I was thinking stall-based balance like subperior democracy. Aggron does need spikes support, so it only seems fitting to make it stall related. Locopoke's stall team for st5 utilized a choice bander, so why can't we?
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Community Create-A-Team #2: Aggron (OU)
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Great idea man, just one problem. While having a semistall team utilizing a CB isn't particularly hard, what would be the pokemon setting up spikes, as it will be hard to find one that will fit with the ultimate goal of the team.
Boy i'm tired of typing paragraphs. I'll make this as strait to point as possible, since you're clearly lacking guts to say i'm right.
1. Through out the team, Aggron isn't the only Pokemon that attracts Steel types to switch in. Celebi attracts Magnezone, Heatran, Metagross. Celebi uses Thunder Wave.
2. I love how you're having all these Steels matched up against Aggron one on one without the paralysis. What argument are you trying to make when you don't even have what i'm presenting in full effect? If all those Steels which you've JUST named are paralyzed, Aggron outspeeds, 2hko's all but one, maybe two(Metagross..Jirachi) and them switching in is pretty much null.
3. "Aggron doesn't really need paralysis support against the pokemon you listed, as if they switch in, they die."
Ok What the hell is this? This doesnt' even deserve a response but, who switches Infernape, Azelf and others into an Aggron? Be real now, what exactly are you trying to argue.
Lastly
"You need to think of the situations, rather than pulling some crap theorymon out of your ass."
The funny part about this was, you're the one not presenting situations. All you're saying is i won't paralysis Steels? What Pokemon with paralysis support would i even switch into a Steel? Switching Celebi into a Metagross? Maybe Rotom i can understand, but do you realize some Steels actually switch into Rotom, like a Heatran? The more and more you rant, the more you just keep repeating yourself and annoying. Find a legit argument because all you're doing is wasting everyone's time. No one has agreed to your Zapdos proposal, and i've read abotu 3 suggestions to paralysis support. You do realized Aggron isn't the one paralyzing people, it's the OTHER Pokemon on the team.
I'm no longer responding to your comments, i mean your name says it all. Later man, you make no sense and are clearly wasting my energy.
Roserade seems a viable option, setting up spikes, crippling a poke with sleep, and hitting hard with leaf storm. Or we could go with forretress or skarmory.
Edit: LOL at "your name says it all" that made me chuckle.
Edit: LOL at "your name says it all" that made me chuckle.
Ok as much i don't like this "Spikes" support team, i'm willing to listen and welcome with open arms, but i think it will fail. All of the good Spikers are Steels, all of which are defensive. The team will be too slow and not have enough offense to compete. Comparing Aggron to LeBron James in the team, and you see how far Lebron gets when he is the one man show. This team needs some offense with some paralysis support for defense which can help the star if the team.
since Aggron is best at breaking stalls, I'm pretty sure he'd do best on a team is great offensively, but somewhat weak towards stall. something like Electivire would be great (Aggron, gyarados, vire? weaknesses are covered) because while he might get walled, he can still hit everything else very well, while aggron can break the walls (or at least break something every time a wall comes in).
It doesn't have to be Electivire, but you get the point, good pokemon with problems vs walls/stall. Because of this I don't think he'd do well on a stall team. The CBer on locopokes stall team had a specific target, it was suppoed to come in, snipe lucario/whatever ice weak pokemon and get out. Aggron doesn't work like that, he's more like a cannon, comes in when he can and blows a hole in something and lets the little guys do the rest.
also, he doesn't need spikes support, toxic spikes help a lot, but spikes don't give him many new OHKOs since he already kills almost everything with just stealth rock
It doesn't have to be Electivire, but you get the point, good pokemon with problems vs walls/stall. Because of this I don't think he'd do well on a stall team. The CBer on locopokes stall team had a specific target, it was suppoed to come in, snipe lucario/whatever ice weak pokemon and get out. Aggron doesn't work like that, he's more like a cannon, comes in when he can and blows a hole in something and lets the little guys do the rest.
also, he doesn't need spikes support, toxic spikes help a lot, but spikes don't give him many new OHKOs since he already kills almost everything with just stealth rock
Bulkyoffence is likely the best, Since Aggron's defences are good/ok with "great" attack stat. And other bulky offence pokemon include: Gyarados. A great partner. But one of the biggest problems would be that you NEED a huge scizor counter. Since aggron can't beat Scizor 1 vs 1 except maybe if Leichi berry is active, Aggron's got a sub up AND scizor has taken atleast 50% damage. Which is unlikely.
Actually, Roserade, Olmastar (on a sandstorm team), and Tentacruel (for Toxic Spikes) are all good, non-steel options. (If you say Olmastar is bad, he is bad, but only on teams WITHOUT RAIN DANCE OR SANDSTORM. The SpD/Spe boost he gets are just to much.)
But you're right, we can't rely on Spikes and T-Spikes to do our dirty work. We need to focus on having Aggron destroying the opposition, and that means we need a sure-fire way to rid our opponents of steels. (Babiritar should be on the team, for instance, just to rid us of Scizor.) I nominate Babiritar, and... um... something else. (Slowbro could be useful to switch in and kill Steels, though).
