Pet Mod Clean Slate Micro 2

[woo]

Chi-Yu

Flash Fire / Poison Heal
60/80/80/90/80/90 480 BST)
+U-Turn, Recover
Stallbreaker, Offensive Pivot, Special Wallbreaker


Quaxly (NOT eviolite compatible)

Torrent / Technician
60/90/70/80/70/105 (485 BST)
+Close Combat
Physical Wallbreaker

 

[anaconja]

Name of the Pokemon: Ceruledge
Role(s): Physical Wallbreaker, Stallbreaker (Setup)
Type:

Abilities: Flash Fire / Sharpness
Stat Distribution: 85 / 100 / 80 / 60 / 100 / 75 | 500
Movepool Additions: Leaf Blade, Grassy Glide, Trop Kick, Giga Drain, Synthesis, Ceaseless Edge
Movepool Removals: Close Combat, Brick Break
Custom Elements: Bitter Blade is now Ghost-type and 75 BP
Justification: checks fires, omastar, and sandy shocks with ff or breaks through walls by sd sharpness-boosted stabs. checked by overqwil and fires.

sets

Defensive (Ceruledge) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Grass / Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Leaf Blade / Tera Blast / Ceaseless Edge
- Bitter Blade
- Synthesis
- Will-O-Wisp

Offensive (Ceruledge) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Fighting / Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Bitter Blade
- Flare Blitz / Tera Blast
- Swords Dance

Name of the Pokemon: Dondozo
Role(s): Mixed Wall, Defensive Pivot, Set-up Sweeper
Type:

Abilities: Earth Eater / Water Veil / Protosynthesis
Stat Distribution: 150 / 80 / 65 / 60 / 65 / 80 | 500
Movepool Additions: Dragon Tail, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Swords Dance, Superpower, Stone Edge, Iron Head, Flip Turn
Custom Elements: Order Up now boosts the user's highest stat
Justification: its like sd + scale shot but you dont rely on rng and dont lower your defense. definitely slow to set up considering low offenses though

sets

Defensive (Dondozo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Dragon Tail
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Flip Turn

Offensive (Dondozo) @ Leftovers / Booster Energy
Ability: Earth Eater / Water Veil / Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Order Up
- Superpower / Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance

 

[Regic Boat]

funny how the first CS slate ever with gen 9 mons was slate 9


Name of the Pokemon: Iron Thorns
Role(s): Trapper, Stallbreaker, Hazard Setter, Physical Wallbreaker, Electric Terrain Abuser, Hazard Setter (Stealth Rock, Spikes)
Type:

Abilities: Quark Drive / Pressure / Oblivious
Stat Distribution: 80 / 135 / 70 / 95 / 80 / 85
Movepool Additions: Rumbling
Movepool Removals: Dragon Dance
Custom Elements: Rumbling: Ground type physical magma storm.
Justification: wip!

 

[G-Luke]

Name of the Pokemon: Spidops
Role(s): Physical Wallbreaker, Hazard Setter (Spikes, Toxic Spikes), Trapper? (Stakeout / Sand Tomb?)
Type:

Abilities: Insomnia | HA: Stakeout
Stat Distribution: 90 HP / 100 Atk / 92 Def / 52 SpA / 86 SpD / 60 Spe | BST: 482
Movepool Additions: Superpower, Cross Chop, Heal Order, Infestation, Swords Dance, Rock Slide, Sand Tomb, Drain Punch
Movepool Removals: Sticky Web, Throat Chop
Justification: Wallops Virizion and Solrock after a Swords Dance, and it has a mean First Impression that can annoy some of the faster threats in the tier. Can set spikes relatively well due to the amount of switches it can force Can carry Rock Slide on some sets for Talonflame, but doesn't do much of anything versus Aegislash, unless you drop really good moveslots for Sand Tomb, and even that is shaky at best.

