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[theotherguytm]

What is the obsession with Guts breakers and priority in this thread?
No Guts (Kerfluffle) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpA / 88 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect
- Parting Shot
Is Bulky Kerfluffle a thing? It is now. The Speed is for Timid Hydreigon, the Spa is a dump.
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Kerfluffle: 259-305 (69.6 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 252 HP / 136 Def Kerfluffle: 55-66 (14.7 - 17.7%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
Kerfluffle HP:372 Yep, lives with 1HP again. Leftovers recovery cancels Stealth Rock damage without needing Protect. Though you can rework the EVs to need Protect so you do more damage etc, it's late where I am.
32 SpA Kerfluffle Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 336-396 (95.7 - 112.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
This set is surprisingly legit-feeling. Parting Shotting off Wishes sounds nice as hell.
EDIT:

Just for fun

Did it anyway, the alternate spread outruns the Swords of Justice.
EVs: 244 HP / 80 Def / 16 SpA / 168 Spe
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Facade (140 BP) vs. 244 HP / 80 Def Kerfluffle: 274-323 (74 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Mach Punch vs. 244 HP / 80 Def Kerfluffle: 59-69 (15.9 - 18.6%) -- possible 8HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Kerfluffle HP:370, Leftovers recovery 23 HP
323-23+69=369
16 SpA Kerfluffle Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Conkeldurr: 332-392 (94.5 - 111.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and burn damage

 

[CharSiuEmboar]

They stronk

Corviknight @ Leftovers
Careful Nature
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
- Brave Bird
- Bulk Up
- Roost
- Taunt

 

[JayHeaven]

Cyclohm @ Leftovers
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Slack Off
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam

+6 0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Cyclohm: 147-174 (35 - 41.5%) -- 76% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
omegalul

0 SpA Cyclohm Discharge vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 152-182 (38 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

 

[Agile Turtle]

Sylveon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Shadow Ball
- Mystical Fire

0 SpA Cyclohm Discharge vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon: 76-91 (19.2 - 23%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Cyclohm: 684-806 (163.2 - 192.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[theotherguytm]

Cyclohm @ Leftovers
Ability: Static
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Slack Off
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam

+6 0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Cyclohm: 147-174 (35 - 41.5%) -- 76% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
omegalul

0 SpA Cyclohm Discharge vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 152-182 (38 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

Sorry, this one is YUCK.
Corviknight pretty comfortably PP stalls Discharge barring parahax, then Flamethrower:
0 SpA Cyclohm Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 114-136 (28.5 - 34%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Doesn't do enough to burn through Corv's remaining Roosts.
0 SpA Cyclohm Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 57-68 (14.2 - 17%) -- possible 8HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Once Discharge is out of PP, Corviknight uses Taunt to stop Cyclohm healing and chips it to death.

 

[JayHeaven]

Sorry, this one is YUCK.
Corviknight pretty comfortably PP stalls Discharge barring parahax, then Flamethrower:
0 SpA Cyclohm Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 114-136 (28.5 - 34%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Doesn't do enough to burn through Corv's remaining Roosts.
0 SpA Cyclohm Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 57-68 (14.2 - 17%) -- possible 8HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Once Discharge is out of PP, Corviknight uses Taunt to stop Cyclohm healing and chips it to death.

the thing is you cant reliably set up and cyclohm outspeeds and paralysis will more than likely happen because of static and discharge. I wouldn't say it comfortably PP stalls.

 

[theotherguytm]

the thing is you cant reliably set up and cyclohm outspeeds and paralysis will more than likely happen because of static and discharge. I wouldn't say it comfortably PP stalls.

It doesn't need to setup, it just needs to stall. Corv is more than capable of PP stalling moves that 2HKO it. Discharge 3HKOs. Corv only needs 2 Roosts every 3 turns to live, so a 1/3 para trigger rate is fine for it (and para triggers 1/4). Oh, and every para trigger is a PP saved in the PP war, so para actually helps it PP stall unless major hax.

