thing, so the majority of people feel a need to justify it in another way, a prevo. The problem is, we usually have a prevo poll at the end. So in a way, it's poll-jumping to say we're going to have a prevo with moves x, y, and z, without even knowing if we're going to have a prevo! So yes, I may have contradicted myself, but then again, what self respecting politician hasn't for a good reason?
I'll rephrase "Flavor is bullshit" a little nicer and more to the point -- "We should not be discussing flavor so much."
I find it terribly disappointing that in the VAST NUMBER of posts that discuss Tailwind, almost NONE OF THEM actually talk about the impact of the move on the metagame. Almost none. That is utterly pathetic for a project that is supposedly comprised of learned metagame players. All we talk about is pre-evos, and wings, and Butterfree, and wind-powers on Suicune, and whether spinning hands can make the wind blow, how he can push other pokemon from behind, blah blah BLAH! What a fucking joke...
Here we have a move that can raise the entire teams speed, and we have paired it with an ability that adds two additional turns to that effect. How can that NOT be meaningful in the metagame?!? I'm not saying it's broken, nor am I saying it is underpowered. But, surely someone would think it might be mentioned when discussing the move. But, nooooo! Of all these people on the project that see fit to post discussion about Tailwind -- all everyone can think about is the FLAVOR in which the pokemon executes the move? That is incredibly disappointing to me.
I find it terribly disappointing that in the VAST NUMBER of posts that discuss Tailwind, almost NONE OF THEM actually talk about the impact of the move on the metagame. Almost none. That is utterly pathetic for a project that is supposedly comprised of learned metagame players. All we talk about is pre-evos, and wings, and Butterfree, and wind-powers on Suicune, and whether spinning hands can make the wind blow, how he can push other pokemon from behind, blah blah BLAH! What a fucking joke...
Here we have a move that can raise the entire teams speed, and we have paired it with an ability that adds two additional turns to that effect. How can that NOT be meaningful in the metagame?!? I'm not saying it's broken, nor am I saying it is underpowered. But, surely someone would think it might be mentioned when discussing the move. But, nooooo! Of all these people on the project that see fit to post discussion about Tailwind -- all everyone can think about is the FLAVOR in which the pokemon executes the move? That is incredibly disappointing to me.
The point wasn't that he didn't added the elemental beams since the three main one (IB, FT, and TB) were banned from this guy's movepool. The point was that he contradicted himself by saying the elemental moves like Shock Wave or Shadow Ball wasn't in his movepool because of flavor issue and yet stating that flavor didn't matter within this project.
Flavor doesn't matter, so I didn't include any flavor TMs.
Ugh, I'm definitely blind >_<
Considering that now it's U-Turn vs Knock Off, and I prefer U-Turn.
Can anyone change my vote to tennisace, please?
I'm not sure anyone is going to change his vote before this poll closes. I mean isn't this suppose to be one of those times where once you cast your vote, there's no going back. You have to stick with your decision regardless of your mistake(s).
Edit: Okay so I missed that but still, you should have noticed that small bit of detail well before casting your vote. If we could take back our vote(s) on non-bold polls at will then why haven't we done that when Pokemon design was done? We could have saved lives D:
Edit: Okay so I missed that but still, you should have noticed that small bit of detail well before casting your vote. If we could take back our vote(s) on non-bold polls at will then why haven't we done that when Pokemon design was done? We could have saved lives D:
>.> <.< >.>
hmm, I forgot about that, maybe because when I think of elemental attacks I don't think of moves like shadow ball and shock wave. However, I'm baffled as to exactly why they are not included after seeing all the explanations.
I voted for Tennis because of ice punch, cause I didn't really care either
way, and tennis was losing :3
way, and tennis was losing :3
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