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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 9 (Ability Poll 1)
- Thread starter tennisace
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Technician
Sniper
They just... felt right, I guess.
Side Poll 2: YES!
Sniper
They just... felt right, I guess.
Side Poll 2: YES!
Aftermath
Levitate
Side poll 2: Yes
I wrote a hell long a description, but i got disconnected while posting it and it all disapeared:(
To shorten it: Please don't vote for Technician/Intimidate. And it need something to hit togekiss good, so vote for a new move.
Thank you
EDIT: Well, Fishin wrote a good post about why technichian shouldn't be chosen, and if we give it intimidate it will have amazing speed, SpA and SpD in a sandstorm. It have above avarage hp, and even though its attack sucks with intimidate it can easily switch in on a physical moves that ain't super effective and moves it resist won't do jack.
maybe more to come....
Levitate
Side poll 2: Yes
I wrote a hell long a description, but i got disconnected while posting it and it all disapeared:(
To shorten it: Please don't vote for Technician/Intimidate. And it need something to hit togekiss good, so vote for a new move.
Thank you
EDIT: Well, Fishin wrote a good post about why technichian shouldn't be chosen, and if we give it intimidate it will have amazing speed, SpA and SpD in a sandstorm. It have above avarage hp, and even though its attack sucks with intimidate it can easily switch in on a physical moves that ain't super effective and moves it resist won't do jack.
maybe more to come....
Levitate
Clear Body
No New Move.
Clear Body
No New Move.
Tennis is acting completely within the scope of his powers as the TL of the project. The process makes it clear that almost all aspects of polls are controlled by the TL.
CAP Process Guide: TL Responsibilities for Polls said:
Except in certain polls, where the slate of options is predetermined (Typing, BSR ranges, etc.) the TL determines the slate of options. Using the discussion thread for input, the TL should use their best judgement to determine the voting slate based primarily on the following two factors:
1) Community support for options
2) Avoiding broken or unreasonable options
With this in mind, tennisace has not done anything improper or unfair. This slate of abilities may not be perfect to everyone, adn you may not agree with his judgement. But I don't think tennisace is abusing his power as TL.
Mold Breaker
Levitate
No new move
I feel that new abilities and moves really detract from the CAP, when we introduce new game elements we are not creating a pokemon, we are creating a game. Stick with what we already have, there are countless possible combinations of abilities, moves, stats, ect. No reason to start making brand new stuff.
Levitate
No new move
I feel that new abilities and moves really detract from the CAP, when we introduce new game elements we are not creating a pokemon, we are creating a game. Stick with what we already have, there are countless possible combinations of abilities, moves, stats, ect. No reason to start making brand new stuff.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Aldaron
I'm still very upset, tennisace, that you decided to monopolize this project by completely ignoring the requests of various individuals in regards to Tinted Lens.
This is the community's project, not tennisace's.
(end of Aldaron quote)
Tennis is acting completely within the scope of his powers as the TL of the project. The process makes it clear that almost all aspects of polls are controlled by the TL.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat CAP Process Guide: TL Responsibilities for Polls
(end of CAP quote)
- Determine voting style for polls
- Record and interpret the results of all polls
- Determine the necessity and format for secondary or spillover polls
- Determine the slate of submissions for certain polls
Except in certain polls, where the slate of options is predetermined (Typing, BSR ranges, etc.) the TL determines the slate of options. Using the discussion thread for input, the TL should use their best judgement to determine the voting slate based primarily on the following two factors:
1) Community support for options
2) Avoiding broken or unreasonable options
With this in mind, tennisace has not done anything improper or unfair. This slate of abilities may not be perfect to everyone, adn you may not agree with his judgement. But I don't think tennisace is abusing his power as TL.
Maybe tennisace hasn't abused his powers as TL, but then I would like to hear the reason for why Adaptibility is not on the list, but Technician still is?
Bacause of AncientPower? Techinican will do almost the exact thing as Adaptibility acutally it would do more to the STAB moves: 1.5x1.5=2.25 instead of Adaptibilitys 2x only. And Adaptibility would only affect the STAB moves not ALL moves under 60BS.
If Ancientpower would be the only problem, then it would be so much easier to just not include it in the movepool. We would still have Power Gem and HP [Rock] with 70/60 BP (60 for Technician boost). With Adaptibility Power Gem would have a power of 140 or you could say a move with ~93BP + STAB (Almost the same as Psychic or Aura Sphere, and they have additional effects). Would this be broken?
So my main question here is to tennisace: Why is Technician on the list but Adaptibility is not?
Edith: Added the info about 2.25x and 2x.
Head Smash, probably.
Who said we needed to give this thing Head Smash?? It could have Explosion instead if we want it to have a move to kill of Blissey.
Sniper
Technician
Side Poll 2: Yes! Meteor Shower!!!!!!!!
Technician
Side Poll 2: Yes! Meteor Shower!!!!!!!!
More so because it only supports Power Gem/New Rock move.
Don't forget SS Weather ball. But thats its STAB moves, the moves that almost always will be in its moveset. It would almost always be useful as an ability. Adaptibility has plenty of use, compared to abilitys like Inner Focus, for a pokemon with 130 BS speed.
Gothic Togekiss is right about that. I would like to hear the reason for them not to be included to.
Technician
Inner Focus
Side Poll 2: No
Technician for supporting the pre-existing options for STAB, not just Ancientpower, a pokemon that can viably use hidden power as its only STAB would be interesting too.
