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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Ability Discussion Thread

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This post is based on Skyshroud's Easter Island guy.
Adaptability would make no sense. It doesn't look like it could adapt to different situations, I think.
Technician? Maybe. It has that focused look, so...
Filter would be a better alternative to Solid Rock - remember, this guy is supposed to not be solid at all, with that horrible Defense.
Super Luck could be a fun option, but could only be chosen after someone makes a Pokedex entry for it.
Early Bird/Insomnia could also make sense.
Trace, Synchronize, Inner Focus and Soundproof too.
Limber and Mold Breaker are also obvious choices.

Out of these, I think Filter, Super Luck or Trace would be the best choices. They're not very often seen and they have something in common with that guy.
Adaptability or Technician could work better for YDG's guy.
 
Mr_Goodbar said:
But does it need an amazing ability to be OU? Probably not if we give it an appropriate moveset. I stopped being involved with CAP after revenankh because because people kept overshooting things, and apparently as seen by the reforming of syclant and revenankh my feelings were correct...make sure you don't overdo this promising new poke.
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Yea, then came freaking Pyroak because people got scared of overdoing it >_>

I'm confident that this thing won't become overpowered. Heck if it doesn't get technician/adaptability/new move it's likely to be underpowered.
 
Now I agree with those who've said giving it something like Rock Head isn't exactly breaking the mold. I mean in the end that is the concept right?

Limber as an ability I'm liking. No rock types or OU pokemon have it and it would be something helpful for it to have.
 
If we WERE to use Specialize, who says we give it Head Smash? Or even Stone Edge (though I wouldn't see why not)? I could see this working wonders with moves like Double Hit/Rock Blast (Sub users), Aerial Ace (Heracross/Breloom), EQ (though why we wouldn't use Earth Power I can't tell) among other things. Broken? Not when Blissey sits down in front of it.
 
RobertM said:
Yea, then came freaking Pyroak because people got scared of overdoing it >_>
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Pyroak is what we should aim for in the CAP project. It's a very good Pokemon, and it doesn't need to be boosted.

I'm confident that this thing won't become overpowered. Heck if it doesn't get technician/adaptability/new move it's likely to be underpowered.
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Ahaaaa thats rich. So 120 Special Attack, 130 Speed, and STAB on the best attacking type in the game is going to be underpowered. Thats really rich.
 
tennisace0227 said:
Oh yeah! Lets give something with Skymin's Special Attack and Speed access to special Head Smash, which conveniently gets STAB on the best attacking type in the game! Gimme a break.
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...And we give it Reckless.


Problem solved (?) :D


EDIT: Huh, looks like Reckless doesn't increase the recoil. Forget my idea >_>
 
Ahaaaa thats rich. So 120 Special Attack, 130 Speed, and STAB on the best attacking type in the game is going to be underpowered. Thats really rich.
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Eh, I guess the speed might keep it out of BL. But STAB means nothing if the move has freaking 70 BP.
 
Many people are suggesting abilities like Limber or Levitate that allow Rockmon to come in on immunities, but what people aren't realising is that without a way to boost it's STAB attacks it will still be a rather underpowered sweeper.

The way I see it, we need to either give it an ability such as Technician or Adaptability, or we give it a new more powerful special Rock move. Otherwise this thing will find itself being like a special form of Electivire - excellent coverage but rather pathetic STAB. And we can calm down about it being overpowered because Blissey won't be 2HKOed by anything this guy can throw at her (unless we give it both a power up ability and a new move).

My personal preference would be TECHNICIAN because I believe we can make successful pokemon without having to use new moves / abilities. Adaptability would be slightly overpowering, allowing him the OHKO on Blissey with Head Smash on a Life Orb set. I also think that the other ability shouldn't be something redundant like Pressure, but rather an ability such as Limber (YDG) or Insomnia (easter island statue).

And this crap about "Mysticism" and "Specialize" is ridiculous.
 
Poll is too close to call, but some ideas:

Caladbolg:

This looks like it has some latent Psychic abilities ala Golduck.

Synchronize would be a good anti-status and could mess up Thunder Wave from Togekiss, or at least null its flinchax ability.

Insomnia could also work with some kind of "ever watching" flavor.

Solid Rock could also work as a way to enhance special walling in Sandstorm.

YourDeadGrandad:

It's a consortium of multiple parts, so it might be cool to see a pokemon with Skill Link and STAB Rock Blast. I don't think it necessarily has to Levitate, and I don't think its good to just give it Ground immunity willy-nilly when it could be perfectly fine earthbound, using its multiple parts as camouflage. It also seems very insect-like, so maybe it could get a Rock-type Swarm Ability.

Hyper Cutter would also fit a pokemon with sharp blades.
 
I think that for Caladbolgs'~/Skyshrouds' it should have the abilities:

Levitate

This is probably obvious because in the artwork picture it's showing his pokemon using some sort of special power of his to make the rocks in front of him levitate and plus it would be a bonus to not have a ground weakness on a rock pokemon as EQ is ever so common in todays' metagame.

Synchronize

I also agree with Deck Knight in SkyShrouds'/Caladbolgs~ poke getting synchronize as looking at many of the psychic types most have synchronize such as xatu and espeon to name a few.