CB Head Smash (hell, Stone Plate Head Smash) OHKOs 248/0 Scizor 100% of the time after SR.
According to the stats from September, at least 66.9% of all Scizor used ran a Speed lower than what Aggron runs.
So I have no idea what you're saying.
I'm talking 'bout the RP set. But yeah, CB set is better ;)
Ok, I think it is time to start the Bolded Voting! Please post what style of team you would think the team would function best as, and why you think so.
Please keep all posts after this post to only bolded votes. The voting will end tonight at 8 PST, so take your time in thinking over what you think would be best to use.
Please keep all posts after this post to only bolded votes. The voting will end tonight at 8 PST, so take your time in thinking over what you think would be best to use.
Stall-based balance for the reasons I stated previously.
Bulky Offense
In a Bulky Offense team, you're seeing Pokemon with not only the ability to dish out hits, but also to take them and keep going. Aggron (with enough support in the Sp.D area) fits this to a T. With Light Screen or Sandstorm, and I've found both to be effective, it can really take hits that aren't STAB and manage to dish out 2-3 KOs, plenty for a mid-late game sweeper.
In a Bulky Offense team, you're seeing Pokemon with not only the ability to dish out hits, but also to take them and keep going. Aggron (with enough support in the Sp.D area) fits this to a T. With Light Screen or Sandstorm, and I've found both to be effective, it can really take hits that aren't STAB and manage to dish out 2-3 KOs, plenty for a mid-late game sweeper.
Bulky Offense
Though I wouldn't mind doing a balanced/stall-based team, I feel that CB Aggron would benefit a bulky offensive team the most. Its CB boosted STAB Head Smash would certainly dent walls to open up sweeps, and the switching and type resistances bulky offensive teams have would help give Aggron switch-in opportunities and deal damage to the opposing team more often.
Though I wouldn't mind doing a balanced/stall-based team, I feel that CB Aggron would benefit a bulky offensive team the most. Its CB boosted STAB Head Smash would certainly dent walls to open up sweeps, and the switching and type resistances bulky offensive teams have would help give Aggron switch-in opportunities and deal damage to the opposing team more often.
Bulky Offense
stall doesn't use aggron as anything more than a tack on, Bulky Offense gives him a better purpose on the team
stall doesn't use aggron as anything more than a tack on, Bulky Offense gives him a better purpose on the team
Bulky Offense
Seeing how Aggron is more of a transition pokemon not only by playstyle, but also as a pivot (likes switching into Salamence, then you can switch to a ground immunity), I think we need a team that can handle the hits from resisted attacks. Bulky offense, with pokemon like Salamence, Gyarados, Latias, and Rotom-A, fit the bill nicely.
Seeing how Aggron is more of a transition pokemon not only by playstyle, but also as a pivot (likes switching into Salamence, then you can switch to a ground immunity), I think we need a team that can handle the hits from resisted attacks. Bulky offense, with pokemon like Salamence, Gyarados, Latias, and Rotom-A, fit the bill nicely.
Stall-Based Balance
The kind of support Aggron likes goes perfect with stall. Spikes and SR to wear down switch-ins, and Toxic Spikes takes care of Bulky Grounds. Aggron in a sandstorm has pretty decent defenses, letting him switch in more often, and the teammates Aggron wants are going to be on the bulky end. Aggron also likes paralysis support and/or speed passing (I'm playtesting RP Gliscor, as no one would think of using fighting or ground moves on him, watch out for surf though).
The kind of support Aggron likes goes perfect with stall. Spikes and SR to wear down switch-ins, and Toxic Spikes takes care of Bulky Grounds. Aggron in a sandstorm has pretty decent defenses, letting him switch in more often, and the teammates Aggron wants are going to be on the bulky end. Aggron also likes paralysis support and/or speed passing (I'm playtesting RP Gliscor, as no one would think of using fighting or ground moves on him, watch out for surf though).
BULKY OFFENSE
Well I think the style of this team should be a balanced offensive team. Yeah something like a bulky offensive team. That imo seems like a better choice for a team that is supporting Aggron. Stall would be virtually pathetic if you are going to use a choice banded pokemon like that.
So umm yeah Bulky Offensive team
Well I think the style of this team should be a balanced offensive team. Yeah something like a bulky offensive team. That imo seems like a better choice for a team that is supporting Aggron. Stall would be virtually pathetic if you are going to use a choice banded pokemon like that.
So umm yeah Bulky Offensive team
Hippowdon
Celebi
Rotom(form doesn't matter, while Grass looks the coolest though)
Latias/Starmie/Gyarados
Heatran
Aggron
Celebi
Rotom(form doesn't matter, while Grass looks the coolest though)
Latias/Starmie/Gyarados
Heatran
Aggron
Bulky Offense
Starmie or Celebi i think will do this team well, maybe CM Celebi for a bit of variety. Maybe CM Rachi, and Gyara/Mence might work as well. Bulkyroost mence looks sexy.
Starmie or Celebi i think will do this team well, maybe CM Celebi for a bit of variety. Maybe CM Rachi, and Gyara/Mence might work as well. Bulkyroost mence looks sexy.
