Choice Specs Dragonite

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Precognition

Introduction: For about a year now, I've been utilizing my self-created sets. So far, I haven't encountered a single team that is capable of countering this Dragonite set.

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Dragonite (M) @ Choice Specs
Name: Choice Specs
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Rash Nature (+SAtk, -SDef)
-Draco Meteor
-Thunder
-Focus Punch/Superpower
- Hidden Power [Grass]


Why this set deserves to be on this site
-Breaks stall teams
-Has very few counters

Damage Calculations
According to the Smogon Damage Calculator, this Dragonite
-Deals 83.5% - 98.7% to Wish-Support Vaporeon set(one of the most sp. def oriented bulky water types in OU) with Thunder
-OHKOs(107.7% - 127.7%) Standard Lead-Swampert with Hidden Power Grass
-Deals 70.6% - 83.2% to Cleric Blissey with Focus Punch(OHKOS in some cases if Blissey's evs are spread for Sp. Atk)
-Deals 66.8% - 78.7% to Curselax with Focus Punch
-Deals 56.3% - 66.4% to Cresselia with Draco Meteor
-OHKOS Skarmory with Thunder(no Damage Calculator necessary)
-Deals 76.6% - 90.1% to Physically Defensive Forretress with Thunder
-Deals 54% - 63.6% to Metagross with Thunder
-Deals 63% - 74.3% to Choice Banded Scizor with Thunder


Additional Comments: If you read smogon's Dragonite analysis and scroll down to the section that lists the counters to Dragonite, the list includes: Cresselia, Scizor and Swampert. All of the pokemon mentioned on the list take more than 50% from Dragonite. Focus Punch/Close Combat are essential as it renders special walls useless against it. Close combat is an obviously more viable option because it has a less-crippling drawback, but if you're confident in your prediction skills, then focus punch is playable for you.

Also: This set is only recommended towards experienced players who can utilize it to its full potential with good prediction skills.

Teammates: Wish support, cleric/heal bell partners and rapid spinners maximize this set's effectiveness.

Counters: I have yet to discover a commonly used pokemon that would counter this set. Maybe pokemon with bizarre ev-spreads, but that would make them less useful towards other purposes.

Other Options: Aqua Tail or Fireblast. Dragonite's huge movepool of special moves is always great to explore and experiment.

As always, I thank you for your time and I hope you look at this set with complete objectiveness and clarity.

~Precognition
 
Is it really that hard to format your sets correctly? Last time you tried to color-code it, now it's all underlined. We can read, thank you.

Why is Thunder on this set? Its accuracy is god-awful, I'd rather use Thunderbolt. And according to your calcs, Thunder isn't even a guaranteed OHKO on Vaporeon, so its just not worth it. And not only that your using Thunder to try and hit Metagross and Scizor? More often than not, you'll miss and they'll own you with Meteor Mash/Bullet Punch.

Teammates aren't even needed? I highly doubt that.

No counters? Bronzong comes to mind...
 
The move-set on this should be something like:

-Draco Meteor
-Dragon Pulse
-Thunderbolt/Surf/Fire Blast
-Superpower/Focus Punch

However, I believe there used to be a Specs Dragonite that looked like this on site, and it was removed due to Salamence completely outclassing Dragonite. I suppose this can be placed on-site again, since it has no competition for a set like this outside of Flygon or Kingdra, who have inferior special attack and lack of access to Focus Punch, Thunderbolt, Fire Blast (in Kingdra's case), or Superpower.

Naive should be slashed, by the way.

Edit: Ya, I'm kind of agreeing with RL on this one. Dragonite's mix set outclasses this because it can actually use Roost and can switch between moves freely. Bulky waters don't counter LO Dragonite if you hit them with Thunderbolt on the switch.
 
Focus Punch is not a good choice. Without a Sub or Spore, it will have little chance of hitting. Thunder is not reliable enough. Thunderbolt has more accuracy.
 