As for YDGs' pokemon I think it should get some of these abilities:

Levitate

I put this ability here again as YDGs' pokemon looks like it could possibly levitate on its' own.

Sand Stream

Sand Stream could be a viable ability for a rock pokemon such as this, maybe using its' special powers to start up sandstorms around itself.

That's my suggestions for abilities for the new pokemon.
 
If making up new abilities are allowed, I would certainly like to try making up a few.

1. Whiplash - Disregards the attack lock nature of Choice items
2. Cater - STAB moves increase in power by 50%
3. Boggle Down - Stat boosts travel to the next Pokémon on the switch out
4. Stabilize - This Pokémon can not receive status conditions
5. Cruncher - The effects of weather conditions on stats are 50% greater than normal

In regards to existing abilities:

If yourDeadGrandad's design wins: Download, Intimidate, Levitate, Sand Veil, Early Bird, Sniper

If Caladbolg~/Skyshroud's design wins: Mold Breaker, Solid Rock, Super Luck, Vital Spirit

Both: Adaptability, Clear Body, Technician, Limber, Rock Head, Pressure

I'm trying to not make it too game breaking. I think Cater works great as an ability because Power Gem still gains an important boost as well as keeping its power balanced.
 
Slowking Lover said:
1. Whiplash - Disregards the attack lock nature of Choice items
2. Cater - STAB moves increase in power by 50%
3. Boggle Down - Stat boosts travel to the next Pokémon on the switch out
4. Stabilize - This Pokémon can not receive status conditions
5. Cruncher - The effects of weather conditions on stats are 50% greater than normal.
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1) No offense, but sounds pretty broken, unless you plan on the Pokemon having crappy stats, but it looks like it wont be the case for this CAP

2) You mean Adaptability?

3) Broken, especially on a BP chain
4) Broken >_<
5) What do you mean? As in fire type moves do 225% normal damage in sun? Eh, I'm not sure when this would be useful except in ubers and UU, both of which are not what CAP is made for.
 
tennisace0227 said:
Oh yeah! Lets give something with Skymin's Special Attack and Speed access to special Head Smash, which conveniently gets STAB on the best attacking type in the game! Gimme a break.
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Why would we give rockmon the VERY exclusive head smash? I actually see alot of potential in this ability if we limit its movepool. heck, we dont even have to give it stone edge. It would also be nice for other moves that are physical but we want it to be special. Want special fighting without giving the highly exclusive aura sphere and using low acc focus blast? give it brick break! This solves more then a few problems when choosing the attacks. Want a special bug without giving it the innapropriate bugg buzz give it special x scissor.

Also, with rockmons adverage hp, headsmash would be more like spcial explosion. I dont want rockmon to learn headsmash, but even if ti does, its gonna hurt rockmon tons.
 
Dodge Reflex: Fighting attacks used against this Pokemon have their accuracy decreased by 25%.


Just something unbroken but still a tiny bit useful. % could be played with a bit. He has papery defense, so giving him a chance to live through a strong fighting move that he wouldn't normally.. You know, without Focus Sash.

Also cal's looks to me like some really awkward-looking rock thing that might secretly be a ninja. (I mean, it's so fast anyways with that awkward build.)
 
Slowking Lover said:
If making up new abilities are allowed, I would certainly like to try making up a few.

1. Whiplash - Disregards the attack lock nature of Choice items
2. Cater - STAB moves increase in power by 50%
3. Boggle Down - Stat boosts travel to the next Pokémon on the switch out
4. Stabilize - This Pokémon can not receive status conditions
5. Cruncher - The effects of weather conditions on stats are 50% greater than normal

I'm trying to not make it too game breaking. I think Cater works great as an ability because Power Gem still gains an important boost as well as keeping its power balanced.
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Um those are all broken.

RyouChan said:
Dodge Reflex: Fighting attacks used against this Pokemon have their accuracy decreased by 25%.


Just something unbroken but still a tiny bit useful. % could be played with a bit. He has papery defense, so giving him a chance to live through a strong fighting move that he wouldn't normally.. You know, without Focus Sash.

Also cal's looks to me like some really awkward-looking rock thing that might secretly be a ninja. (I mean, it's so fast anyways with that awkward build.)
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Errrrr broken. Well, maybe not, but still it doesn't need a new ability.
 
Technician could also help to make up for some of the movepool disrepetencies. I can't think of a non-fanboy reason why something like Cadalborg's EIS should get moves like Aura Sphere and Flamethrower - they just don't fit in with the flavour of the art.
Of course, this is not my choice, but all I am trying to say is that with Technician, we can effectively give the Rockmon a 90 base power special move of any type (HP 60 + 1.5x tech boost). This will give it amazing variety and allow it to run a very wide and varied set of attacks, while at the same time not overpowering its own STAB moves to anything over 90 base power.
 
levitate
compound eyes
inner focus
tinted lens
technician
Rock Head
Sand Veil (I don't by any means want this, just seems like it'd fit)
Steadfast

All of those seem like they'd fit IMO :S
 
If we go with Levitate, we can not have a second ability.
And do NOT say Bronzong. That was a cleverly-designed ability duality and it does not count.
That is all.
 
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