Name of the Pokemon: Armarogue
Role(s): Stallbreaker, Set Up Sweeper (Contrary / Calm Mind)
Type:

Abilities: Mega Launcher | HA: Contrary
Stat Distribution: 80 HP / 75 Atk / 85 Def / 105 SpA / 70 SpD / 80 Spe | BST: 495
Movepool Additions: Superpower, Calm Mind, Body Press, Recover, Taunt
Movepool Removals: All Fire type moves sans Flamethrower and Armor Cannon
Justification: Armarogue operates as a Stallbreaker by either setting up with Calm Mind and hitting with Mega Launcher boosted coverage or utilize it's multiple Contrary options to serve as a fun Stored Power sweeper, like a discount Cosmic Power Mew. Carries Taunt + Recovery to halt stallbuilds as well.

 

[earl]

Input time! If I dont mention it its chill

Chi-Yu

Flash Fire / Poison Heal
80/80/80/90/80/90 (500 BST)
+U-Turn, Recover
Stallbreaker, Offensive Pivot, Special Wallbreaker


Quaxly

Torrent / Technician
60/90/70/80/70/105 (485 BST)
+Close Combat
Physical Wallbreaker

Fishe: It's important to note how weak this meta actually is. With that bulk+Poison Heal it can geniunely just 6-0 slower teams. Some bulk reduction should be good.
Ducke: Is this eviolite compatible?

Name of the Pokemon: Ceruledge
Role(s): Physical Wallbreaker, Stallbreaker (Setup)
Type:

Abilities: Flash Fire / Sharpness
Stat Distribution: 85 / 100 / 80 / 60 / 100 / 75 | 500
Movepool Additions: Leaf Blade, Grassy Glide, Trop Kick, Giga Drain, Synthesis, Ceaseless Edge
Movepool Removals: Close Combat, Brick Break
Custom Elements: Bitter Blade is now Ghost-type and 75 BP
Justification: checks fires, omastar, and sandy shocks with ff or breaks through walls by sd sharpness-boosted stabs. checked by overqwil and fires.

sets

Defensive (Ceruledge) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Tera Type: Grass / Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Leaf Blade / Tera Blast / Ceaseless Edge
- Bitter Blade
- Synthesis
- Will-O-Wisp

Offensive (Ceruledge) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sharpness
Tera Type: Fighting / Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Bitter Blade
- Flare Blitz / Tera Blast
- Swords Dance

Name of the Pokemon: Dondozo
Role(s): Mixed Wall, Defensive Pivot, Set-up Sweeper
Type:

Abilities: Earth Eater / Water Veil / Protosynthesis
Stat Distribution: 150 / 80 / 65 / 60 / 65 / 80 | 500
Movepool Additions: Dragon Tail, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Swords Dance, Superpower, Stone Edge, Iron Head, Flip Turn
Custom Elements: Order Up now boosts the user's highest stat
Justification: its like sd + scale shot but you dont rely on rng and dont lower your defense. definitely slow to set up considering low offenses though

sets

Defensive (Dondozo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Dragon Tail
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Flip Turn

Offensive (Dondozo) @ Leftovers / Booster Energy
Ability: Earth Eater / Water Veil / Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Order Up
- Superpower / Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance

Knife Guy: Sharp Leaf Blade seems slightly too overtuned when you take into account the coverage? Idk just feels a bit too safe, needs something removed

funny how the first CS slate ever with gen 9 mons was slate 9


Name of the Pokemon: Iron Thorns
Role(s): Trapper, Stallbreaker, Hazard Setter, Physical Wallbreaker, Electric Terrain Abuser, Hazard Setter (Stealth Rock, Spikes)
Type:

Abilities: Quark Drive / Pressure / Oblivious
Stat Distribution: 80 / 135 / 70 / 95 / 80 / 85
Movepool Additions: Rumbling, Recover
Movepool Removals: Dragon Dance
Custom Elements: Rumbling: Ground type physical magma storm.
Justification: wip!

Simply too much stats when you take into account recover

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Name of the Pokemon: Spidops
Role(s): Physical Wallbreaker, Hazard Setter (Spikes, Toxic Spikes), Trapper? (Stakeout / Sand Tomb?)
Type:

Abilities: Insomnia | HA: Stakeout
Stat Distribution: 90 HP / 109 Atk / 92 Def / 52 SpA / 86 SpD / 60 Spe | BST: 491
Movepool Additions: Superpower, Cross Chop, Heal Order, Infestation, Swords Dance, Rock Slide, Sand Tomb
Movepool Removals: Sticky Web, Throat Chop
Justification: Wallops Virizion and Solrock after a Swords Dance, and it has a mean First Impression that can annoy some of the faster threats in the tier. Can set spikes relatively well due to the amount of switches it can force Can carry Rock Slide on some sets for Talonflame, but doesn't do much of anything versus Aegislash, unless you drop really good moveslots for Sand Tomb, and even that is shaky at best.