 

[theotherguytm]

Anyway, to get this thread going again:
Caribolt @ Life Orb
Ability: Galvanize
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Boomburst
- Horn Leech
- Volt Switch
- Knock Off
Mixed Caribolt has no issues switching in on Corv, even at +1, and OHKOs with Boomburst.
252 SpA Life Orb Galvanize Caribolt Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 406-478 (101.5 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Caribolt: 135-160 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 0 Atk Corviknight Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Caribolt: 204-240 (66 - 77.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock

 

[SunMYSER]

Jumbao @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drought
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Solar Beam
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Healing Wish

252 SpA Jumbao Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Caribolt: 202-238 (65.3 - 77%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Galvanize Caribolt Boomburst vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jumbao: 121-143 (37.2 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 Atk Life Orb Caribolt Horn Leech vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jumbao: 57-68 (17.5 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
4 Atk Life Orb Caribolt Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jumbao: 49-58 (15 - 17.8%) -- possible 6HKO

 

[theotherguytm]

Thanks for putting Sun up for me!
Venusaur @ Life Orb
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Growth
- Weather Ball
- Sludge Bomb
- Solar Beam
252 SpA Jumbao Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur: 75-88 (24.9 - 29.2%) -- 0% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Jumbao Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur: 85-100 (28.2 - 33.2%) -- 96% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Solar Beam obviously does nothing.
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jumbao: 676-801 (208 - 246.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jumbao in Sun: 377-445 (116 - 136.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Remember to account for Growth on the switch-in :-).

 

[JayHeaven]

Heh, I take that sun to my side and surprise you with Lum Berry! It is a good thing you don't run Sleep Powder. It doesn't bother me anyways.
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Charizard @ Lum Berry
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Air Slash
- Protect
- Ancient Power

252+ SpA Solar Power Charizard Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur in Sun: 1254-1476 (809 - 952.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard: 55-66 (18.5 - 22.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Solar Power damage
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Charizard in Sun: 30-35 (10.1 - 11.7%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Solar Power damage

the calcs are incorrect but I am pretty sure Charizard does switch in and not get ohkoed.

 

[Hisuian Dylan]

the calcs are incorrect but I am pretty sure Charizard does switch in and not get ohkoed.

That was my bad. I calculated Charizard at lvl 100 and Venu at lvl 50 (default).

Here is the newest version (bulk for the win):

Charizard @ Charcoal
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Air Slash
- Protect
- Ancient Power

252 SpA Solar Power Charizard Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur in Sun: 582-686 (193.3 - 227.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 109-129 (36.5 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Solar Power damage

 

[theotherguytm]

That was my bad. I calculated Charizard at lvl 100 and Venu at lvl 50 (default).

Here is the newest version (bulk for the win):
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Charizard @ Charcoal
Ability: Solar Power
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Air Slash
- Protect
- Ancient Power

252 SpA Solar Power Charizard Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Venusaur in Sun: 582-686 (193.3 - 227.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 109-129 (36.5 - 43.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Solar Power damage

Big YUCK sadly. Why are you running Charcoal???
252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 142-168 (47.6 - 56.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock and Solar Power damage
Moral: Always calc with Rocks up. Also:

Remember to account for Growth on the switch-in :-).

+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 252+ SpD Charizard: 281-331 (94.2 - 111%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Solar Power damage
...Not even to mention SpeDef Charizard is a terrible set. Why are you running Protect?

 

[SunMYSER]

So i think this counters both Charizard and Venusaur at +2 in the sun. This set is a bit low ladder, but it'll get the job done.

Pajantom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Comatose
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Spirit Shackle
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Ice Punch

+2 252+ SpA Life Orb Venusaur Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Pajantom: 104-122 (27.9 - 32.7%) -- 88.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock

252 SpA Charcoal Solar Power Charizard Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Pajantom in Sun: 78-93 (20.9 - 25%) -- 96.3% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock

0 Atk Pajantom Ice Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Venusaur: 162-192 (53.8 - 63.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0+ Atk Pajantom Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Charizard: 204-240 (68.4 - 80.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Pokemon guy]

This Ferrothorn counters Assult Vest Pajantom

Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Knock Off
- Body Press
- Leech Seed
- Spikes

4 Atk Pajantom Spirit Shackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 67-79 (19 - 22.4%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

4 Atk Pajantom Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 56-66 (15.9 - 18.7%) -- possible 7HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Ferrothorn Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Pajantom: 176-208 (47.3 - 55.9%) -- 78.5% chance to 2HKO

 

[SunMYSER]

Salazzle @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Corrosion
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Sludge Wave
- Fire Blast
- Toxic

0 Atk Ferrothorn Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salazzle: 100-118 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Fire blast does about what youd expect.

