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Pokémon Clefable

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I'm surprised this set hasn't been mentioned yet.

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 Def
Calm Nature
- Cosmic Power
- Moonblast
- Soft-Boiled
- Flamethrower

This set isn't meant so much for power as it is for becoming incredibly bulky and then sweeping by whittling away at the opponents pokemon. Not only that, but it's also a great special wall, so it's easy to come in and take special hits, then start boosting up. Once you get a few boosts up, it's almost impossible to KO, and it's quite easy to get boosts.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-82746695
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-82723991

These are the only replays that I saved, but this poke has been the MVP of my team and has forced countless forfeits.
 
Has anyone else been enjoying Clefable as an utility check and Stealth Rock setter? A simple set of Moonblast / (Fire Blast / Flamethrower) / Stealth Rock / Softboiled, Magic Guard, and 252 HP / 252 Def+ allows Clefable to act as a reliable SR setter and check to many threats. Clefable makes for such a great SR setter due to its ability to beat most Defog or Rapid Spin users, with Moonblast 2HKOing Lati@s and Mandibuzz, and the Fire move taking care of Excadrill, Scizor, and Skarmory, leaving only Zapdos and Mew uncovered, both of which can be taken care of with Toxic, which is a viable alternative over the Fire move. With Magic Guard and max physical bulk, Clefable deals with a multitude of Pokemon, including Rotom-W, Kyurem-B, Dragonite, Latias, Latios, Terrakion, Conkeldurr, and SpD Heatran (you can't do anything back, but you can lower its SpA with Moonblast so that another Pokemon can switch in safely). Magic Guard also makes Clefable a nice status absorber and hazard / sand damage a non issue, which is great, especially to avoid the 2HKO from certain Pokemon with SR up. You can even go with both CM and SR, as you still beat the most common Defog users, while being able to do something productive against the Pokemon you wall but can't hurt back, such as Gliscor, Heatran, Ferrothorn, Sylveon, and Slowbro.
 
I'm not sure if anyone else has taken advantage of this fact, but Clefable has Unaware. I've found that I've had great success with this set in OU:

Unaware w/ Leftovers
252HP
252Def
4spD
-Calm Mind
-Aromatherapy
-Moonblast
-Moonlight

Basically, this set can begin setup on a huge # of pokemon, due to the large number of fairy resistances. It works best against pokemon who also attempt a setup sweep, such as Haxorus(also great against most baton pass teams).
After 2-3 calm minds, more if you want, then Clefable can sweep entire teams. Aromatherapy also take care of toxic, which allows Clefable to continue setup/destruction of opponent. So far, I only know of myself as a constant user of this set, but I would like to see more of it-its like what Reuniclus was in Black/White.
 
I don't understand why people are using Moonlight over Softboiled, unless you're running a sun team. It has half as much PP and gets completely neutered by rain, sand, and hail, the former two of which are more common than sun.
 
It's understandable in the cases where you run Unaware, since Softboiled is illegal with Clefable's hidden ability.
 
I've been experimenting a bit. How about this set?

Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 120 SpA
Modest Nature
- Moonblast
- Stored Power
- Cosmic Power
- Moonlight

It works incredibly well. It's the Stored Power in combination with Cosmic Power which makes it a big fat lategame threat. And it can easily take Venusaur down since most people expect it to switch out or use Flamethrower. But doesn't that make it horribly weak against Steel types? Not if you run it along a strong Fire type like Rotom-H (in my case) or Charizard Y (which would be THE perfect teammate since the Drought boosts Moonlight).
Try it, it's really worth the strange EV spread!

P.S.: Beware of phazers though.
 
Seismic Toss on Clefable is illegal in Gen 6 from what I'm seeing on Serebii.

Soft Boiled is a move tutor from FR/LG and is only Legal on sets with Magic Guard.

Strange, Serebii doesn't have Softboiled either.
 
Well the combination is legal just hard to get. And you could have magic guard even with a gen 3 clefairy if you evolve it in gen 4 onwards or use an ability capsule.
 
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power Ground
- Calm Mind
- Soft-Boiled

Genesect is on his way out and Heatran is still as common as ever. Even though Clefable needs a couple boosts to KO the Spdef set, Heatran is no longer stopping an imminent sweep without taking significant damage. It is also more common than other fire-weak threats such as Scizor and Ferrothorn. Unless there's a huge usage shift, this set is currently the best at sweeping.
 
So I've got a clefable from fire red at lvl 100 and am wondering if I am totally unable to get moonblast on it.
Can anyone confirm that clefable does not get moonblast as a relearn option after poke bank transfer?
 
finncent1 said:
It currently has 4.432% usage in OU, meaning it's not UU.
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Pokemon are not sorted into tiers based on usage, they are sorted into tiers based on power. For example, Ditto and Slowbro are both above Landorus for usage in OU and Landorus is definitely OU while Ditto and Slowbro are niche if anything.
 
Kriptini said:
Pokemon are not sorted into tiers based on usage, they are sorted into tiers based on power. For example, Ditto and Slowbro are both above Landorus for usage in OU and Landorus is definitely OU while Ditto and Slowbro are niche if anything.
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You're actually wrong. It's based on usage. It always has been.
 
