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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Part 2 (Primary Typing Poll 2)

Which should be our Pokemon's primary type?

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No one kicked him because he voted Poison. He was kicked because he rubbed it in everyone's faces and called them 'fuckers'.

Please, tell us why Electric/Poison would be horrible.
 
Plus said:
You were basically rubbing it in our faces when you said you voted for poison. You voted poison just to piss us off, alive. Honestly, you were being an ass about it, and I'm sure SoT (Spanky) would surely agree.
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yes, it is true i did do it to piss you off. but the only reason i voted is because i was kick by spanky just for saying something along the lines of "I'm not voting for electric because you fuckers wont shut up about it" which in hindsight was pretty immature of me and i apologize. and don't try to give me any of that "you were kicked because you cussed" crap, mods and drives cuss at people, and even just randomly, all the time.
 
Elevator_Music, I'd say that is a very accurate description of whats been going on on the CAP server tonight.

Not cheating, no, but unfair - undeniably. The people in the positions of power need to be the ones with the most responsibility. If they are the ones making common users want to complain, who do they complain to? And do they risk getting kicked for it?

Some people should take a leaf out of Doug's book - He's supporting the type he wants to win the poll but being graceful and responsible about it. Other mods should look up to him for his conduct which is largely what makes the CAP forum and server nice places to foster creativity and a growing community.

Anyway...

I am starting to be convinced that Poison/Electric is both a likely and a desirable outcome of the typing poll so all this drama may be redundant, as Cooper suggests.
 
yeah aldaron you're right. well actually i have over 30 posts now xD.
But yeah i definately voted too early. I took some time to look at more CaP server information and now i know electric would have been a better choice.

Edit: currently 96(p) vs 93(e)
had i voted electric, it would be 95 vs 94...damn
 
Aldaron said:
These posts are good :D

Btw, I did a quick little run through this topic, just noting what users registered on the smogon in the past month or so or have less than 20 posts...

Said users voting for Electric: flounder, plus, Jhonny, Absolution, Metallic Fire...That's five that we know of.

Said users voting for Poison: LoZdestroyer, X Presumptuous, Lusantian, DDRMaster, IceBug, Kizo, IamtheWalrus, Iraff, ParadOxymoron, SexyAlejandro, Mario310, KamenRider, ixfalia, Zonik, T__T, Pedochu, Beav232, Majesano, Megalolz, severedarkness...That's 20 we know of.

Man, this is just the votes we know of too lol. A majority of these guys only had 6 or 7 posts because they posted in this topic.

Seems to be a HUGE correlation for newer members (and less experienced with the CaP project) voting for Poison. Also, 2 of the Electric crowd, Flounder and Plus, are both very involved with the CaP project on the server, so I can't even begin to call them new to the project.

Could this mean something? Who knows :P (sarcasm)
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It's good that you did this to support your point, but this finding means nothing. It can go both ways. Because I can argue for Poison's side and say that the new Poison voters posted more than the new Electric voters, meaning they are more inclined to share their opinions in this community, and be more involved in the CAP Project than the new Electric voters. It would be more accurate to have a public poll and discussion involving every voter to see which side is "more experienced"
 
"yes, it is true i did do it to piss you off. but the only reason i voted is because i was kick by spanky just for saying something along the lines of "I'm not voting for electric because you fuckers wont shut up about it" which in hindsight was pretty immature of me and i apologize. and don't try to give me any of that "you were kicked because you cussed" crap, mods and drives cuss at people, and even just randomly, all the time."

This is true enough. =/

"No one kicked him because he voted Poison. He was kicked because he rubbed it in everyone's faces and called them 'fuckers'."

I know insluting a moderator/driver is an offense, but I still don't think the situation is exactly fair. And yes, I would agree alive was being immature in calling them "fuckers".

"Please, tell us why Electric/Poison would be horrible."

Yay I made a ENEMY. =)=) [/idiot]

And alright. I will. Later. Too tired to type up a long post and I like to look over my arguments first.
 
the only reason i voted is because i was kick by spanky just for saying something along the lines of "I'm not voting for electric because you fuckers wont shut up about it"
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That's a terrible way to make a voting choice. I am fully in favor of greater restrictions next time.
 
i dont even care you guys take out my vote, hell, you can move it to electric if you want. i was just pissed about how they were trying to get votes.
 
It seems you have merely restated the same, overused points that most other poison supporters have used (with the exception of Deck Knight, who puts a valid argument with his breeding pool assertion.)
jagged_angel said:
Ok Aldaron, I will only post sensible posts from now on, as long as you don't class me asking people to VOTE POISON as nonsense?