Choice Specs Dragonite was removed from the analysis not because of Salamence, but because 4Xs SR weak pokemon utilizing a Choice locked move with a Drawback (Draco Meteor) sucks. This set is outclassed by Mixnite and Choice Band Dragonite. Yeah, it is decent with prediction if you can keep Rapid Spin going, however Dragonite doesn't get all that many opportunities to switch in to begin with. This will probably stay Other Options where it belongs.
 
May I ask why not Fire Blast? Dragon + Fire covers pretty much everything bar Heatran, so you could try Surf as well, which has good coverage too. Also Thunder is worse outside of Ubers, you should use Thunderbolt.
 
Most Gengar sets use Focus Blast(70% Accuracy).

I think Thunder is passible.

And the reason I would use it so often is because
a) Steel types(Scizor, Metagross, Skarmory) are resistant to Draco Meteor, so a neutral, powerful attack would be useful.
b) It OHKOs/2HKOs most bulky water types.

Also, not OHKOing vaporeon doesn't necessarily make thunder useless. From what I understand, most dragonite sets out speed vaporeon, so you can just proceed to using thunder in succession.
 
RaikouLover said:
Choice Specs Dragonite was removed from the analysis not because of Salamence, but because 4Xs SR weak pokemon utilizing a Choice locked move with a Drawback (Draco Meteor) sucks. This set is outclassed by Mixnite and Choice Band Dragonite. Yeah, it is decent with prediction if you can keep Rapid Spin going, however Dragonite doesn't get all that many opportunities to switch in to begin with. This will probably stay Other Options where it belongs.
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MixNite is completely countered by a lot of bulky water pokemon.

And Dragonite only has a 2X stealth rock weakness.
 
Royal Flush said:
May I ask why not Fire Blast? Dragon + Fire covers pretty much everything bar Heatran, so you could try Surf as well, which has good coverage too. Also Thunder is worse outside of Ubers, you should use Thunderbolt.
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Thunder for bulky water pokemon, the most notable counters to Dragonite.

EDIT: I'm very sorry for the triple posts.
 
If you were really sorry you'd use the edit button! Also, I'm almost positive that Bronzong and Jirachi counter this set. That being said, Draco Meteor hits and 2HKOes bulky Waters; Fire Blast definitely has more utility.
 
First off, let me say that SpecsMence was recently booted by QC. That may not be a big deal for the OU metagame, but it says a lot about the viability of this set. SpecsMence outclasses SpecsNite in a number of ways:

- Better Special Attack
- Better Speed
- Hydro Pump

However, it sucks for these reasons:

- SR Weak
- Pursuit Bait after using Draco Meteor
- SR Weak
- Mixed LO does the job better
- SR FUCKING WEAK

For a Pokemon that has to come in over and over without any form of healing and basically MUST switch out after it uses any move, SR weakness is huge.

Also... Focus Punch? Thunder? These are terrible moves for a specs set. Focus Punch requires godly prediction to be effective, and Thunder is just a terrible move in general. Oh, and before you give me the whole "focus blast is used" dealio, Gengar *needs* Focus Blast because it's the only viable option versus Tyranitar and Blissey.

This is a terrible set. It can't come in much, it doesn't have the pure power needed to do its job, it's slow, and it's SR WEAK OH MY GOD WHY DOES NOBODY NOTICE HOW BAD CHOICED SR WEAK POKEMON ARE (unless you are cb gyarados which i give a free pass to), and all this means it's simply a set that can't do much.

QC REJECTED (1/3)
 
Mixnite actually 2HKOs all bulky waters with Draco Meteor with Stealth Rock Support. Vaporeon can attempt to gain a greater chance of survival with a Protect, but ehhh. This set does nothing that Mixnite or Choice Band don't do better.

