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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Part 3 (Secondary Typing Poll 2 )
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They already have a dark and poison type with good defenses and good attack, Drapion.
*facepalms*
This isn't going to be a Drapion clone even if it does get poison/dark (which doesn't look likely with the abundance of dragon fans here). There's no reason why we shouldn't go for dark just because another Pokemon has the typing.
Drapion doesn't do the same thing as a Pure Utility pokemon would. Drapion seems to be more mixed oriented. His stats are just not bulky enough to be lasting. He does have a defensive set, though.
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/drapion
Theres no problem with doing a type done before/ We don't have to make a new type combination every single CAP. I like the idea of doing this type purely around utility because Drapion is a good indicator of what this might look like + more moves, more useful ability, and better stat distribution.
http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/drapion
Theres no problem with doing a type done before/ We don't have to make a new type combination every single CAP. I like the idea of doing this type purely around utility because Drapion is a good indicator of what this might look like + more moves, more useful ability, and better stat distribution.
Poison/Ground is also going down the same path. It will also be weak to Ice on a Server where Syclant also exists.
It was a reply to one of the first posts, and I was just saying that because people said they wanted a dark/poison type...don't have to "*facepalm*" Whatever that means...
And a Dragon/Poison type would be pretty cool, but Poison makes it weak to Psychic and Ground, it only adds to Dragons weaknesses making it weak to FOUR types: Ice, Dragon, Ground, Psychic. Why not just do Dragon...I don't see the point of a Dragon/Poison...
And a Dragon/Poison type would be pretty cool, but Poison makes it weak to Psychic and Ground, it only adds to Dragons weaknesses making it weak to FOUR types: Ice, Dragon, Ground, Psychic. Why not just do Dragon...I don't see the point of a Dragon/Poison...
I don't care about how Drapion is mixed and crap like that...you guys wanted a Dark/Poison and I suggested Drapion...end of story.
Poison/Dark
While I originally suggested that this Pokemon have either the Poison or Dragon type in the original main-type poll, I can't support the two coming together in one Pokemon. At this point, the type combination that seems the most sensible is poison/dark, because it has just the one weakness, which should be easily predictable.
While I originally suggested that this Pokemon have either the Poison or Dragon type in the original main-type poll, I can't support the two coming together in one Pokemon. At this point, the type combination that seems the most sensible is poison/dark, because it has just the one weakness, which should be easily predictable.
Can someone do something about him? He's starting to get annoying.
We follow set rules on this project, we voted Poison as the primary type and that it will stay. We are now determining a secondary type (or lack of) now.
poison/ground seems more acceptable to be than poison/dragon since dragon's weak to dragon and considering that attack-wise this is going to be outclassed by any dragon it's going to get creamed along with ice and ground. Ground as secondary adds interesting factors but i'm still not comfortable with the ice + ground weakness.
We follow set rules on this project, we voted Poison as the primary type and that it will stay. We are now determining a secondary type (or lack of) now.
poison/ground seems more acceptable to be than poison/dragon since dragon's weak to dragon and considering that attack-wise this is going to be outclassed by any dragon it's going to get creamed along with ice and ground. Ground as secondary adds interesting factors but i'm still not comfortable with the ice + ground weakness.
Why is all the arguments over pre-existing types to Pokemon remind me of something from the Revenankh project? Anyway, if either Ground or Dragon wins, I'm seeing a high BST in the near future.
Steel, for the same reasons I had stated in the other thread.
why this pokemon should be poison/steel
1) like you said, this pokemon will most likely get rapid spin, boo who so poison/steel wont absorb toxic spikes. any spikes will be gone anyways, and steel also resists stealth rock.
2-3) pbpwm
4)i thought hippodowns and gliscors good defesive stats, good support moves, and the ability to create/evade in sandstorms keep it ou. trying to compare attacking moves with shuckle is just laughable. that whole sentence doesnt deserve to be in your post.
like you said, this pokemon will probably have bad attacking stats and will have to rely on super effective moves. poison/ground/steel will pretty much all be useless (no ground weak pokemon would even switch in). its all going to come down to its movepool, and none of us will know how that will turn out yet.
5)point.
6)normal, grass, ice, flying, bug, rock, ghost dragon, dark, steel resistance. poison immune.
I've dealt with ip3wna11n00bs (ironic name). Everybody stop the mini-modding and lets move along with the discussion.
No ones forcing you to draw art for this (or even enter the art thread for that matter). If you don't think you can come up with something fun, interesting and creative then I don't think you should bother even submitting anything in the art thread. Judging from pervious art threads I'm sure that no matter what type wins we'll see some great "off the wall" art being submitted.
Majesano your sig makes it look like you're voting every time you post =="
If anyone cares I changed my vote to Posion / Ground.
The next poll is style bias, so if Posion / Dragon does win then I would like to see it lean towards Special. That was we can get a stronger one-off attack when dealing with Chomp switch-ins (and it hits on Chomps weaker defencive side, with 85 base Sdef compared to 95 base Def) and I like it more flavour-wise. iirc one of the concepts was a special-based Dragon so people may get their wish at least in part.
Seriously, Poison/Dragon is the way to go.
It has good resists, it allows for more of the support moves wanted to be accessible and make sense, it could (with the right tweaking and effort) fill many of the roles wanted as well as providing excellent use of moves like trick room, gravity etc.
Many people wanted a defensive dragon -- here you go
People wanted a good spinner -- a poison/dragon can do this. it already absorbs toxic spikes (but so do most poison combos)
For those that want ground, the only real advantage is the t-wave immunity (dragon resists electric so its pretty close) since they are equally weak to ice.