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Name of the Pokemon: Armarogue
Role(s): Stallbreaker, Set Up Sweeper (Contrary / Calm Mind)
Type:

Abilities: Mega Launcher | HA: Contrary
Stat Distribution: 80 HP / 75 Atk / 100 Def / 105 SpA / 70 SpD / 80 Spe | BST: 510
Movepool Additions: Superpower, Calm Mind, Body Press, Recover, Taunt
Movepool Removals: All Fire type moves sans Flamethrower and Armor Cannon
Justification: Armarogue operates as a Stallbreaker by either setting up with Calm Mind and hitting with Mega Launcher boosted coverage or utilize it's multiple Contrary options to serve as a fun Stored Power sweeper, like a discount Cosmic Power Mew. Carries Taunt + Recovery to halt stallbuilds as well.

Ass Spider: Stakeout FImp at that attack just feels way too strong personally cuz it always does insane damage in the right position. 100 base would make me feel more comfortable.
Mega Man: Recovery+Bulk+Cosmic Cannon is too much imho


more subs please <3

 

[Tuthur]

Name of the Pokemon: Bombirdier
Role(s): Stallbreaker
Type:

Abilities: Technician
Stat Distribution: 115 / 115 / 60 / 55 / 60 / 65 | 470
Movepool Additions: Noxious Torque, Salt Cure
Justification: Bombirdier gathers amazing traits to break through defensive core. Technician Dual Wingbeat is a powerful STAB move with a great neutral coverage on the metagame and almost no drawback. Noxious Torque is another strong STAB move that spreads poison, making it easier for Bombirdier and its teammates to break through their common checks. Likewise, Salt Cure and Knock Off help versus Rock- and Steel-types like Aegislash and Onix that resist both of Bombirdier's STAB moves and are overall excellent moves to cripple opposing walls. With its great bulk, access to reliable recovery, and poison immunity, Bombirdier proves to be quite hard to take out for bulkier foes. However, its low Speed tier and common weaknesses mean that offensive teams can force it out effectively, while its Speed tier is good enough to outspeed most walls and its great Attack stats make it hard to switch into.

potential set

Bombirdier @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dual Wingbeat
- Noxious Torque
- Salt Cure / Knock Off
- Roost

Name of the Pokemon: Scream Tail
Role(s): Slow Wallbreaker, Pseudo Trapper
Type:

Abilities: Stakeout
Stat Distribution: 100 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 80 / 40 | 460
Movepool Additions: Fleur Cannon, Moonblast
Movepool Removals: Psychic, Psybeam, Psyshock, Thunder, Thunderbolt, Thunder Punch
Justification: Scream Tail is a slow and bulky wallbreaker, an archetype CSM2 doesn't have. Stakeout is a very interesting ability that can pseudo trap specially frail foes with the fear of powerful STAB Fleur Cannon. Scream Tail does however struggle to make progress versus sturdy Fairy resists like Talonflame and Aegislash even if it can make significant progress versus them with Boomburst and Flamethrower, respectively, which both are moves, Scream Tail doesn't really want to lock into.

potential set

Scream Tail @ Choice Specs
Ability: Stakeout
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fleur Cannon
- Flamethrower
- Boomburst
- Moonblast / Trick

 

[Scoopapa]

Free slot rn, not sure if I will have time to do the other.


Name of the Pokemon: Toedscruel
Role(s): Offensive Pivot, Hazard setter, Hazard Removal, Revenge Killer,
Type:

Abilities: Lingering Aroma / Opportunist | Mycellium Might (HA)
Stat Distribution: 80 / 80 / 80 / 80 / 80 / 135 | 535
Movepool Additions: Recover, Aromatherapy, Close Combat, Aura Sphere, Focus Blast, Moonblast, Play Rough, U-turn
Movepool Removals: Spore, Stun Spore, Leaf Storm,
Justification: My brain isn't working very well rn but this seems like it could be fun. Speed tier lets it run +SpA or +Atk nature. If nothing else it will enjoy setting hazards, using choice items, and checking Onix (which I agree looks insane).