Especially without egg moves, it would be nice to see it's move pool diversified with some good 60BP moves that hardly ever get used. Just from the TMs theres Water Pulse, Shockwave and Giga Drain.
If Ancientpower is That broken prove it with some damage calcs after a boost please.
Inner Focus doesn't have a chance I know. Don't really want to vote for Levitate until Technician has a clear win. Aftermath is also good but see Hyra's last post in the ability discussion thread for why Aftermath requires new moves/stat boost moves.
ECHOED.
I also join voices with the others who want to hear tennis' reasoning why several abilities that got support in the discussion thread were dropped for Intimidate and Pressure.
Inner Focus
Side Poll 2: No
Technician for supporting the pre-existing options for STAB, not just Ancientpower, a pokemon that can viably use hidden power as its only STAB would be interesting too.
Especially without egg moves, it would be nice to see it's move pool diversified with some good 60BP moves that hardly ever get used. Just from the TMs theres Water Pulse, Shockwave and Giga Drain.
If Ancientpower is That broken prove it with some damage calcs after a boost please.
Inner Focus doesn't have a chance I know. Don't really want to vote for Levitate until Technician has a clear win. Aftermath is also good but see Hyra's last post in the ability discussion thread for why Aftermath requires new moves/stat boost moves.
ECHOED.
I also join voices with the others who want to hear tennis' reasoning why several abilities that got support in the discussion thread were dropped for Intimidate and Pressure.
You want reasoning? Here's my reasoning then. I felt that there was more opposition for tinted lens than support for it. Same with Adaptability, more negatives than positives. Not because I thought it would be "broken", or that I just didn't want them in there (though I am against them on a voting level, I'm not denying that). I tried to make the list by how much support the abilities had. Before Aldaron and co jump all over me for Intimidate and Pressure, I considered them to have more support than opposition. The time to say that was in the thread. If you had all given me large posts on why it should have made the poll, then I would have added it. However, there seemed to be more people against them than for them. That's the inherent flaw with the ability poll: I have to subjectively pick a slate of options. If I just said that any ability was eligible, new abilities that may or may not have fit would be excluded, and an ability like Shadow Tag would win, no matter how broken it is. If I do a poll before a poll, that defeats the purpose of having a discussion thread, and created abilities would again get shafted, unless they were entered early on into the poll. Really, I'm sorry the ability you supported didn't make it. I'm not claiming my judgment to be perfect. I'm not saying I was completely right for leaving them off. What's important now is that I did leave them off, and gave you a list to pick from. Next time, I'll show my list during the discussion thread to make sure I didn't leave any out.
Edit: @Mekkah- This is just a "should we bother with making a new move" poll. If people want a new move, then we'll come up with one. It doesn't guarantee that it will make it to the movepool. If people change their minds, I won't force them to use it in the movepool. It was just a "should I bother" poll, like X-Act mentioned earlier. The gender poll was needed for the spriters though, and for the movepool, since now this won't get any egg moves at all.
Deleted my eariler post to add some more into, now it's time for a repost.
Petope, you should also add the fact that Magnet Pull & Tinted Lens had plenty of support from members but was replaced by Intimidate, an ability that didn't even get any support with the ability discussion. Intimidate had only one supporter and his name is LOLMUDKIPZ, everyone that mentioned it was either 1) Listing it for flavor purposes which did not meant that they were support for a certian ability or 2) Wanted a special version of it. Magnet Pull was a reasonable and non-broken ability that gain a support throughout the thread, while Tinted Len had hella support from everyone. Both had enough support though to make it to the poll respectively, but did they?
To be fair with the TL, he did mentioned something about Tinted Lens being broken, but in that same vein he also mentioned several other abilities (Mold Breaker an Technician) being broken that still made it here. His method in choosing abilities for this poll seem flawed, but he's human we can't completely penalize him for that. *shrug*
Petope, you should also add the fact that Magnet Pull & Tinted Lens had plenty of support from members but was replaced by Intimidate, an ability that didn't even get any support with the ability discussion. Intimidate had only one supporter and his name is LOLMUDKIPZ, everyone that mentioned it was either 1) Listing it for flavor purposes which did not meant that they were support for a certian ability or 2) Wanted a special version of it. Magnet Pull was a reasonable and non-broken ability that gain a support throughout the thread, while Tinted Len had hella support from everyone. Both had enough support though to make it to the poll respectively, but did they?
To be fair with the TL, he did mentioned something about Tinted Lens being broken, but in that same vein he also mentioned several other abilities (Mold Breaker an Technician) being broken that still made it here. His method in choosing abilities for this poll seem flawed, but he's human we can't completely penalize him for that. *shrug*
Head Smashing a Blissey would essentially be using explosion. Assuming Max satk and speed, a 6atk LO adaptibility Head Smash does 374-441 damage to Bold Max defence bliss. That guarantees a 2HKO, but with only 321 HP and Head Smash's 1/2 recoil, KOing that Blissey WILL KO you, and just 1 Head Smash horribly cripples your pokemon. For the lulz, Max attack CB Adaptibility Head Smash does 659-775 damage, which will probably KO, but will certainly KO you.
So Adaptibility Head Smash is probably not broken.
Probably less broken because it is not 100% accurate.
Just because the Topic Leader is human does not mean we should ignore events like this where part of the community is utterly ignored at the discretion of a single person who simply had the privilege to be chosen as the overseer of the process.
Perhaps we should consider changes in the process for the future to prevent events like this, such as by declaring that any ability with a certain amount of nominators makes it to the poll.
Alas for Adaptability...
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