EDIT: SDS

(unless you are cb gyarados (and CB Dragonite :))which i give a free pass to),
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Seems to me that HP Grass is redundant outside the antilead position, with Thunder/bolt, so that should definitely be replaced by a Fire move, probably Flamethrower.
As RaikouLover pointed out, this is going to need Rapid Spin support.
I definitely like the idea, with Salamence gone there are so many fewer steels around, and basically it accomplishes the same thing with Specs Meteor as Band Outrage, but without (in my opinion) as big a drawback.
I mean against stuff like Vaporeon, Draco Meteor does 73.2% - 86.4%, which means it is KOd by the second Meteor.
And against Scizor, 55.1% - 64.7% on the first one. There is a serious possibility of KOing it with the second Meteor.
It does slightly less to Heatran, 51.1% - 60.4%, but there is still a slight possibility of a 2HKO. Makes me want to tell you to put a Spiker in the Teammates section.
And 47% - 55.2% to max/min Metagross still hurts.
 
Outrage may suck, but CB has a lot more going for it. CB ExtremeSpeed is only slightly less powerful than Scizor's CB Bullet Punch, giving it a lot of revenge killing potential even though its speed is quite subpar. Even then, CB Dragonite is still iffy, and considering that it's significantly better than Specs (better Attack, more reliability, Extremespeed), that pretty much seals the deal.
 
If you're going to run this set, at least take advantage of Dragonite's amazing Dragon+Fire+Fighting coverage.

-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Superpower
-Dragon Pulse

And meh, don't overhype the set too much. There's no such thing as an "uncounterable" set. Especially on a base 80 speed pokemon with base 100 SpA. Calculations are misleading if you're always using the best move possible against every switch in (and on a Specs set, no less).
 
Seven Deadly Sins said:
First off, let me say that SpecsMence was recently booted by QC. That may not be a big deal for the OU metagame, but it says a lot about the viability of this set. SpecsMence outclasses SpecsNite in a number of ways:

- Better Special Attack
- Better Speed
- Hydro Pump

However, it sucks for these reasons:

- SR Weak
- Pursuit Bait after using Draco Meteor
- SR Weak
- Mixed LO does the job better
- SR FUCKING WEAK

For a Pokemon that has to come in over and over without any form of healing and basically MUST switch out after it uses any move, SR weakness is huge.

Also... Focus Punch? Thunder? These are terrible moves for a specs set. Focus Punch requires godly prediction to be effective, and Thunder is just a terrible move in general. Oh, and before you give me the whole "focus blast is used" dealio, Gengar *needs* Focus Blast because it's the only viable option versus Tyranitar and Blissey.

This is a terrible set. It can't come in much, it doesn't have the pure power needed to do its job, it's slow, and it's SR WEAK OH MY GOD WHY DOES NOBODY NOTICE HOW BAD CHOICED SR WEAK POKEMON ARE (unless you are cb gyarados which i give a free pass to), and all this means it's simply a set that can't do much.

QC REJECTED (1/3)
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QC REJECTED (2/3)
 
If I'm not wrong, I think Thunder is even LESS accurate in sunlight...
Why out of everything would you think that is a good idea. Even if sun teams aren't common they are not completely nonexistent. If Dragonite needs such an unreliable move to round out his set then that should be a sign that something's wrong.

Saying specs Dragonite is uncounterable is like saying that my Calm Mind+Rest Bronzong set is uncounterable in that in retrospect it blatantly is not, but I admit it.

Also, the reason why Gengar has Focus Blast is because it hits its counters for Supereffective. Thunder does not and it is even less reliable than Focus Blast in my opinion this set is outclassed by any levitating Specs user out there with higher speed and the same Special attack stat with a relatively high base power STAB move. Dragon may not be resisted by much, but off of a 100 Base power Sp Atk stat its not scaring much either.
 
DNite is just too slow and too weak on the special side to be locked into an attack. I can see situations where this set would work, but I really see virtually no advantage over CB Nite, other than avoiding outrage lock.

It's really too bad, too, because "Stunna Glasses @ Nite" would have made a great set name
 
I think my colleague Seven Deadly Sins covered pretty much all the points that needed to be mentioned. I reject this set as well. Locking.
 
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