Kriptini said:
Pokemon are not sorted into tiers based on usage, they are sorted into tiers based on power. For example, Ditto and Slowbro are both above Landorus for usage in OU and Landorus is definitely OU while Ditto and Slowbro are niche if anything.
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It's based initially on usage. If something is overpowered for a lower tier, then by power it will be "banished" to the tier next up (aka BL), but pokemon can only be OU if it is overused. Landorus isn't actually OU, it's BL. But, it's banned from UU, unlike Slowbro + Ditto, so it does appear to be in a higher tier.
 
Ulevo said:
You're actually wrong. It's based on usage. It always has been.
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From Smogon's philosophy:

The "OU metagame" is the result of a search for a balanced game, where player skill, teambuilding skill, and a certain amount of luck combine to execute victory. The "OU metagame" is in no ways perfect, but it should be pointed out that 99% of multiplayer games are often plagued by imbalance and the resulting "tiers", and it is fortunate that Pokémon's detailed depth, combined with the intelligent minds of its players, working to prevent various abuses, is capable of producing a diverse and enjoyable arena. However, there is still a search for betterment—the "UU metagame" is an attempt to give a more interesting look at Pokémon that may not compete well with the stronger Pokémon of the game; on the other side of the spectrum, the "uber metagame" exists to develop an understanding of Pokémon's strongest and most brutal combatants.
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As you can see, the goal of tiers is to place Pokemon based on power. Initially, Pokemon are placed based on usage, but that's only because higher-used Pokemon are generally the more powerful ones. But the reason why suspect tests happen is because a Pokemon might be too strong/weak for its placement despite its usage statistics. Consider Charizard for example: he has always seen a fair share of OU usage in Gen V. So why is he NU and not OU? Because tiers are based on power, not usage.

finncent1 said:
It's based initially on usage. If something is overpowered for a lower tier, then by power it will be "banished" to the tier next up (aka BL), but pokemon can only be OU if it is overused. Landorus isn't actually OU, it's BL. But, it's banned from UU, unlike Slowbro + Ditto, so it does appear to be in a higher tier.
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Exactly, tiers are based initially on usage because it's easy. The goal of tiers is not to make metagames based on usage, though. So Clefable could start out in OU and be bumped down to UU due to balancing.

...also, unless official tier lists have been released, Lando is OU, not BL because he was Uber in Gen V and hasn't been banned in this Gen.
 
Kriptini said:
From Smogon's philosophy:



As you can see, the goal of tiers is to place Pokemon based on power. Initially, Pokemon are placed based on usage, but that's only because higher-used Pokemon are generally the more powerful ones. But the reason why suspect tests happen is because a Pokemon might be too strong/weak for its placement despite its usage statistics. Consider Charizard for example: he has always seen a fair share of OU usage in Gen V. So why is he NU and not OU? Because tiers are based on power, not usage.



Exactly, tiers are based initially on usage because it's easy. The goal of tiers is not to make metagames based on usage, though. So Clefable could start out in OU and be bumped down to UU due to balancing.

...also, unless official tier lists have been released, Lando is OU, not BL because he was Uber in Gen V and hasn't been banned in this Gen.
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You're running circles of semantics here.

Bottom line: regardless of power, even if it is presumed and shown that Pokemon will rise, fall, or sit in a tier based on their innate power, where they sit in usage is the only means we use to categorize them in our tiers.

Case in point, finncent1 is right, Clefable is placed in the OU tier because its 4.432% in usage right now.
 
Kriptini said:
From Smogon's philosophy:



As you can see, the goal of tiers is to place Pokemon based on power. Initially, Pokemon are placed based on usage, but that's only because higher-used Pokemon are generally the more powerful ones. But the reason why suspect tests happen is because a Pokemon might be too strong/weak for its placement despite its usage statistics. Consider Charizard for example: he has always seen a fair share of OU usage in Gen V. So why is he NU and not OU? Because tiers are based on power, not usage.



Exactly, tiers are based initially on usage because it's easy. The goal of tiers is not to make metagames based on usage, though. So Clefable could start out in OU and be bumped down to UU due to balancing.

...also, unless official tier lists have been released, Lando is OU, not BL because he was Uber in Gen V and hasn't been banned in this Gen.
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Lando is BL, as it only has 2.94% usage in OU, sending it to UU. However, the UU community instantly deemed it overpowered. Now it's BL, along with 12 other OP pokemon and 3 OP items. So yes, balancing can send pokemon up or down tiers, but the starting tier is just usage. Most people think the OU pokemon in the lower slots are worse than UU pokemon in the top slots, but in the end Smeargle, Galvantula, and Donphan are still OU, Landorus and Terrakion are BL, and Keldeo and Celebi are UU.
 
Tiers are based on usage. Charizard never made the usage cutoff of ~3.41%. Therefore it was not OU last generation.

Bans are an exception to the rule and the only instance where power level (if it can be called that) is used directly in tiering.
 
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