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Yeah thats true a boosting move in OU, and the way Scolipede is, might not be suitable cause of the way it gets killed. And so many ground types< and i think it is out classed by Drapion as well
 
First you would want to make sure your HP EVs give you a good lefties number (something divisible by 16, then add 1). Next, take SD out and give it some coverage move.

Still, Scolipede has better options.
 
This Dragonite on a Rain Dance team

Dragonite
Naive
EVs: 252 Speed/212 SpA/40 Att
-Outrage
-Hurricane
-Thunder
-Draco Meteor

Outrage is for other Dragons if youve already had to use a DM and took a SpA drop, Hurricane for a 100 Accurate STAB Special Flying Attack for great coverage and damaging most of the meta for at least neutral damage and obliterating Conkelduur. Thunder gets 91% Accuracy in the rain and provides more coverage for bulky waters and of course the DM and Outrage for outrageous STAB and power

You can also opt for ExtremeSpeed too for Priority
 
OK i am gonna cook up something and use your critizism to make a good set, I am also thiking about a dragon tail choice banded gachomp, good for late sweeping but i'll will foucs on this first.
 
jle1076 said:
This Dragonite on a Rain Dance team

Dragonite
Naive
EVs: 252 Speed/212 SpA/40 Att
-Outrage
-Hurricane
-Thunder
-Draco Meteor

Outrage is for other Dragons if youve already had to use a DM and took a SpA drop, Hurricane for a 100 Accurate STAB Special Flying Attack for great coverage and damaging most of the meta for at least neutral damage and obliterating Conkelduur. Thunder gets 91% Accuracy in the rain and provides more coverage for bulky waters and of course the DM and Outrage for outrageous STAB and power

You can also opt for ExtremeSpeed too for Priority
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thunder gets 100% accuracy in the rain the 91% accuracy is probably the galvantula's thunder(compound eyes)...also what item are you using if you are using(life orb)?...
consider roost as an option in conjuction with multiscale to wall some hits(even with no defensive investment) i don't think thunder is necessary when you have good coverage with hurricane and d-meteor/outrage you are still walled by steel types...
 
jle1076 said:
This Dragonite on a Rain Dance team

Dragonite
Naive
EVs: 252 Speed/212 SpA/40 Att
-Outrage
-Hurricane
-Thunder
-Draco Meteor
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I used that team but with Surf instead of Outrage going solely special ("walled by blissey!" shut up, there are pokes that make her cry in rain). However Extremespeed wasn't a bad idea.
 
I havent ever lol i barely even see Dragonite anymore as 19/20 times hes Outclassed by MixMence/Garchomp in sand and Timid specs Hydreigon lol

So youve seen a mixed/naive/exact set/rain dance abusing Dragonite a few times? lol

Ive never seen it on a rain team
 
What's with all the 'lol's

Dragonite is popular this generation and finally has enough to make him not a worse Mence/Garchomp what are you going on about. Also, Dragonite is almost always on a rain team to abuse Hurricane/Thunder and Multi-Scale.
 
Dragonite, although not a super consistently seen abuser of rain, definitely has been a popular choice on rain teams, seen running Hurricane and Thunder, and rounding off the build with a surf and outrage or a draco meteor in there... Definitely not so much creative, as its the basic rain dance Dragonite.
 
hey I never said it was a good abuser; I simply said it was common

(on a side note, the standard set should run a method of killing tar, which kicks its ass otherwise)

and actually multiscale DD Roostnite is far more fearsome to me than Garchomp. Same goes for mence.
 
Breludicolo said:
hey I never said it was a good abuser; I simply said it was common

(on a side note, the standard set should run a method of killing tar, which kicks its ass otherwise)

and actually multiscale DD Roostnite is far more fearsome to me than Garchomp. Same goes for mence.
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Dragonite with Brick Break isn't uncommon. In fact, if you've seen enough Dragonite then nothing is uncommon since it learns everything under the sun, and several things above it.
 
Toxic stalling lileep:
Lileep
Bold/Calm/Sassy/Relaxed nature
EV's-252 HP/252 SpD or Def depending on nature
Item-Eviolite
Ability-Suction Cups or Storm Drain

Moves
-Stealth Rock/Stockpile (note that stealth rock and recover are illegal if using storm drain)
-Toxic/Stockpile
-Leech Seed
-Recover/Rest (note that stealth rock and recover are illegal if using storm drain)

This pokemon is just AWESOME. With eviolite, he can achieve a SpD stat of 450 or a Def stat of 417 (if I did the math correctly)! He can't be phazed away, or he can absorb water attacks. Both are useful abilities, so take your pick. Unfortunately, stealth rock and recover are illegal on the same set if you're using storm drain. This thing can deal with a large number of walls (especially bulky water types) in the metagame through toxic and leech seed stalling. If hydration abusing pokemon such as vaporeon are an issue, a combination of stockpile and leech seed stalling will eventually prevail. Recover and leech seed are your main recovery moves, but if status moves are an issue rest is always an option. You should use a careful or an impish nature to get the best special defense or defense possible. You can also use a sassy or relaxed nature if you'd like to use him on a trick room team.