Most of all, we already have good poison/grounds and good poison/darks (2 of each actually) the only other one considerable (poison/steel is contradictory since poison's selling points were fight resist and t-spikes absorbtion) is electric which doesn't seem any better than dragon, and dragon could probably get all the electric utilities as well as some of the psychic ones.
Also for those who don't want dragon cause they don't want a "serpent," I am confident that isn't the only thing that will be thought up. I actually have an idea right now that ISN'T a serpent and seems to make things work in terms of justification for moves etc. It could also get thick fat ~ non ice weak dragon ftw :D
It has good resists, it allows for more of the support moves wanted to be accessible and make sense, it could (with the right tweaking and effort) fill many of the roles wanted as well as providing excellent use of moves like trick room, gravity etc.
Many people wanted a defensive dragon -- here you go
People wanted a good spinner -- a poison/dragon can do this. it already absorbs toxic spikes (but so do most poison combos)
For those that want ground, the only real advantage is the t-wave immunity (dragon resists electric so its pretty close) since they are equally weak to ice.
Most of all, we already have good poison/grounds and good poison/darks (2 of each actually) the only other one considerable (poison/steel is contradictory since poison's selling points were fight resist and t-spikes absorbtion) is electric which doesn't seem any better than dragon, and dragon could probably get all the electric utilities as well as some of the psychic ones.
Also for those who don't want dragon cause they don't want a "serpent," I am confident that isn't the only thing that will be thought up. I actually have an idea right now that ISN'T a serpent and seems to make things work in terms of justification for moves etc. It could also get thick fat ~ non ice weak dragon ftw :D
Aldaron/Magmortified said:
Dragon.
Flavour wise it'd be easy to make a poke that can Reflect,Light Screen, Trick Room, Wish, Heal Bell,Tail Wind etc with Dragon. (Dragonite can do some of this stuff and is a good support poke even though it has great offensive stats.)
Electric would be another vote but I don't have 2 votes.
Out of the other types, I can't see a mono poison, steel or ground pokemon really doing Wish or Heal Bell/Aromatherapy. nearly all poison pokemon are disgusting looking (Muk,Swalot)
Poison/Electric
I've posted my reasoning in previous posts in this thread. Nothing posted since has convinced me otherwise. I just can't see a utility pokemon that is weak to both EQ and Ice. I just checked, and 18 of the top 25 pokemon commonly carry either an Ice or Ground move in their standard sets. How can we make a utility pokemon that can't face over 70% of the best pokemon in the game?
I'm not pleased with the typing choices available, but that's mostly because Poison is a totally crappy primary type. There's a reason that Poison pokes aren't used much, and now I know why. But, that decision can't be reversed. We have to make the best of it. Please don't make this thing weak to ice and ground by voting Dragon or Ground.
I've posted my reasoning in previous posts in this thread. Nothing posted since has convinced me otherwise. I just can't see a utility pokemon that is weak to both EQ and Ice. I just checked, and 18 of the top 25 pokemon commonly carry either an Ice or Ground move in their standard sets. How can we make a utility pokemon that can't face over 70% of the best pokemon in the game?
I'm not pleased with the typing choices available, but that's mostly because Poison is a totally crappy primary type. There's a reason that Poison pokes aren't used much, and now I know why. But, that decision can't be reversed. We have to make the best of it. Please don't make this thing weak to ice and ground by voting Dragon or Ground.
Sucks Poison/Electric isn't going to win this one. I feel that the primary type is really sucking this Pokemon down the tubes. I somewhat knew it should have been an Electric type but it's too late now. I have a strange idea in terms of a design for this Poison/Dragon.
FTW, Filter pwns you all.
FTW, Filter pwns you all.
Poison/Ground
I want to vote for Dark or Electric as a secondary type, but they currently have no chance of beating dragon unless alot of people change their votes. Grounds major points is that it would have access to stealth rock and resistance, sandstorm, and T-Wave immunity.
I want to vote for Dark or Electric as a secondary type, but they currently have no chance of beating dragon unless alot of people change their votes. Grounds major points is that it would have access to stealth rock and resistance, sandstorm, and T-Wave immunity.
Dragon
Adds two common weaknesses but avoids a dreaded x4 weak that we'd see with electric, if steel does not absorb toxic spikes then it's a no go imo. Also awesome concept art and potential for a large movepool. Also, electric's resistances, though numerous, are generally useless against top level OU threats. I'd vote dark but we already have a poison/dark semi utility pokemon in Drapion.
as far as stealth rock goes, even Blissey has access to it, I don't think it'd be hard to work in.
Another btw here, keep in mind ability is still up in the air, thick fat is a possibility would alleviate most of the issues people are having with ice/ground weak which I agree is pretty bad.
Adds two common weaknesses but avoids a dreaded x4 weak that we'd see with electric, if steel does not absorb toxic spikes then it's a no go imo. Also awesome concept art and potential for a large movepool. Also, electric's resistances, though numerous, are generally useless against top level OU threats. I'd vote dark but we already have a poison/dark semi utility pokemon in Drapion.
as far as stealth rock goes, even Blissey has access to it, I don't think it'd be hard to work in.
Another btw here, keep in mind ability is still up in the air, thick fat is a possibility would alleviate most of the issues people are having with ice/ground weak which I agree is pretty bad.
Alright, I'm changing my vote to Elec. It may not do much to change the tide of the vote, but this:
EDIT: Besides, this thing could gain *perhaps* more utility this way. It could draw out EQ users like flies onto sugar. 4x weakness is a big lure, and you could use that to bring out a Levitating/Flying powerhouse to PWN the optimistic fool.
really changed my opinion.
EDIT: Besides, this thing could gain *perhaps* more utility this way. It could draw out EQ users like flies onto sugar. 4x weakness is a big lure, and you could use that to bring out a Levitating/Flying powerhouse to PWN the optimistic fool.
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