 

[Mintly]

Name of the Pokemon: Slither Wing
Role(s): Stallbreaker, Set-Up Sweeper, Offensive Pivot
Type:

Abilities: Poison Heal
Stat Distribution: 75/105/69/75/95/51 | BST - 470
Movepool Additions: Victory Dance
Justification: Slither Wing abuses Victory Dance setup on stall switch-outs to bulldoze over any offensive presence. Bug and Fighting STAB combo either threatens or is unresisted by most defensive and stall threats (Komala, Aegislash and Talonflame being exceptions). Allowing Slither Wing to hold Toxic Orb grants pseudo-immunity to Burn and Paralysis.

Name of the Pokemon: Smeargle
Role(s): Team Glue
Type:

Abilities: Intimidate | Technician | Hustle
Stat Distribution: 75/60/65/60/65/95 | BST - 420
Custom Elements: Sketch - Can only sketch once from a limited set of moves.

Sketchable Moves

Bonemerang, Court Change, Ceasless Edge, Diamond Storm, Dire Claw, Explosion, Extreme Speed, Fiery Dance, Fishious Rend, Haze, Heal Bell, Healing Wish, Jet Punch, Lovely Kiss, Memento, Milk Drink, Mortal Spin, No Retreat, Obstruct, Parting Shot, Precipice Blades, Revival Blessing, Shift Gear, Silk Trap, Stealth Rock, Stone Axe, Tailwind, Tidy Up, Triple Dive, Wicked Blow

Justification: Oh God. WIP

 

[earl]

Votes open tomorrow. Mintly I don't really think the burn heal ability is mechanically different enough from Poison Heal to be worth a custom

 

[Cookie Butter]

Name of the Pokemon: Iron Hands
Role(s): Stallbreaker, Physical Wallbreaker
Type: Fighting / Electric
Abilities: Purifying Salt / Technician
Stat Distribution: 130/120/60/40/60/60 (470)
Movepool Additions: Salt Cure, Thunder Wave, Knock Off, Smelling Salts
Movepool Removals: Close Combat, Earthquake
Custom Elements: Smelling Salts brought back, changed to Fighting-type and doesn't cure paralysis anymore.
Justification: A straightforward Purifying Salt user. Go-to moves are T-Wave, Knock Off, or Drain Punch. T-Wave can be followed by Smelling Salts for massive damage. Salt Cure does extra damage to walls such as Aegislash, Carracosta and Lumineon. Additionally, it resists Aegislash's Ghost STAB. Technician is a more offensively-oriented option, as it increases damage done by Salt Cure, Force Palm, Arm Thrust, Bulldoze, Rock Tomb and Fake Out.

Name of the Pokemon: Farigiraf
Role(s): Speed Control, Setup Sweeper
Type: Fairy / Psychic
Abilities: Armor Tail / Cud Chew / Magician
Stat Distribution: 110/60/60/90/60/110 (490)
Custom Elements: Last Thoughts: Special, Psychic-type, Last Respects clone. Gains +10 BP and +1 Speed with each fainted party member.
Justification: Speed control for Onix and Pichu.

 

[earl]

Welp, votes are open!

My votes (this was tough):

Moretto, Tuthur, Cookie Butter

earl, Scoopapa, G-Luke

Tera: uhhhh nah

 

[G-Luke]

Stallbreaker: Moretto, Cookie Butter, Tuthur
Free Slot: anaconja, Earl, Scoopapa

Free Terastilizing! At least for the time being

 

[Squawkerz]

Stallbreaker: Moretto, G-Luke, Cookie Butter
Free Slot: anaconja, earl, G-Luke

abstaining on tera vote

 

[Ema Skye]

Stallbreaker: Moretto, Tuthur, Cookie Butter
Free slot: earl, Scoopapa, G-Luke

Tera: no

 

[earl]

votes close in 24 hours or so

 

[Scoopapa]

Stallbreaker: Moretto, G-Luke, Cookie Butter
Free Slot: earl, anaconja, Scoopapa

Tera: no

 