Edit: I just noticed that this thing actually has higher base special attack than attack, so use a calm or bold nature instead. Plus, if you're running storm drain, the special attack boost is always welcome. This thing is used for walling in general, but if you would like to use an attack he also gets earth power, grass knot, and ancientpower.
 
didn't I already say on the eviolite thread that lileep is kind of crappy to use since it can't do damage?

you seem to think that it's attached to giant flamethrowers that will scorch any incoming ferrothorn...
 
A Calm or Bold Nature should always be used on non-attacking Lileep, since it reduces Confusion damage.
 
Not sure if this has been posted but....

Sawk @ Salac Berry
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Sturdy
252 Atk, 252 SpD


Endure
Bulk up/ Work up
Reversal
Payback

Basically you buff the first round, Opponent attempts a sweep, Sturdy saves you, If you still have HP, Endure to 1, Salac Kicks in, Reversal on home, Payback is for those Ghost types/ Faster pokes like Starmie
 
@EtherDrive

Lucario does the exact same set except better, with more speed, Swords Dance, and Crunch. And even then, it's a terrible idea thanks to priority moves being so common this gen (Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, etc.). Sadly, Reversal/Flail sets fail horribly. :( And I used to like them in gen 3. In addition, even with a Salac boost, Sawk is still terribly slow, being revenge killed by every scarfer on the planet. But I'll give you the Luc set anyway.

Lucario @ Salac Berry
Jolly Nature
252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Swords Dance
Endure
Reversal
Crunch

You SD on a switch, use endure to activate the Salac Berry, and sweep with STAB Reversal and Crunch for ghosts. Good luck trying this, because it probably will never work. (Scizor says hi)
 
Breludicolo said:
didn't I already say on the eviolite thread that lileep is kind of crappy to use since it can't do damage?

you seem to think that it's attached to giant flamethrowers that will scorch any incoming ferrothorn...
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Yeah, and this guy follows everything you say and read every post in that thread. Really, you need an uber chill pill.
 
EtherDrive said:
Well If Custap Berry is available in dream world then maybe These sets can become viable again? :o
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Sorry for the double post, but as for this question, this would not work. Why? Well, this is what would happen.

Luc uses Swords Dance, opponent switches to something
Luc uses Endure, hes brought down to 1 hp
Luc uses Reversal on the opponents pokemon, and wastes the Custap Berry
Opponent switches in Conkeldurr and uses Mach Punch

As you can see, a Custap would not work because it would be wasted on your opponent's first switch in. Then a priority user can revenge the reversal user after the Custap has been used.

@Ericcc

I guess thats true, so whatever we're saying is just hypothetical for now.
 
Ericcc said:
I thought pinch berries haven't been released
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@ Above thats sorta situational :/

I know. But im hoping in the future They are so I can Run....


Gigalith @ Custap Berry
Nature: Brave
Ability: Sturdy
252 Atk/ 252 Def

Stealth Rock
Stone Edge
EQ
Explosion.

I already have the Brave Roggenrola with 30 Atk IV.... Just need the berry for a Guaranteed Wild Card KO.
 
EtherDrive said:
@ Above thats sorta situational :/
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Actually, no thats not situational. That will happen EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to use a Custap Berry on a Reversal set. I guess if you eliminated every single priority user or scarfer on your opponent's team, then it could work (but how often does that happen?).

However, a Gigalith, Forretress, or stuff like that can use Custaps very effectively. Pretty much any pokemon with sturdy can guarantee 2 turns to do whatever you want with a Custap, which is pretty nice.

One more thing. Why would you use Brave over Adamant? Also, those 252 EVs are better used in HP thanks to his already gigantic Defense.
 
Choiced Jellicent is legit on rain teams:

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Water Spout
move 2: Surf / Hydro Pump
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Hidden Power [Electric] / Ice Beam
item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
ability: Water Absorb
nature: Timid / Modest
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

Choice Scarf functions as a revenge killer for things like DD Scrafty and Nasty Plot Thundurus, while Choice Specs is a monstrous hole puncher (max power Water Spout 2HKOs Bold Blissey after Stealth Rock).

On Choice Specs, consider a spread of 152 HP / 252 SpA / 104 Spe Modest to outspeed most Skarmory and opposing Jellicent.
 
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