Here's why Poison should be chosen over electric:

1. The toxic spikes sucking up, and toxic immunity is very handy for a utility pokemon to have.
Oh please, do explain to me why toxic spikes absorption is that important for a utility pokemon to have. If you ask me, toxic spikes aren't even used enough nor are they game breaking enough to make a toxic-spike absorption trait that necessary. If it was, then far more poison types would be OU. The fact that only one is OU, which you seem to argue as a selling point for poison typing, actually show that the metagame doesn't need any more checks on toxic spikes usage.

2. The typing provides a resistance to Fighting which is an extremely common attack type. Psychic is probably the 3rd least used STAB other than Poison and Steel.
Please log on and battle on the CaP battle server before assuming that Psychic is a rarely used attacking type. As Doug, Mag, and Aldaron have stated several times, Revenankth has become such a threatening force that several psychic types who would normally not use their STAB would resort to Psychic type moves to counter him. Why would we want another pokemon weak to it? I have also stated before that bringing up the said fighting resistance is irrelevent because I could then say Electric's resistance to electric is just as valuable. You can't prove that one resistance at this stage of the project completely outclasses the other.

3. Poison is the least common type in the OU tier, and the few BL poisons are Not pure utility.
Again, I state under your first point, as well as in my first post quoting you, that while there are few poison types in OU, the two that are are both very good pokemon. Gengar is easily one of the best sweepers in the game and Tentacruel is about as close to pure utility as you can get. Even the BL poison types, such as Roserade and Drapion, offer plenty of utility not found in electric types.

4. Electric pokemon in OU already have many utility options suggested by Smogon.
Refering to Mag's second post, most of the said "utility" movesets detract from the potential of the said electric pokemon. While they have access to utility, it's not like people are going to use, say, Magnezone to set up screens instead of concentrating on steel killing and sweeping. Jolteon is far too frail to wish pass effectively, and while Zapdos comes close, passing speed boosts is really the only way it can be called a true team supporter.


5. Poison is the worst STAB in the game. This is a positive because our mandate in creating this is Pure Utility. It is the time when STAB would be least needed as an offense.
How can you call that a positive? If Hippowdon did not have STAB on Earthquake, could it call itself the best Tyranitar counter? We have not specifically defined pure utility to non-offense, and thus, STAB does matter. If we build are pokemon defensively, having the STAB boost helps in defeating threats such as Gyarados. It also offers, as Aldaron stated, a non gimmick Charge Beam user, which is something we don't see at all in the current metagame.
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Oh my god please give me a poison/dragon it would be the coolest pokemon ever. Poison is the coolest type this shit better look AMAZING!
 
Doesn't Poison/Dragon sound like a sweeper type combo rather than a utility type combo? We SHOULD be thinking a little bit of flavor here, not just bad assitude...
 
Probably because he was tired of idiots going 'LOL TOXIC SPIKES ABSORBTION XDDDDD'

Or it could have been coincidence, you know, not everyone against you is a biased megalomaniac.
 
If this thing DOES become Poison/Electric, I would love it if somebody made a design for this pokemon based off computer viruses. Spyware, trojans, you could even make this thing a branch evo of porygon. Utility fits the definition of computer virus real well, but that's just what I think. Sorry if this is off-topic, but I think that's a really cool idea.
 
The server mods need to stay "above the fray" on the server, even when it's more fun to be down in the middle of it. We do not condone abuse of power of any kind by server moderation, but I have no evidence of impropriety by Aldaron or anyone else right now. I only checked the log for alive's specific case. In that specific case, it looked like a clean kick.

But, I will do a more thorough log review later. If there were any improper actions taken by the mods, then I will handle it.

Let's all keep this whole thing light, OK? There's no reason to get too serious about it. I think this is great drama, and I think it has been wonderfully educational. Let's just let the poll play out, and we can move on.

It's just Pokemon, remember?
 
Doug, it's a VIDEO GAME ARGUMENT on the INTERNET. This is not going to stop until we're past the typing polls.

EDIT: Hey my post count is the same as my birth year :D
 
I think Aldaron had a point at the end of the last page. The smarter, more involved people voted electric, whereas the newcomers voted poison.

GO ELECTRIC!
 
Lol, I hope that what Aldaron stated about the newer users has some say in the matter, but I doubt it will.
 
...............................................................................................................3 votes between them.

Posion wins.

End discussion.
 
D:

Sunday that one guy said he wanted to change his vote to Electric and alive said we could delete his does that mean it's a tie?

Please?
 
Is it too late to change my vote? I voted for Poison before reading anything in the topic because I only saw the topic like 3 mins before the poll closed...
 
its 3 ahead so it would still be winning by one, people should have changed their votes before the deadline as its gonna mean this lasts even longer.
 
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