[Mintly]

Stallbreaker: G-Luke, Moretto, Mintly
Free Slot: anaconja, Tuthur, Mintly

Tera: yes

 

[anaconja]

stallbreaker: moretto, gluke, tuthur
free slot: anaconja, gluke, scoopapa
tera: abstain

 

[earl]

votes closed. will count later

 

[earl]

With Moretto winning the Stallbreaker slot, it's clear that Dark is probably the #1 offensive type to keep in mind when building:

Chi-Yu

Flash Fire / Poison Heal
60/80/80/90/80/90 480 BST)
+U-Turn, Recover
Stallbreaker, Offensive Pivot, Special Wallbreaker

And anaconja wins with a big old setup sweeper and/or dragon wailord. The Dragon type only gets scarier

Name of the Pokemon: Dondozo
Role(s): Mixed Wall, Defensive Pivot, Set-up Sweeper
Type:

Abilities: Earth Eater / Water Veil / Protosynthesis
Stat Distribution: 150 / 80 / 65 / 60 / 65 / 80 | 500
Movepool Additions: Dragon Tail, Draco Meteor, Dragon Pulse, Swords Dance, Superpower, Stone Edge, Iron Head, Flip Turn
Custom Elements: Order Up now boosts the user's highest stat
Justification: its like sd + scale shot but you dont rely on rng and dont lower your defense. definitely slow to set up considering low offenses though

sets

Defensive (Dondozo) @ Leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Dragon Tail
- Earthquake
- Protect
- Flip Turn

Offensive (Dondozo) @ Leftovers / Booster Energy
Ability: Earth Eater / Water Veil / Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Order Up
- Superpower / Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance

In addition, Tera is banned. Personally I think this is for the better, it will simplify balancing in the future. Mintly if you could update the sheet.

And with that, let us enter playtesting once it's all coded. Hopefully it's an enjoyable meta, and we can figure out what we lack!

 

[Scoopapa]

This mod is now coded and playable on Dragon Heaven!

 

[earl]

Alright we've played a bit and the balance issues of the mod are pretty clear:

1. In stark opposition to Clean Slate 2, Clean Slate Micro 2 is generally too frail

2. and are offensively suffocating the tier

3. There's like 1 usable ground resist rn. As a result is also pretty cracked

4. A real lack of stealth rock setters

5. Solrock got mechanically gutted for no real reason (much like zamazenta did in the actual game lol), so I'm just gonna revert Dauntless Shield to its gen 8 version

So I'd like to open the thread up to general discussion on how we can fix these problems. Do you think we can tweak some existing mons to address the tier's issues (i.e. giving one of our weaker darks Stealth Rock, making pichu part flying, etc)? Should we also be open to subbing new mons? Toss some ideas around

 

[Scoopapa]

Onix: Nerf. Onix is just statistically too strong, outdamaging and outspeeding the tier while having better bulk than some of the walls. Removing Adaptabiliy might work.

Solgaleo: Adding a Psychic type might help to deal with Solgaleo, but I think the mon could be fixed by lowering its Speed so Zangoose and maybe Omastar can outpseed it, and possibly removing Focus Blast. Intimidate gives it non-zero defensive presence, and its STABs are hard for the tier to deal with, so it doesn't need to be so fast basically.

Omastar: Most straightforward solution seems to be removing Mold Breaker, so our Ground-immune ability dudes can just work. Losing Mold Breaker means Dry Skin Carracosta is more of a problem for it, but the vast majority of what Mold Breaker is doing is causing the problem we are currently talking about. You could give it a custom that lets Water moves bypass abilities if you really wanted to.

Solrock: Reverted Dauntless should already be online.

Stealth Rock setters: Yeah 1-3 more setters couldn't hurt.

 

[G-Luke]

Tier really needs good speed control. Like I know we have the Pichu but it's very inconsistent imo. I don't think much of anything has any incentive to carry Choice Scarf in the tier rn.

 

[earl]

Tier really needs good speed control. Like I know we have the Pichu but it's very inconsistent imo. I don't think much of anything has any incentive to carry Choice Scarf in the tier rn.

Scarf Solgaleo is its best set imo but outside of that, yeah lol