 

[theotherguytm]

I could just post Krillowatt, but where's the fun in that?
Smokomodo @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Gunk Shot
- Earthquake
- Mach Punch
252 SpA Salazzle Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Smokomodo: 98-116 (30.9 - 36.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Salazzle Fire Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Smokomodo: 196-231 (61.8 - 72.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Smokomodo Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salazzle: 1191-1404 (429.9 - 506.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[Pokemon guy]

Pelipper @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Scald
- Roost
- Ice Beam

252+ Atk Smokomodo Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 87-103 (26.8 - 31.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Smokomodo Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper in Rain: 32-38 (9.8 - 11.7%) -- possible 9HKO

4 SpA Pelipper Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Smokomodo in Rain: 612-724 (193 - 228.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[theotherguytm]

Pelipper @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hurricane
- Scald
- Roost
- Ice Beam

252+ Atk Smokomodo Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 87-103 (26.8 - 31.7%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252+ Atk Smokomodo Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper in Rain: 32-38 (9.8 - 11.7%) -- possible 9HKO

4 SpA Pelipper Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Smokomodo in Rain: 612-724 (193 - 228.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This is a valid counter, but I'm going to post the full calcs.
For starters, Smoko has a Life Orb. Secondly, Gunk Shot has a 30% chance to poison.
252 Atk Life Orb Smokomodo Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 113-134 (34.8 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after poison damage if poisoned on switch-in (30% chance).
252 Atk Life Orb Smokomodo Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 113-134 (34.8 - 41.3%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO after poison damage if poisoned by second Gunk Shot (Smoko is faster, 21% chance)
252 Atk Life Orb Smokomodo Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 113-134 (34.8 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO if not poisoned (49% chance)
Add in Gunk Shot's 80% accuracy, and the odds of Pelipper winning is above 50%, which makes it a valid counter. So be sure to remember items and secondary effects when calcing (especially if the target will get multiple attacks)!

 

[SunMYSER]

Krilowatt @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Earth Power

252 SpA Life Orb Krilowatt Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Pelipper: 754-894 (232.7 - 275.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 SpA Pelipper Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Krilowatt in Rain: 80-94 (18 - 21.2%) -- possible 5HKO

 

[snake]

Kyurem @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Freeze-Dry
- Draco Meteor
- Ice Beam
- Earth Power

252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Freeze-Dry vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Krilowatt: 438-516 (98.8 - 116.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Life Orb Krilowatt Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem: 103-122 (26.3 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

 

[Yay61]

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Darkest Lariat
- Rest

252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Draco Meteor over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Snorlax: 322-380 (61.4 - 72.5%) -- not a KO
252 SpA Choice Specs Kyurem Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Snorlax: 100-118 (19 - 22.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

0 Atk Snorlax Body Slam vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Kyurem: 109-129 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

Snorlax can also easily curse and rest

 

[SunMYSER]

Naviathan @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Facade
- Icicle Crash

+1 252 Atk Guts Naviathan Facade (140 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 4 Def Snorlax: 288-339 (54.9 - 64.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

+1 0 Atk Snorlax Darkest Lariat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Naviathan: 108-128 (31.1 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after burn damage

 

[Pokemon guy]

Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Scald
- Soak
- Recover
- Toxic

252 Atk Guts Naviathan Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 122-144 (38.8 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

4 SpA Pyukumuku Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Naviathan: 25-30 (7.2 - 8.6%) -- guaranteed 8HKO after burn damage

 

[SunMYSER]

Pyukumuku @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
- Scald
- Soak
- Recover
- Toxic

252 Atk Guts Naviathan Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 122-144 (38.8 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

4 SpA Pyukumuku Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Naviathan: 25-30 (7.2 - 8.6%) -- guaranteed 8HKO after burn damage

Pyukumuku doesnt get scald my dude